Dollars and Sense - Dissolve Turkana and Marsabit

[KenyanPlato]

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Sometimes in poor nations like Kenya pragmatism should lead the way. Instead of ploughing billions into vast deserts like formerly Northern Provinces of Kenya we need to liquidate these counties as provided by the constitution. Then offer incentives to the residents of these areas to migrate to other more productive and developed counties. As matter of fact GOK should hive off areas that are fertile and in developed regions of Kenya to resettle these residents. There is no need to waste resources in place like Turkana that will be unlivable in 30 years to come

Nanok and his clan should be carted off Turkana

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Sometimes in poor nations like Kenya pragmatism should lead the way. Instead of ploughing billions into vast deserts like formerly Northern Provinces of Kenya we need to liquidate these counties as provided by the constitution. Then offer incentives to the residents of these areas to migrate to other more productive and developed counties. As matter of fact GOK should hive off areas that are fertile and in developed regions of Kenya to resettle these residents. There is no need to waste resources in place like Turkana that will be unlivable in 30 years to come

Nanok and his clan should be carted off Turkana

There is no government land, all land is community land in Zamunda, if you move one community into another community's land you are bound to stir up a hornet's nest. The fate of the Gikuyu IDP's dispaced from RV should be instructive. You love writing fiction KP, do you smoke marijuana, I know its legal in stato.

[mankind]

 Plato is an agitator. Turkana has a lot of potential if only devolution could be managed properly. So far devolution everywhere in Kenya has succeed in creating a few millionaires related to the ruling class. I was born and raised in Kitale and my family has been doing business in cargo transportation on that corridor for years. My mum owned a flour store in Lodwar in a market called California way before there was relief food she would buy dry maize and mill it then sell it in those one and two kilograms tins. In high school my sister and I during holidays would buy fresh fruits and vegetables and supply them to the grocery stores in Lodwar and Kakuma refugee camp and make a lot of pocket money. Fast forward to today and I have several trucks plying the same route all the way to Narus and Kapoeta in South Sudan. Now in our local Sacco in Kitale alone we had about 100 vehicles and every time you go through Turkana loaded either way you pay 3000ksh in cess. Now tell me again why people in Turkana are going hungry!!. Devolution has taught the innocent Turkana how to steal from their own just like the rest of Kenya..or as they used to say up there long time ago ,Natoka Lodwar naenda Kenya. Now they are fully Kenyan..... thieves of public resources like the rest of us. Sad!!

[RV Pundit]

I can tell you NGOS spend more than 1 billion dollars in Northern Kenya annually with nothing to show.

What can 10b kshs do - when distance from kapenguria to lokichoggio - is the distance from Nairobi to Mombasa.

The solution is to irrigate some land in Turkana and then urbanize Turkanas. The land should be converted into wild life conservancies and ranches.

We need like 10 Tsavo size national parks there. Tourist will generate more revenues than Turkana cows.

Plato is an agitator. Turkana has a lot of potential if only devolution could be managed properly. So far devolution everywhere in Kenya has succeed in creating a few millionaires related to the ruling class. I was born and raised in Kitale and my family has been doing business in cargo transportation on that corridor for years. My mum owned a flour store in Lodwar in a market called California way before there was relief food she would buy dry maize and mill it then sell it in those one and two kilograms tins. In high school my sister and I during holidays would buy fresh fruits and vegetables and supply them to the grocery stores in Lodwar and Kakuma refugee camp and make a lot of pocket money. Fast forward to today and I have several trucks plying the same route all the way to Narus and Kapoeta in South Sudan. Now in our local Sacco in Kitale alone we had about 100 vehicles and every time you go through Turkana loaded either way you pay 3000ksh in cess. Now tell me again why people in Turkana are going hungry!!. Devolution has taught the innocent Turkana how to steal from their own just like the rest of Kenya..or as they used to say up there long time ago ,Natoka Lodwar naenda Kenya. Now they are fully Kenyan..... thieves of public resources like the rest of us. Sad!!

[hk]

Turkana, Samburu, Marsabit, Garissa, Tana River, Mandera and Wajir, all those counties need to invest in livestock feedlots. This is there ticket out of poverty. Those counties lose almost 25% of their livestock in dry periods. In addition the sell offload weight per livestock is 50% lower compared to Botswana and Namibia. This would increase productivity and hence income of the residents. This counties can be the richest counties in Kenya and become exporters of beef, mutton and lamb that's grass fed. Feedlots should be the priority not useless tarmacked roads.

