Mt Kenya (kikuyu) entitlement is astounding - 1 shilling 1 vote

[RV Pundit]

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THE DAY RIFT VALLEY SACRIFICED THEIR OWN BENEFIT FOR THE SAKE OF NATION - The story of the Revenue Allocation Debate
1. Scriptwriters for the System: Senator Kibiru and Njee Muturi
2. First Move: Dewhip the Chair of the Finance and Budget Committee in Senate
3. Results: Sen. Mahamud Mohamed Removed and Replaced by Senator Kibiru of Kirinyaga
4. Second Move: Create Formula
Unfortunately,
5. No Formula can disadvantage Rift-Valley and Luo Nyanza Counties.
Why?
6. Whether you use Land Mass or Population the two areas CANNOT lose. instead, they gain. They have the people and the Land.
7. INSTEAD, The Losers of the Formula are
a). Coast Counties
b). North Eastern Counties
c). Ukambani Counties - Makueni and Kitui
d) Nyamira - Senator Omogeni has been loyal to ODM
Those Counties largely voted ODM the new partners of KIELEWEKE and The System
Now The reality...
1. ODM could not play along with their partners as Coast was already threatening to chart their own destiny. Senator Mutula Jnr. has been nothing but loyal. ODM could not abandon them at their point of need
2. Nyamira was losing too and they have been nothing but loyal
3. On the other side most of these Counties Voted out Senator Murkomen as Majority Leader - It was a test of leadership on the part of the Senator, he chose the side of Equity.
IN Summary
1. Kieleweke Team in Jubilee Threw the following Counties Under the Bus - Despite Voting Jubilee to power
a) Tharaka Nithi - Obviously it is not a Kikuyu County
b) Samburu
 c) Wajir
 d) Mandera
  e) Marsabit
2. Raila Odinga Team on the other Hand was ready to sacrifice
a) Coast Counties
b) Narok - Senator Ledama has been Loyal
c) Vihiga
d) Nyamira
3. RIFT VALLEY was going to be the biggest beneficiary - but Senator Murkomen and team decided to argue for Kenya and not their benefit!
Asante Sana Rift Valley for going beyond personal benefit!
2. Raila Odinga Team, on the other hand, was ready to sacrifice
WHAT NEXT?
1. Status Quo will remain. That is ODM does not sacrifice Counties that have stood with them throughout
2. In the Future, a discussion and debate must be initiated to ensure that Equalization Fund and Budget Allocation to Counties are fashioned to address the marginalization of the past and ensuring we do not create new marginalization.
3. That will not, however, be achieved via a selfish focus on Mt.Kenya for political purposes, developed by the System and Kieleweke.
There you go.

[RV Pundit]

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-07-13-cash-sharing-formula-standoff-persists-as-senators-defer-debate/
Among the biggest losers is Wajir whose allocation will be cut by Sh1.9 billion if the formulae is implemented.

Mandera and Marsabit lose Sh1.8 billion, Garissa faces a reduction of Sh1.2 billion, Tana River Sh1.5 billion, Mombasa Sh1.6 billion, Kwale Sh995 million, Narok Sh887 million and  Isiolo Sh879 million.

The formula will also make Kilifi lose Sh878 million, Turkana Sh450 million, Kitui Sh219 million, Makueni Sh302 million, Samburu Sh294 million, Taita Taveta Sh388 million, Tharaka Nithi Sh367 million, and Vihiga Sh361 million.

[KenyanPlato]

That what kiiuyus want. If you guy want raw unadultered  tribalism kikuyus  have it in plenty. Wacha  we won't apologize  for it. Itimbu is a moron.

[RV Pundit]

You have it good with Nairobi as capital city. Maybe we need to shift to Isiolo so the marganizlied north can make money. I don't understand kikuyu hate for anything somali

That what kiiuyus want. If you guy want raw unadultered  tribalism kikuyus  have it in plenty. Wacha  we won't apologize  for it. Itimbu is a moron.

[KenyanPlato]

You have it good with Nairobi as capital city. Maybe we need to shift to Isiolo so the marganizlied north can make money. I don't understand kikuyu hate for anything somali

That what kiiuyus want. If you guy want raw unadultered  tribalism kikuyus  have it in plenty. Wacha  we won't apologize  for it. Itimbu is a moron.

Kikuyus have no beef with Somalis. They actually admire their resilience. Plus they like their honesty in business  dealings.

[Nowayhaha]

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

[Njuri Ncheke]

NEP should just secede

[Kadudu]

Waende wapi, Somalia?

NEP should just secede

[Kadudu]

Is that a fact or an assumption? Remember the IEBC servers will not be inyour hands anymore.

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

[Nowayhaha]

Is that a fact or an assumption? Remember the IEBC servers will not be inyour hands anymore.

