Uhuru and Raira needs ask themselves a very Simple question

[Njuri Ncheke]

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... If with all their support and state machinery they still can't garner majority in senate, come 2022 how will they engineer a win? By arresting all senators and mps?

[GeeMail]

There are senators of every party and kind on both sides. That question is partyless and ownerless.

[Njuri Ncheke]

There are senators of every party and kind on both sides. That question is partyless and ownerless.

My point is state machinery and resources have maxed out, if this is the best they can do then 2022 itakuwa sbida tupu, gatheca and baba cant crack senators so hutsler Ruto will sleep walk to pork 2022.

[Fairandbalanced]

I am not an expert on this revenue sharing thing but you would think they would come up with a formulae that does not shortchange anyone. Money should follow people and functions. Higher population means you need more schools, hospitals, roads sewage etc in places like Turkana, maybe we should only think of the habituated areas for revenue and not the whole expanse of the wasteland, they will still get a lot of money because their lifestyle means they occupy an area probably the size of Kiambu. If one guy decides to go live on top of Mt Kenya, we cannot start worrying about how services are going to get there, it’s ridiculous. They can come up with a binary system but Turkana with like 300k people getting more money than let’s say Muranga or Nandi is stupid and mind boggling. This should not even be a tribal issue, actually the central government continues to fund big projects like roads in Turkana and even with all the money, you would think with a small population, they can create a welfare system where they wire a little money to everyone so the famine does not devastate them every year.

[RV Pundit]

Simplistic as always. The constitution is clear that all parameters will be considered. When Turkana get oil or Mandera strike gold  - I am sure you'll be the first to run there. If kenya think Turkana is useless - hand it over to South Sudan or back to Ethiopia. Turkana were ruled by Menelik. If Mandera is a burden - give it up - why did we go for shifta war - when NFD just wanted to secede. Actually make it very easy - just create a lesotho republic - in central and be happy.

We are fighting about Migingo and yet what to describe other places as useless.

This kind of simplistic thinking is taking us right back to 2007 and the Kikuyus will be the biggest casualities.

Now engage your brain - think about 17 county function - and come up with formulae that ensure Turkana and Kiambu can get the services to the people.

I am not an expert on this revenue sharing thing but you would think they would come up with a formulae that does not shortchange anyone. Money should follow people and functions. Higher population means you need more schools, hospitals, roads sewage etc in places like Turkana, maybe we should only think of the habituated areas for revenue and not the whole expanse of the wasteland, they will still get a lot of money because their lifestyle means they occupy an area probably the size of Kiambu. If one guy decides to go live on top of Mt Kenya, we cannot start worrying about how services are going to get there, it’s ridiculous. They can come up with a binary system but Turkana with like 300k people getting more money than let’s say Muranga or Nandi is stupid and mind boggling. This should not even be a tribal issue, actually the central government continues to fund big projects like roads in Turkana and even with all the money, you would think with a small population, they can create a welfare system where they wire a little money to everyone so the famine does not devastate them every year.

[Dear Mami]

I am not an expert on this revenue sharing thing but you would think they would come up with a formulae that does not shortchange anyone. Money should follow people and functions. Higher population means you need more schools, hospitals, roads sewage etc in places like Turkana, maybe we should only think of the habituated areas for revenue and not the whole expanse of the wasteland, they will still get a lot of money because their lifestyle means they occupy an area probably the size of Kiambu. If one guy decides to go live on top of Mt Kenya, we cannot start worrying about how services are going to get there, it’s ridiculous. They can come up with a binary system but Turkana with like 300k people getting more money than let’s say Muranga or Nandi is stupid and mind boggling. This should not even be a tribal issue, actually the central government continues to fund big projects like roads in Turkana and even with all the money, you would think with a small population, they can create a welfare system where they wire a little money to everyone so the famine does not devastate them every year.

N.Eastern has not been developed by govt since independence like Nairobi and Kiambu. What is mind-boggling is the idea that we should cease to develop undeveloped areas and concentrate on areas that have hogged govt resources since independence. When all places are more comparable, even if not exactly equal, we'll starting going by simple, unnuanced metrics like population size. What I'm wondering is what has changed now thats creating this fracus: havent we been doing this since 2010?

