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Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« on: August 22, 2020, 04:55:58 PM »
His western mps pulling no punches.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/news/politics/tangatanga-mps-blame-uhuru-for-graft-say-ruto-ideal-2022-choice-1923618

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2020, 05:10:32 PM »
He doesn't have it in him to take on the tough and thankless job of opposition. Kalenjin MPs and population want nothing but POWER. If ruto can't deliver it they will go back to farming and wait for another election or opportunity. Ruto is carrying the burden Raila carried in 2007 and 2013. Raila told BBC that after he lost in 2013 he felt so relieved like a big burden has been lifted off his shoulder. I was in Kenya and I remember seeing a sweaty Raila conceed to 2013 elections. He seems to be going through the motions and wanted to get the hell out of the way. He even left kenya for boston where he stayed for about a year. Opposition work and your tribe expectations is a hard burden to bear

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2020, 05:20:45 PM »
Opposition is easiest job. Just make noise,criticize and find fault. Ruto is excellent there. Governing is hardwork but it rewards. Opposition doesn't pay. Ruto is just having his cake and eating. He already stole enough to last many lifetime - now he is cleaning himself - by laying all the blame on Uhuru and deep state - as he prepares to take another stab at the eating table.

Raila lacks the strategic and tactical maneuvers to translate his popularity to power.

Give Ruto a half a chance - and he takes it - scores. In 2022 - he has a clear goal - don't expect him to miss it.

Ruto knows he has to play opposition politics for 2yrs - and tie Raila to Jubilee (like they did in NARA) - and then come in on a clean slate. It all propaganda - we were doing well until handshake - and tie it up to corona.

He doesn't have it in him to take on the tough and thankless job of opposition. Kalenjin MPs and population want nothing but POWER. If ruto can't deliver it they will go back to farming and wait for another election or opportunity. Ruto is carrying the burden Raila carried in 2007 and 2013. Raila told BBC that after he lost in 2013 he felt so relieved like a big burden has been lifted off his shoulder. I was in Kenya and I remember seeing a sweaty Raila conceed to 2013 elections. He seems to be going through the motions and wanted to get the hell out of the way. He even left kenya for boston where he stayed for about a year. Opposition work and your tribe expectations is a hard burden to bear

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2020, 06:04:39 PM »
Nothing new here,they have been supporting Mobutu ever since

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2020, 06:17:13 PM »
Yeah ruto can win that way but with a hostile state and big chunk of population he won't easily score. Uhuru know it will be fatal to let ruto win. The only way to power for ruto is by a coup. Democracy he will be cheated.

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2020, 06:20:13 PM »
Raila now dry-cleaning the entire gov. Look like Raila has decided to now jump with both legs into Jubilee.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/news/politics/covid-19-scandal-raila-s-party-criticises-ruto-media-coverage-1923686


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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2020, 09:38:36 PM »
He doesn't have it in him to take on the tough and thankless job of opposition. Kalenjin MPs and population want nothing but POWER. If ruto can't deliver it they will go back to farming and wait for another election or opportunity. Ruto is carrying the burden Raila carried in 2007 and 2013. Raila told BBC that after he lost in 2013 he felt so relieved like a big burden has been lifted off his shoulder. I was in Kenya and I remember seeing a sweaty Raila conceed to 2013 elections. He seems to be going through the motions and wanted to get the hell out of the way. He even left kenya for boston where he stayed for about a year. Opposition work and your tribe expectations is a hard burden to bear

Ruto is where he was when he left Kibakis Government in 2012, detach from current Govt and its ill and campaign as an outsider with new ideas . Kenyans now see the true picture , that Uhurus Government is corrupt and now they can squarwely point out who is to take the responsibility .
NYS scandal was all about 700 Million or there about . COVID19 Funds scandal is a about 9Billion similar to Goldberg scandal.

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2020, 09:43:42 PM »
Nothing new here,they have been supporting Mobutu ever since

They are controlling the narrative , thats the difference if you cant see

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2020, 10:05:17 PM »
Yeah ruto can win that way but with a hostile state and big chunk of population he won't easily score. Uhuru know it will be fatal to let ruto win. The only way to power for ruto is by a coup. Democracy he will be cheated.

The premise of you argument is wrong , as you probably witnessed in 2002 and 2013 a hostile state does change once it realizes change is coming. By end  2002 Sally Kosgei had told her team to prepare for transition of power . The powers that be in Cabinet know they will not be part of the next Government , you have Matiangi and  Kibichos gunning for politics in 2022 elections .Joseph Kinyua is unlike before delagating most of his duties to Nzioka Waita and Njee Muturi .
A big chuck of population actually supports him . If he didnt have that support ODM wouldnt be throwing mud at him . ask your self why is ODM fascinated with Ruto and not Kalonzo or Mudavadi or Wetangula  or Peter Kenneth ?
 

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2020, 10:16:19 PM »
The only way Mobutu can become president is if he murders his boss.Kalonzo at some point was topping opinion polls in run up to 2007 elections.Wait till rubber meets road.Too early.

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2020, 11:23:07 PM »
Yeah ruto can win that way but with a hostile state and big chunk of population he won't easily score. Uhuru know it will be fatal to let ruto win. The only way to power for ruto is by a coup. Democracy he will be cheated.