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

Repeat a lie many times and it becomes the truth.
One thing which differentiates Uhuru from Raila is ,In 2002 once Uhuru lost  he took it with stride went back to the drawing board and figured out the mistakes and learning points from his defeat. It took him around 8 years to get ot right and he got it right in 2013 and 2017.

As for Railaz its the opposite having lost 2007 he instilled in his supporters that his elections are always stolen come 2013 and 2017 same story the results are always disastrous with every prevailing elections losing by an even larger margin.

Now he has his supporters thinking we ve gotten the "system" at last and this time we will win it. This unfortunately has negative effect and his supporters will be comfortbale to a position they wont register nor go and vote ,only later to be told the elections were stolen again.

Aa for Ruto he is already mobilising his supporters ,he made the hustler nation (similar to the digital vs monologue in 2013), for his supporters is do or die for a Rutos Presidency.. its evident Raila will lose by an even larger margin compared to 2013 and 2017.

Sometimes I empathise with Raila supporters, how do you go through the same vicious cycle , knowing you will lose but still holding on there and when results start trickling in you start claiming they were stolen. Oooh this time around you have the system......

[audacityofhope]

Is that a fact or an assumption? Remember the IEBC servers will not be in your hands anymore

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

Repeat a lie many times and it becomes the truth.
One thing which differentiates Uhuru from Raila is ,In 2002 once Uhuru lost  he took it with stride went back to the drawing board and figured out the mistakes and learning points from his defeat. It took him around 8 years to get ot right and he got it right in 2013 and 2017.

As for Railaz its the opposite having lost 2007 he instilled in his supporters that his elections are always stolen come 2013 and 2017 same story the results are always disastrous with every prevailing elections losing by an even larger margin.

Now he has his supporters thinking we ve gotten the "system" at last and this time we will win it. This unfortunately has negative effect and his supporters will be comfortbale to a position they wont register nor go and vote ,only later to be told the elections were stolen again.

Aa for Ruto he is already mobilising his supporters ,he made the hustler nation (similar to the digital vs monologue in 2013), for his supporters is do or die for a Rutos Presidency.. its evident Raila will lose by an even larger margin compared to 2013 and 2017.

Sometimes I empathise with Raila supporters, how do you go through the same vicious cycle , knowing you will lose but still holding on there and when results start trickling in you start claiming they were stolen. Oooh this time around you have the system......

You are lining yourself up to be disappointed like @RV Pundit. Somewhere around awamu ya kwanza, he was told & believed, "Kumi zangu, kumi za Ruto".... come 2017 the latter was in cruise mode rigging out established politicians from Mt.Kenya and replacing them with political novices ready to do his bidding- all this done without the blessing of where the real power lay??? Now reality of this folly has hit @RV pundit and he willows in misery.
You are being told by @KaInsect that come 2022 you will not be controlling the Servers yet you continue posting here like a lunatic. Get a grip of yourself.
Uhuru's path to power had zero planning on his part. It was motivated as a reaction to indictment by ICC galvanizing GEMA & a mum coming to the rescue of a son in international trouble - (Late Michuki et al pronounces him Muthamaki) . The kales have been used. Accept & move on.

[Nowayhaha]

Is that a fact or an assumption? Remember the IEBC servers will not be in your hands anymore

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

Repeat a lie many times and it becomes the truth.
One thing which differentiates Uhuru from Raila is ,In 2002 once Uhuru lost  he took it with stride went back to the drawing board and figured out the mistakes and learning points from his defeat. It took him around 8 years to get ot right and he got it right in 2013 and 2017.

As for Railaz its the opposite having lost 2007 he instilled in his supporters that his elections are always stolen come 2013 and 2017 same story the results are always disastrous with every prevailing elections losing by an even larger margin.

Now he has his supporters thinking we ve gotten the "system" at last and this time we will win it. This unfortunately has negative effect and his supporters will be comfortbale to a position they wont register nor go and vote ,only later to be told the elections were stolen again.

Aa for Ruto he is already mobilising his supporters ,he made the hustler nation (similar to the digital vs monologue in 2013), for his supporters is do or die for a Rutos Presidency.. its evident Raila will lose by an even larger margin compared to 2013 and 2017.

Sometimes I empathise with Raila supporters, how do you go through the same vicious cycle , knowing you will lose but still holding on there and when results start trickling in you start claiming they were stolen. Oooh this time around you have the system......