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

I am not an expert on this revenue sharing thing but you would think they would come up with a formulae that does not shortchange anyone. Money should follow people and functions. Higher population means you need more schools, hospitals, roads sewage etc in places like Turkana, maybe we should only think of the habituated areas for revenue and not the whole expanse of the wasteland, they will still get a lot of money because their lifestyle means they occupy an area probably the size of Kiambu. If one guy decides to go live on top of Mt Kenya, we cannot start worrying about how services are going to get there, it’s ridiculous. They can come up with a binary system but Turkana with like 300k people getting more money than let’s say Muranga or Nandi is stupid and mind boggling. This should not even be a tribal issue, actually the central government continues to fund big projects like roads in Turkana and even with all the money, you would think with a small population, they can create a welfare system where they wire a little money to everyone so the famine does not devastate them every year.

The people of Marsabit get nothing for their wind resources, but when it comes to sharing revenue the contribution of the wind resource to the revenue counts for nothing. We have seen the national government rush to Turkana to develop infrastructure to exploit oil but when it comes to revenue allocation the investment the oil has brought into the country counts for nothing.”

Can't have your cake and eat it. My suggestion is revenue sharing should go full federal, every region gets to keep what it produces, that is equitable and fair.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Simplistic as always. The constitution is clear that all parameters will be considered. When Turkana get oil or Mandera strike gold  - I am sure you'll be the first to run there. If kenya think Turkana is useless - hand it over to South Sudan or back to Ethiopia. Turkana were ruled by Menelik. If Mandera is a burden - give it up - why did we go for shifta war - when NFD just wanted to secede. Actually make it very easy - just create a lesotho republic - in central and be happy.

We are fighting about Migingo and yet what to describe other places as useless.

This kind of simplistic thinking is taking us right back to 2007 and the Kikuyus will be the biggest casualities.

Now engage your brain - think about 17 county function - and come up with formulae that ensure Turkana and Kiambu can get the services to the people.

Well said. For all their bravado and superiority complex they actually produce little of value in Centro.

[GeeMail]

When was the last time Kenya fought for Migingo highlands?

[Fairandbalanced]

Like I said, am just trying to make sense of his issue. I do not want Turkana to be shortchanged in any way or we should stop trying to look for ways of developing every inch of Kenya including Migingo but grievance politics never work. I also do not know how this became a kikuyu issue, some of the richest counties in Kenya are outside of central province and also places like Kiambu happen to harbor everyone including sleazy Nigerians. The politicians shouting themselves hoarse like Murkonen were pro establishments just a few months, how gullible do these kind think we are? It’s amazing how quickly politicians discover the constitution or how much blood they are willing to shed for it once the gravy train is gone. I think this is an issue Ruto has to navigate diplomatically, losing kikuyu vote or Uniting the Raila coalition with Kikuyu is not in his best interest. I also have to add the that the central hoi polloi is not biting on this issue yet, the siege mentality has not set in so the Murkonens of this world are way over reacting  on this one to the detriment of Ruto.

[RV Pundit]

Don't think Ruto will grovel for the vote. Hiyo tu ni deni inalipwo. Beside the option B is Raila - so if you don't like Ruto - well you have to like Raila - and you have to think about consequences in RV. And if you try to bring PK or another gema - it becomes worse.

Like I said, am just trying to make sense of his issue. I do not want Turkana to be shortchanged in any way or we should stop trying to look for ways of developing every inch of Kenya including Migingo but grievance politics never work. I also do not know how this became a kikuyu issue, some of the richest counties in Kenya are outside of central province and also places like Kiambu happen to harbor everyone including sleazy Nigerians. The politicians shouting themselves hoarse like Murkonen were pro establishments just a few months, how gullible do these kind think we are? It’s amazing how quickly politicians discover the constitution or how much blood they are willing to shed for it once the gravy train is gone. I think this is an issue Ruto has to navigate diplomatically, losing kikuyu vote or Uniting the Raila coalition with Kikuyu is not in his best interest. I also have to add the that the central hoi polloi is not biting on this issue yet, the siege mentality has not set in so the Murkonens of this world are way over reacting  on this one to the detriment of Ruto.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Like I said, am just trying to make sense of his issue. I do not want Turkana to be shortchanged in any way or we should stop trying to look for ways of developing every inch of Kenya including Migingo but grievance politics never work. I also do not know how this became a kikuyu issue, some of the richest counties in Kenya are outside of central province and also places like Kiambu happen to harbor everyone including sleazy Nigerians. The politicians shouting themselves hoarse like Murkonen were pro establishments just a few months, how gullible do these kind think we are? It’s amazing how quickly politicians discover the constitution or how much blood they are willing to shed for it once the gravy train is gone. I think this is an issue Ruto has to navigate diplomatically, losing kikuyu vote or Uniting the Raila coalition with Kikuyu is not in his best interest. I also have to add the that the central hoi polloi is not biting on this issue yet, the siege mentality has not set in so the Murkonens of this world are way over reacting  on this one to the detriment of Ruto.