The premise of you argument is wrong , as you probably witnessed in 2002 and 2013 a hostile state does change once it realizes change is coming. By end  2002 Sally Kosgei had told her team to prepare for transition of power . The powers that be in Cabinet know they will not be part of the next Government , you have Matiangi and  Kibichos gunning for politics in 2022 elections .Joseph Kinyua is unlike before delagating most of his duties to Nzioka Waita and Njee Muturi .
A big chuck of population actually supports him . If he didnt have that support ODM wouldnt be throwing mud at him . ask your self why is ODM fascinated with Ruto and not Kalonzo or Mudavadi or Wetangula  or Peter Kenneth ?
 

Ruto grassroots support is superficial. Uhuru is the most moderate president..second to kibaki. Ruto can't take on uhuru because uhuru has refused to engage him. Uhuru has totally subdued ruto. Ruto needs uhuru to fight him for relevance. It is like how kalonzo is trying to engage raila but raila is just serving him cold contempt. Bottomline ruto has to create an euphoria against uhuru..it won't happen. Uhuru cabinet too has adopted a strategy of ignoring Tangatanga. They have decided not respond to them or engage them. So ruto is confused he is trying to go directly to Kikuyus peasants but they do not trust him fully so all they do is eat his money and not do much for him. Ruto is done. The other thing Ruto is unacceptable to the west and may even other EA leaders.

He has  no leverage other than his people deciding to kill Kikuyus. However, Kalenjin community may decide that it worthy it to take on Kikuyus.

THE STATE is UNITED TO STOP RUTO. That is all you need to know.

All Uhuru now needs is to start serious out reach in Kalenjin Land. he should appoint, develop and come up with plans that directly target the locals. Once the locals have been appeased ruto won't have leverage. There is also what seems to be mistrust of ruto by young upcoming political elites in RV. They do not want to be out of power again. They did not win because of him they won despite him. Ruto is spending too much of his political capital chasing Central strategy that is an illusion. Raila lost 2013 by betting on Central voters ..Kibaki double crossed him and took the sails out of his candidacy.. Right now Raila is waiting for Uhuru to be become a serious lame-duck and he will disengage with him. You can tell that Raila is keeping his cards close to his chest. He sending everyone on a wild goose chase

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2020, 06:18:48 AM »
Njamba hiyo weed ni ngani

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2020, 06:28:38 AM »
Njamba hiyo weed ni ngani

Rebut it.,it is my assessment  so far

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2020, 06:35:01 AM »
What is there to rebutt when you're pleading for a lamefuvk who should be preparing to retire to do your baba battles.Uhuru should burn the midnight oil to resume the economy especially education and then starts disengagement while he still have some respect.This formulae  and covid corruption has taken off the wind from his sail.The drunkard now routinely speak kikuyu in national forums.The man is now despised by all sides...

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2020, 07:26:37 AM »
What is there to rebutt when you're pleading for a lamefuvk who should be preparing to retire to do your baba battles.Uhuru should burn the midnight oil to resume the economy especially education and then starts disengagement while he still have some respect.This formulae  and covid corruption has taken off the wind from his sail.The drunkard now routinely speak kikuyu in national forums.The man is now despised by all sides...

Uhuru won't worry about a,dead economy. Right now he just appeasing kikuyus. Raila is not desperate to be pork. He can sit out the elections and let someone take over..kenyan debt is spiraling out of control..so i anticipate that imf and world bank will be running kenya from mid next year to elections time. Ruto will face an anxious electorate. He will crucified with the same crufix that will face uhuru on his way out. The damage the duo have done to kenya economy is unconscionable. You too invested on ruto to see the big picture. Kenya is done. Uhuru and ruto are like a newly wed couple that takes inherited land to the bank as collateral to buy a Matatu or invest in rural home with no income to pay it back. Jubilee has made economic mistakes that even moi didn't make.

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2020, 07:36:54 AM »
Ruto has been out since jubilee morphed into a party and so the blame squarely lies on Uhuru and BBI.That is common sense.Yes Kenya will soon be asking for IMF bailout or debt rescheduling.The gov is so broke the wheeler dealers are looting donations.Uhuru big 4 died like huduma number.Ruto is out and Raila is in to take the blame

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2020, 09:54:15 AM »
If Jubilee survived Eurobond 2B dollars - what is 50B covid? Heck Moi pulled through Goldenberg. The most significant thing happening now is shift in Mt Kenya against Ruto. Raila is angling to inherit Uhuru block.
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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2020, 11:52:28 AM »
Quote from: Robina
Raila is angling to inherit Uhuru block.
You need your brain recalibrated, if this is the opium that makes odomos even act more gvt than jubilee, i saw sifuna yesterday defending corruption in gvt that even jubilee hasn't defended against, sorry to say but you people will be manipulated for centuries. Just concentrate on academics and fishing.

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Re: Ruto has decided to become official opposition leader
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2020, 11:59:53 AM »
Exactly. Their desperation is quite something. They are now btw a no mans land. What remain is for Uhuru to finally end their misery by declaring BBI dead and Raila dead.
You need your brain recalibrated, if this is the opium that makes odomos even act more gvt than jubilee, i saw sifuna yesterday defending corruption in gvt that even jubilee hasn't defended against, sorry to say but you people will be manipulated for centuries. Just concentrate on academics and fishing.