[RV Pundit]

You have a point. How can they do this - counties have agri sector. Maybe they should have county funded feedlots for a start and build a livestock value chain. But where will they get feeds? They would have to buy expensive animal feeds.

They need to go and study Botswana....

Turkana, Samburu, Marsabit, Garissa, Tana River, Mandera and Wajir, all those counties need to invest in livestock feedlots. This is there ticket out of poverty. Those counties lose almost 25% of their livestock in dry periods. In addition the sell offload weight per livestock is 50% lower compared to Botswana and Namibia. This would increase productivity and hence income of the residents. This counties can be the richest counties in Kenya and become exporters of beef, mutton and lamb that's grass fed. Feedlots should be the priority not useless tarmacked roads.

[hk]

You have a point. How can they do this - counties have agri sector. Maybe they should have county funded feedlots for a start and build a livestock value chain. But where will they get feeds? They would have to buy expensive animal feeds.

They need to go and study Botswana....

Turkana, Samburu, Marsabit, Garissa, Tana River, Mandera and Wajir, all those counties need to invest in livestock feedlots. This is there ticket out of poverty. Those counties lose almost 25% of their livestock in dry periods. In addition the sell offload weight per livestock is 50% lower compared to Botswana and Namibia. This would increase productivity and hence income of the residents. This counties can be the richest counties in Kenya and become exporters of beef, mutton and lamb that's grass fed. Feedlots should be the priority not useless tarmacked roads.

The counties should invest in feedlots or help the farmers to form cooperative feedlots. They don't need to buy expensive animal feeds, all they need to do is plant sorghum, hay(grass) and maybe yellow maize in the rainy season. Harvest, bale and do intensive feeding in the dry season on the feedlots.
The next phase would be working on breeding and genetics. This is a very low hanging fruit that should be exploited immediately.

[KenyanPlato]

The people in these areas see animals as status symbol not something to sell and make money. They only sell them when in distress. These morons wont invest in feedlots. The only way is to get ranchers there to do it on large scale. However their elites are lazy and do not like hard work. You see a Kikuyu executive will spend weekends tilling land but not these Muslim guys. they are lazy like Arabs they hate manual labor

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

The people in these areas see animals as status symbol not something to sell and make money. They only sell them when in distress. These morons wont invest in feedlots. The only way is to get ranchers there to do it on large scale. However their elites are lazy and do not like hard work. You see a Kikuyu executive will spend weekends tilling land but not these Muslim guys. they are lazy like Arabs they hate manual labor

It is not like the rest of Kenya mastered efficient large agriculture or livestock keeping. GEMA for example can't get coffee or milk right yet you want to pontificate to others like you made it. Subsistence farming on quarter of an acre is not thriving, in Zamunda only those bazungus with large ranches in Narok and Laikpia have got any sort of thriving large scale agriculture in Kenya, the rest are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[gout]

Kikuyu peasants are getting food donations in Central Kenya and in urban slums all over in these corona times, yet to see donations in Turkana or Wajir.

The people in these areas see animals as status symbol not something to sell and make money. They only sell them when in distress. These morons wont invest in feedlots. The only way is to get ranchers there to do it on large scale. However their elites are lazy and do not like hard work. You see a Kikuyu executive will spend weekends tilling land but not these Muslim guys. they are lazy like Arabs they hate manual labor

It is not like the rest of Kenya mastered efficient large agriculture or livestock keeping. GEMA for example can't get coffee or milk right yet you want to pontificate to others like you made it. Subsistence farming on quarter of an acre is not thriving, in Zamunda only those bazungus with large ranches in Narok and Laikpia have got any sort of thriving large scale agriculture in Kenya, the rest are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[KenyanPlato]

The people in these areas see animals as status symbol not something to sell and make money. They only sell them when in distress. These morons wont invest in feedlots. The only way is to get ranchers there to do it on large scale. However their elites are lazy and do not like hard work. You see a Kikuyu executive will spend weekends tilling land but not these Muslim guys. they are lazy like Arabs they hate manual labor