You are lining yourself up to be disappointed like @RV Pundit. Somewhere around awamu ya kwanza, he was told & believed, "Kumi zangu, kumi za Ruto".... come 2017 the latter was in cruise mode rigging out established politicians from Mt.Kenya and replacing them with political novices ready to do his bidding- all this done without the blessing of where the real power lay??? Now reality of this folly has hit @RV pundit and he willows in misery.
You are being told by @KaInsect that come 2022 you will not be controlling the Servers yet you continue posting here like a lunatic. Get a grip of yourself.
Uhuru's path to power had zero planning on his part. It was motivated as a reaction to indictment by ICC galvanizing GEMA & a mum coming to the rescue of a son in international trouble - (Late Michuki et al pronounces him Muthamaki) . The kales have been used. Accept & move on.

You ODM supporters like contradicting yourselves, If we were to go with your analogy in 2013 and 2017 you purported that Jubilee controlled the servers through Davis Chirchir a William Ruto Man. Now you claim Raila controls the servers through Uhuru. So what to beiieve is it Chirchirs Servers or Uhuru servers ?

[Nowayhaha]

Is that a fact or an assumption? Remember the IEBC servers will not be in your hands anymore

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

Repeat a lie many times and it becomes the truth.
One thing which differentiates Uhuru from Raila is ,In 2002 once Uhuru lost  he took it with stride went back to the drawing board and figured out the mistakes and learning points from his defeat. It took him around 8 years to get ot right and he got it right in 2013 and 2017.

As for Railaz its the opposite having lost 2007 he instilled in his supporters that his elections are always stolen come 2013 and 2017 same story the results are always disastrous with every prevailing elections losing by an even larger margin.

Now he has his supporters thinking we ve gotten the "system" at last and this time we will win it. This unfortunately has negative effect and his supporters will be comfortbale to a position they wont register nor go and vote ,only later to be told the elections were stolen again.

Aa for Ruto he is already mobilising his supporters ,he made the hustler nation (similar to the digital vs monologue in 2013), for his supporters is do or die for a Rutos Presidency.. its evident Raila will lose by an even larger margin compared to 2013 and 2017.

Sometimes I empathise with Raila supporters, how do you go through the same vicious cycle , knowing you will lose but still holding on there and when results start trickling in you start claiming they were stolen. Oooh this time around you have the system......

You are lining yourself up to be disappointed like @RV Pundit. Somewhere around awamu ya kwanza, he was told & believed, "Kumi zangu, kumi za Ruto".... come 2017 the latter was in cruise mode rigging out established politicians from Mt.Kenya and replacing them with political novices ready to do his bidding- all this done without the blessing of where the real power lay??? Now reality of this folly has hit @RV pundit and he willows in misery.
You are being told by @KaInsect that come 2022 you will not be controlling the Servers yet you continue posting here like a lunatic. Get a grip of yourself.
Uhuru's path to power had zero planning on his part. It was motivated as a reaction to indictment by ICC galvanizing GEMA & a mum coming to the rescue of a son in international trouble - (Late Michuki et al pronounces him Muthamaki) . The kales have been used. Accept & move on.

You ODM supporters like contradicting yourselves, If we were to go with your analogy in 2013 and 2017 you purported that Jubilee controlled the servers through Davis Chirchir a William Ruto Man. Now you claim Raila controls the servers through Uhuru. So what to beiieve is it Chirchirs Servers or Uhuru servers ?

Fyi Gemas Unity was enhanced in 2007 by the hate against Raila and motivation for the same in 2013 and 2017 also if Raila will be in the  ballot same unity will be there to ensure he doesnt become the President.
Prior to 2007 GEMA had never been that united even in 2002 and during Mois time.

[RV Pundit]

Audacity.. what makes you think I am in misery like an odmoron

[audacityofhope]

Audacity.. what makes you think I am in misery like an odmoron

The internet never forgets: Here is @RVP on dream street in Aug 2016.... despite spirited attempts by several members to remind him of a basic understanding of Kenyan politics 101.

From that high of ...

This party is not very critical for Uhuru win next year but is crucial for Ruto win in 2022..and it all starting to fall in place.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/nine-jubilee-parties-give-notice-to-fold-and-support-uhuru/1064-3336862-31uqfjz/index.html

Jubilee is the party that Uhuru & Ruto need to herd GEMA to back Ruto 2022...the party which I project will have more than 200 out of 350mps...will be hard for a spoiler to rebel and upstage the apple cart.

.... to barely being able to summon the energy to post more than a word or line per post - depression has set in... and surely misery will follow - He used to talk over us - Let us recall what the soothsayers on this forum posted on this particular day/thread in 2016 (https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=3394.msg23798#msg23798)...

• After 2017 the members will squabble .... and tribal cracks will emerge. The koolaid won't last.

• JAP can only help ouru in 2017 but will not survive to help Ruto in 2022.  The "kikuyus owe me " is not compelling enough to sustain a party of that magnitude  until 2022.
  

• ....Same reasons here.
  
  In this case, hamper Ruto so come 2022 when the inevitable happens (no endorsement), he'll run around confused cobbling up another party.
  