Yes according to recent KNBS data Meru is second richest after Nairobi. The reason why central counties struggle economically is because of lack of land. Meaning the poor there have no way out, It doesn't matter how much allocation you get in an agrarian economy like kenya where land is still the single unit of production. Nfd turkana etc have obviously been marginalized for over 40 years, and to ignore that fact is simply  being petty. This areas need that money more than kiambu or nyeri which has produced a president each and enjoyed massive state resources, what else can you ask for? If that money hasnt benefitted you then the revenue allocation will NEVER. simply its more money for the corrupt county government.

[RV Pundit]

Exactly  Njuri.They need to get out if that miasma of propaganda

[Nefertiti]

Uhuru key aim is not "winning" the new formula. It to set up Ruto against Kikuyu. Murkomen should let Sakaja and Mutula Jnr lead the tantrums otherwise he is falling for it.

[Fairandbalanced]

Here comes the Raila scarecrow that appears every five yrs. I do not find Raila all that scary anymore, I am more scared of bible thumpers who rob the country blind or threaten violence to innocent people. You seem to think Kikuyus are stuck between the rock and a hard place in the choice between Raila or Ruto, I do not get that sense on the ground. I personally cannot fathom of another Kikuyu presidency and do not even care if they get the deputy presidency, it’s time for Kenya to move beyond this tribal gorilla. The likes of Waititu, Sonko, Kidero etc have reinforced the fact that elections have consequences. If Raila  decided that his legacy will be about uniting Kenya with the handshake, I will personally vote for him than people beating the drums of war, I do not even care who he chooses for DP but if he goes for a non tribal, development conscious guy like Peter Kenneth, it becomes a very compelling ticket.

[patel]

On point. Time to call out politics of blackmail and violence when things dont go your away. I wish Kalenjin nation would embrace ideology driven politics with more national outlook rather than pursuing narrow tribal driven politics.

Here comes the Raila scarecrow that appears every five yrs. I do not find Raila all that scary anymore, I am more scared of bible thumpers who rob the country blind or threaten violence to innocent people. You seem to think Kikuyus are stuck between the rock and a hard place in the choice between Raila or Ruto, I do not get that sense on the ground. I personally cannot fathom of another Kikuyu presidency and do not even care if they get the deputy presidency, it’s time for Kenya to move beyond this tribal gorilla. The likes of Waititu, Sonko, Kidero etc have reinforced the fact that elections have consequences. If Raila  decided that his legacy will be about uniting Kenya with the handshake, I will personally vote for him than people beating the drums of war, I do not even care who he chooses for DP but if he goes for a non tribal, development conscious guy like Peter Kenneth, it becomes a very compelling ticket.

[GeeMail]

Don't think Ruto will grovel for the vote. Hiyo tu ni deni inalipwo. Beside the option B is Raila - so if you don't like Ruto - well you have to like Raila - and you have to think about consequences in RV. And if you try to bring PK or another gema - it becomes worse.

Like I said, am just trying to make sense of his issue. I do not want Turkana to be shortchanged in any way or we should stop trying to look for ways of developing every inch of Kenya including Migingo but grievance politics never work. I also do not know how this became a kikuyu issue, some of the richest counties in Kenya are outside of central province and also places like Kiambu happen to harbor everyone including sleazy Nigerians. The politicians shouting themselves hoarse like Murkonen were pro establishments just a few months, how gullible do these kind think we are? It’s amazing how quickly politicians discover the constitution or how much blood they are willing to shed for it once the gravy train is gone. I think this is an issue Ruto has to navigate diplomatically, losing kikuyu vote or Uniting the Raila coalition with Kikuyu is not in his best interest. I also have to add the that the central hoi polloi is not biting on this issue yet, the siege mentality has not set in so the Murkonens of this world are way over reacting  on this one to the detriment of Ruto.

