Voter roll by tribe-GEMA tyranny

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.

It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.

Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others

There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to

Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.

I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic.  They speak the same language.  Which is a dubious standard.  Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do.  Rwanda for example.  Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is.  Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language.  Ethnicity can be a complex issue.  But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.

It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.

Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others

There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to

Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.

I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic.  They speak the same language.  Which is a dubious standard.  Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do.  Rwanda for example.  Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is.  Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language.  Ethnicity can be a complex issue.  But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.

Kalenjins see themselves as one people, that is all that matters. They vote as a block, they hunt as unit. I don't discount the unifying force of Moi on the Kalenjins, for Kikuyus it probably was the terrible shared memory of persecution at the hands of the British that unified them and later Jomo Kenyatta. But these alliances are fragile.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.

It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.

Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others

There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to

Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.

I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic.  They speak the same language.  Which is a dubious standard.  Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do.  Rwanda for example.  Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is.  Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language.  Ethnicity can be a complex issue.  But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.

Kalenjins see themselves as one people, that is all that matters. They vote as a block, they hunt as unit. I don't discount the unifying force of Moi on the Kalenjins, for Kikuyus it probably was the terrible shared memory of persecution at the hands of the British that unified them and later Jomo Kenyatta. But these alliances are fragile.

Can't argue with that.  Most precolonial Kenyan tribes were not much of a unit beyond a couple of villages.  There was exactly one Kingdom in the entire country.
 But the colonials with a better viewpoint could easily see who was related to who. 

[RV Pundit]

Of 6.3m kalenjin..1.5m referred themselves as kalenjin while others choose their subtribe.The subtribe have same language and culture..and consciousness as one people

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Of 6.3m kalenjin..1.5m referred themselves as kalenjin while others choose their subtribe.The subtribe have same language and culture..and consciousness as one people

Pundit, is it true Moi was trying to coalesce Kamatusas into a tribe or at least grouping like GEMA ?

[RV Pundit]

What moi did with others in 1940 was to replace "Nandi Speaking people" with Kalenjin. Otherwise by 18th century - mzungu had studied Kalenjin - and put them in a basket called Nandi speaking people. That is why most kalenjin are reffered to as Wa-nandi. Kalenjin was coined in 1940s - not during Moi era - by alliance high school kids - who wanted to correct the misconception that all Kalenjin were nandis.
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What did Kalenjin refer themselves to before arrival of Mzungu (like Kipsigis to Keiyo) -  Bikaab kutit - people of the same mouth - others would say Bikaab Cheko - people of milk.

Pundit, is it true Moi was trying to coalesce Kamatusas into a tribe or at least grouping like GEMA ?

[RV Pundit]

Kirinyanga was in Embu and Eastern until 1966 when Kenyatta wanted to expand Central. Central was 3 district of Kiambu, Muranga and Nyeri. Kenyatta took Kirinyanga from eastern (splitting embu) - and Nyandaraua (splitting Nakuru) from rift valley. Embus are so inter-mixed with Kirinyangas - the borders don't make much sense.

So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.

[RV Pundit]

Also Kalenjin subtribe were free to move to another sub-tribe and settle. Intermarriages were common.

[Kadudu]

How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.

Pundit is  missing the point here,this is not population census,this is number of registered voters as per IEBC register.There is no co-relation between the two.Kalenjins and luhyas may be more than luos population wise but are trailing luos in number of registered voters.
And by the way,i have usually doubted that census data,more so the luhya and kalenjin  numbers.

[RV Pundit]

Not anymore - kalenjin are now hustling - in towns.

How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.

[Nowayhaha]

When did Luos overtake kalenjin and luhya...who died.

Propaganda. What matters is voter turnout. Luhya are the 2nd largest tribe but when it comes out to voting Kambas overtake them .hence the reason Musalia and Mudavadi cant be DP candidates.

[Njuri Ncheke]

The problem we have in Kenya is many kabilas don't have their history properly studied and recorded, the best time for this was early 1900c when bazungu came he did his best but obviously lackluster kabilas werw overlooked , then another chance was when we got Uhuru 1963 these histories should have been archived but what we have in national archives is very shallow and intertwined and lumped together. Sad most kabilas have their history lost forever

[Nowayhaha]

Kirinyanga was in Embu and Eastern until 1966 when Kenyatta wanted to expand Central. Central was 3 district of Kiambu, Muranga and Nyeri. Kenyatta took Kirinyanga from eastern (splitting embu) - and Nyandaraua (splitting Nakuru) from rift valley. Embus are so inter-mixed with Kirinyangas - the borders don't make much sense.

So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.

You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot

[Nowayhaha]

Not anymore - kalenjin are now hustling - in towns.

How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.

Another lie, very few Kalenjins in Mombasa and Nairobi apart from Baracks, even in Nakuru they are very few. You find them in eldoret which is and rural town say like Meru and also there Luos and Kikuyus have a substantial number

[Nefertiti]

2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.

It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.

Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others

There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to

Yup. Kalenjin or Luhya are the equivalent of GEMA. If you factor Kikuyu alone then you should equally factor Nandi or Bukusu. Meru are not about to dump Kikuyu any more than Kipsigis are about to dump Nandi.