It is not like the rest of Kenya mastered efficient large agriculture or livestock keeping. GEMA for example can't get coffee or milk right yet you want to pontificate to others like you made it. Subsistence farming on quarter of an acre is not thriving, in Zamunda only those bazungus with large ranches in Narok and Laikpia have got any sort of thriving large scale agriculture in Kenya, the rest are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Check dairy and Tea production.. As matter of fact my home area Milk is worthy about 2 to 3 billion.. this is just raw milk.. for cows raised in Zero grazing.. Those ASAL counties need to be auctioned to Mzungu or some other entity with ability to modernize it

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Check dairy and Tea production.. As matter of fact my home area Milk is worthy about 2 to 3 billion.. this is just raw milk.. for cows raised in Zero grazing.. Those ASAL counties need to be auctioned to Mzungu or some other entity with ability to modernize it

I don't buy your figures. Central is a cesspit, its a high rain area though, that helps. ASAL counties need to be independent from Kenya, the government only cares about them when they want their resources like oil in Turkana, they have been neglected by their own state for so long.

[gout]

The sale of livestock is understated due to being largely informal; cattle rustling black market; thuggish butchers. However, using anecdotal evidence based on consumption an average family will eat 2kilos per month in Nairobi while they will use at most a kilo of tea. Producing 1,000 kilo of meat in Turkana requires men and boys just running after the chicke, goats, cows and camel. Producing 1,000 kilos of tea is deep costly shit from adulterated fertilizers, costly labour, thus the misdirected anger at KTDA.

Check dairy and Tea production.. As matter of fact my home area Milk is worthy about 2 to 3 billion.. this is just raw milk.. for cows raised in Zero grazing.. Those ASAL counties need to be auctioned to Mzungu or some other entity with ability to modernize it

I don't buy your figures. Central is a cesspit, its a high rain area though, that helps. ASAL counties need to be independent from Kenya, the government only cares about them when they want their resources like oil in Turkana, they have been neglected by their own state for so long.

[Nowayhaha]

The sale of livestock is understated due to being largely informal; cattle rustling black market; thuggish butchers. However, using anecdotal evidence based on consumption an average family will eat 2kilos per month in Nairobi while they will use at most a kilo of tea. Producing 1,000 kilo of meat in Turkana requires men and boys just running after the chicke, goats, cows and camel. Producing 1,000 kilos of tea is deep costly shit from adulterated fertilizers, costly labour, thus the misdirected anger at KTDA.

Check dairy and Tea production.. As matter of fact my home area Milk is worthy about 2 to 3 billion.. this is just raw milk.. for cows raised in Zero grazing.. Those ASAL counties need to be auctioned to Mzungu or some other entity with ability to modernize it

I don't buy your figures. Central is a cesspit, its a high rain area though, that helps. ASAL counties need to be independent from Kenya, the government only cares about them when they want their resources like oil in Turkana, they have been neglected by their own state for so long.

Comparing oranges  to Mangoes.
Tea is produced as a foreign exchange earner .Where as in some cases meat is exported to middle east and if we use that as bench mark. How much will a thousand  kilo of tea cost and generate vis a vis a thousand kilo of  meat. what is the cost of tranportation and storage of these commodities.
Foreign exchange earned from meat in comparison to tea is insignificant

[KenyanPlato]

The evidence is out there. Just look at all economic indicators. Central leads. Asals should be shutdown those Zebu cows killed and encourage these people to move to cities

[Nowayhaha]

The evidence is out there. Just look at all economic indicators. Central leads. Asals should be shutdown those Zebu cows killed and encourage these people to move to cities

Its easier than said. First that would be  considered as an international crime .Secondly Culture and Heritage are considered sacred akin to Religion and you know what happens when religion in touched. Thirdly there are natural resources which can be tapped but it requires support from government and donors.

[Kadudu]

I mostly disagree with this character but it seems since he was shown the door from SH he has seen a bit of the light.

[KenyanPlato]

Kiambu population  has grown by millions due to,urbanization not due to population. There is all tribes in kiambu and part of muranga.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

The evidence is out there. Just look at all economic indicators. Central leads. Asals should be shutdown those Zebu cows killed and encourage these people to move to cities

Its easier than said. First that would be  considered as an international crime .Secondly Culture and Heritage are considered sacred akin to Religion and you know what happens when religion in touched. Thirdly there are natural resources which can be tapped but it requires support from government and donors.

That and who is going to bell the cat, Kenya's martial tribes comes from the ASAL, it would be suicidal to mess with them. Just look at how Nigeria can't contain a few rag tag Islamic fanatics.

[gout]

A look at the livestock numbers in select counties