  The writing is on the wall for Ruto come 2022.
  

[RV Pundit]

I see - it just that I have been out there burying another close relative the last few days. Otherwise why would I been depressed by politics I am a dispassionate pundit.

We have talked about Jubilee enough times. Ruto didn't see how the nomination mess would morph into this but I believe Jubilee old brand (Jubilee Asili 1.0) is still good brand. Jubilee corona is bad rubbish nobody should associate with 2022. Raila has completely destroyed and jinxed Jubilee with his handshake/BBI.

What will sell is development...not cynical BBI nonsense.

Ruto remains the man to beat in 2022. Raila - poor Raila - if he surmount the poor health - he has no path to PORK - because GEMA cannot trust her.

Audacity.. what makes you think I am in misery like an odmoron

The internet never forgets: Here is @RVP on dream street in Aug 2016.... despite spirited attempts by several members to remind him of a basic understanding of Kenyan politics 101.

From that high of ...

This party is not very critical for Uhuru win next year but is crucial for Ruto win in 2022..and it all starting to fall in place.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/nine-jubilee-parties-give-notice-to-fold-and-support-uhuru/1064-3336862-31uqfjz/index.html

Jubilee is the party that Uhuru & Ruto need to herd GEMA to back Ruto 2022...the party which I project will have more than 200 out of 350mps...will be hard for a spoiler to rebel and upstage the apple cart.

.... to barely being able to summon the energy to post more than a word or line per post - depression has set in... and surely misery will follow - He used to talk over us - Let us recall what the soothsayers on this forum posted on this particular day/thread in 2016 (https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=3394.msg23798#msg23798)...

• After 2017 the members will squabble .... and tribal cracks will emerge. The koolaid won't last.

• JAP can only help ouru in 2017 but will not survive to help Ruto in 2022.  The "kikuyus owe me " is not compelling enough to sustain a party of that magnitude  until 2022.
  

• ....Same reasons here.
  
  In this case, hamper Ruto so come 2022 when the inevitable happens (no endorsement), he'll run around confused cobbling up another party.
  
  The writing is on the wall for Ruto come 2022.
  

[RV Pundit]

This formulae is an example why BBI was doomed to failed from ab initio. It's hard to reconcile all the divergent views. That is why the constitution are rarely made in peace time. There has to be a big threat like the civil war of 2007 that will force the different sides to agree to compromise.

BBI will come and it will generate equal opposition and support.

What Im getting from this is the actual losers are the ones supporting BBI and the ones who have been promised manner from heaven by the BBI leadership.
One fact remains Mt Kenya and Rift Valley will form the next government simply because of one common enemy and thats Raila

[gout]

Young kikuyu supremacists are naive to support this nonsense, they have nothing to gain from concentration of resource in over depleted Centro Kenya.  A road in Kilifi or Garissa benefits Kikuyus doing quarry work there. Some of those marginalized places once opened up are haven for the drunk youths in Centro to turn into millionnaires given their hustling ways.

The myopic politicians are sure they will get the tenders and all sort of allowances once the idle cash is channelled into Centro.

[Nowayhaha]

Young kikuyu supremacists are naive to support this nonsense, they have nothing to gain from concentration of resource in over depleted Centro Kenya.  A road in Kilifi or Garissa benefits Kikuyus doing quarry work there. Some of those marginalized places once opened up are haven for the drunk youths in Centro to turn into millionnaires given their hustling ways.

The myopic politicians are sure they will get the tenders and all sort of allowances once the idle cash is channelled into Centro.

Upon enacting of the new constitution rather than bring unity where any ciitizen of Kenya could live and work in  any place in Kenya it did the opposite . Take example There was a sizable number of Kambas in Garisa they self evacuated before 2017 election - Same can be said of  other counties . The only melting point of Kenyans seems to be Nairobi .
Actually the only solution of this is counties should be encouraged to generate their own revenue and a formula made in such a way for the counties generating substantial revenue should be rewarded equivalently

[Kadudu]

I can only second your opinion.
Take a case of Coast counties. Very poor infrastructure despite boosting the economy with tourismism and the locals being labeled as lazy. Coast counties should be allowed to keep part of the proceeds from tourism and even from the port of Mombasa. Counties should also keep part of VAT collected in their counties. This way counties like Kiambu will get a fair share of the money generated in their counties too.

Upon enacting of the new constitution rather than bring unity where any ciitizen of Kenya could live and work in  any place in Kenya it did the opposite . Take example There was a sizable number of Kambas in Garisa they self evacuated before 2017 election - Same can be said of  other counties . The only melting point of Kenyans seems to be Nairobi .
Actually the only solution of this is counties should be encouraged to generate their own revenue and a formula made in such a way for the counties generating substantial revenue should be rewarded equivalently