GEMA are by far the most cohesive, organized and resourceful group.

[RV Pundit]

That I don't know. There were old provinces - like NFD. Kericho for example was in Nyanza. The old province was not tribal. The British had almost haphazardly split Kenya.

In 1962 - The British hired a Prof of a surveyor from the UK to demarcate Kenya into provinces and districts - folks were unhappy with old provinces and districts.

That commission went around asking Kenyans where they wanted. Naturally, Kenyans wanted to remain with their tribes. Kipsigis for example wanted to get out of Nyanza and join fellow Kalenjin.

In the end - 1962 came up with 8 provinces - and 43-45 districts (Bomet and Nyamira were added by Moi - I think Homabaya or Nyandaraua were covered by Kenyatta-Jaramogi). It also came up with 8 provinces.

This was largely a fair process - tribal demarcation if you will - at the district level.

In 1966 - Kenyatta and Jaramogi - connive to alter boundaries. Nyandarua was carved from Nakuru and taken to central. Kirinyanga was carved out of Embu and Eastern and taken to Central. Jaramogi or Mboya got Kisumu split to Homabay.

In the early 1990s - Moi also started. He split Kisii into Nyamir and Kericho into Bomet.  Giving us the current 47 counties

And then avalanche started. All which were declared illegal later because I think they didn't follow the law.

You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot

[RV Pundit]

1962 Prof Foster-Sutton Commission: Kenya Regional Boundaries Commission. Gave us the tribal tapestry that we wanted.

[Nowayhaha]

That I don't know. There were old provinces - like NFD. Kericho for example was in Nyanza. The old province was not tribal. The British had almost haphazardly split Kenya.

In 1962 - The British hired a Prof of a surveyor from the UK to demarcate Kenya into provinces and districts - folks were unhappy with old provinces and districts.

That commission went around asking Kenyans where they wanted. Naturally, Kenyans wanted to remain with their tribes. Kipsigis for example wanted to get out of Nyanza and join fellow Kalenjin.

In the end - 1962 came up with 8 provinces - and 43-45 districts (Bomet and Nyamira were added by Moi - I think Homabaya or Nyandaraua were covered by Kenyatta-Jaramogi). It also came up with 8 provinces.

This was largely a fair process - tribal demarcation if you will - at the district level.

In 1966 - Kenyatta and Jaramogi - connive to alter boundaries. Nyandarua was carved from Nakuru and taken to central. Kirinyanga was carved out of Embu and Eastern and taken to Central. Jaramogi or Mboya got Kisumu split to Homabay.

In the early 1990s - Moi also started. He split Kisii into Nyamir and Kericho into Bomet.  Giving us the current 47 counties

And then avalanche started. All which were declared illegal later because I think they didn't follow the law.

You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot

Pundit
In legco representative of Central represented the following districts. Dont rewrite history. Fyi during the 2010 constitution writing Martha Karua had managed to put this issue as part of the agenda and consesus was it was to be revisited after promulgation of the constituion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Mate
Mate ran in the 1957, winning the CentralKenya seat for the LegCo,[4] against former nominated MP Eliud Mathu as well as such politicians as Jeremiah Nyagah.[5] Mate won fifty one percent of the vote ahead of Elliud Mathu (30 percent) and Nyagah (12 percent).[6][7] (Central province is now composed of Meru, Tharaka Nithi, Embu, Kirinyaga, Nyeri, Laikipia Kiambu and Murang'a counties.) During Mate's term of office, he served in minority KADU government of Ronald Ngala in various capacities including Minister of Health, Education and Social Services.[8]

[RV Pundit]

Nowayaha,
1) Understand old provinces and district - pre-1963 - colonial era -Kericho for example was in Nyanza - Western was Northern Nyanza.

There were six provinces - Nyanza, Rift valley, Central, Southern, Northern and Coast.

2) Province post-1962 - 1963 - this is province and district we know. Prof Sutton commission. 8 provinces - Nairobi and Northern/Southern into North Eastern and Eastern - Nyanza split into Western and Nyanza.
I am not sure why Embu and Meru went to Eastern?

3) Post-1963 - minor alteration.

[Nefertiti]

Based on the current IEBC register
1.KIKUYU-4.8M
2.LUO-2.7M
3.KALENJIN-2.4M
4.LUHYA-2.2M
5.KAMBA-2M
6.MERU-1M
7.KISII-0.9
8.SOMALIS-0.7
9.MAASAIS-0.5
10.MIJIKENDA-0.5
11.EMBU-0.3
12.OTHERS-0.8
TOTAL=19.6

Looks kinda credible but am assuming its an estimate it will change by 2022. Somalis and other herders have higher population but its below 18 and many wont make into 18 due to several factors causing there life expectancy to be low,thats why Merus and Kikuyus have that high registered voters as the demographic is mostly above 18. Actually Meru has the highest life expectancy in Kenya.

Yep. Also because GEMA headcount is dwindling- as they turn the curve they have more adults than kids. Expect them to dominate another 2 or 3 decades. Kalenjin and Somali will dominate in 2060 - when devolution will be 60%. Pundit struggles with this reality.