Three years from now Pundit will deny Kalenjin threatening Kikuyu people in RV. This line he has repeated many times on this forum. Internet forget but Nipate do not.

[RV Pundit]

When I predict what will happen I am not threatening anybody. This forum has readership of 20 people with about 15 of you very low IQ

[Nowayhaha]

Simplistic as always. The constitution is clear that all parameters will be considered. When Turkana get oil or Mandera strike gold  - I am sure you'll be the first to run there. If kenya think Turkana is useless - hand it over to South Sudan or back to Ethiopia. Turkana were ruled by Menelik. If Mandera is a burden - give it up - why did we go for shifta war - when NFD just wanted to secede. Actually make it very easy - just create a lesotho republic - in central and be happy.

We are fighting about Migingo and yet what to describe other places as useless.

This kind of simplistic thinking is taking us right back to 2007 and the Kikuyus will be the biggest casualities.

Now engage your brain - think about 17 county function - and come up with formulae that ensure Turkana and Kiambu can get the services to the people.

I am not an expert on this revenue sharing thing but you would think they would come up with a formulae that does not shortchange anyone. Money should follow people and functions. Higher population means you need more schools, hospitals, roads sewage etc in places like Turkana, maybe we should only think of the habituated areas for revenue and not the whole expanse of the wasteland, they will still get a lot of money because their lifestyle means they occupy an area probably the size of Kiambu. If one guy decides to go live on top of Mt Kenya, we cannot start worrying about how services are going to get there, it’s ridiculous. They can come up with a binary system but Turkana with like 300k people getting more money than let’s say Muranga or Nandi is stupid and mind boggling. This should not even be a tribal issue, actually the central government continues to fund big projects like roads in Turkana and even with all the money, you would think with a small population, they can create a welfare system where they wire a little money to everyone so the famine does not devastate them every year.

How your turn all threads to a Kikuyu thing is amazing. There are two sides pro formulae and anti - Pro has actually RV,western and Nyanza while against is coast North Eastern and the youthful senators . How is this becoming a Lesotho republic, such talk by Raila and his team is what lead to P.E.V in 2007 only to frame Ruto  becuase of people like you who bought the idea and implemented it

[Nowayhaha]

Don't think Ruto will grovel for the vote. Hiyo tu ni deni inalipwo. Beside the option B is Raila - so if you don't like Ruto - well you have to like Raila - and you have to think about consequences in RV. And if you try to bring PK or another gema - it becomes worse.

Like I said, am just trying to make sense of his issue. I do not want Turkana to be shortchanged in any way or we should stop trying to look for ways of developing every inch of Kenya including Migingo but grievance politics never work. I also do not know how this became a kikuyu issue, some of the richest counties in Kenya are outside of central province and also places like Kiambu happen to harbor everyone including sleazy Nigerians. The politicians shouting themselves hoarse like Murkonen were pro establishments just a few months, how gullible do these kind think we are? It’s amazing how quickly politicians discover the constitution or how much blood they are willing to shed for it once the gravy train is gone. I think this is an issue Ruto has to navigate diplomatically, losing kikuyu vote or Uniting the Raila coalition with Kikuyu is not in his best interest. I also have to add the that the central hoi polloi is not biting on this issue yet, the siege mentality has not set in so the Murkonens of this world are way over reacting  on this one to the detriment of Ruto.

People have already told you, you are not Ruto, and luckly he does not take advices from people like you. As from 2018 he dropped the notion which people tried to advance then" ya kulipa deni"

Why dont you ask Raila and his ilk to lipa deni as you voted form him in 2007
You mention Plan B is supporting Raila in 2022 - Go ahead and support him , Ruto will still be in the ballot and will be voted by many and from all corners of the country , Its not like Kalenjins have not been supporting Raila there is a percentage who have been voting for him even with Ruto beeing a DP candidate . Go ahead and vote for Raila.
You just need to be careful with all this talk of consequences as if if there is violence it will only affect a particular group of people. It will affect all and sundry .
We already see what is happening in Narok, this is because of such narrative you are trying to push and forget about provinces they were scrapped in the new constitution . You should be talking of counties and you will realize how skewed your thinking is . Kalenjin are the minority in 3 critical counties , Narok , Nakuru and Transozia if there is to be any instigated violence as minority they will be the most vulnerable and God forbid this does not happen