The Columbus Myth. How Italians became White by abandoning Blacks

[KenyanPlato]

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html

Fuck racism is toxic

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Italians are white, they are not WASPS aka the standard whites of America, but how do you become white by abandoning blacks?

BS. They just make up theories as they go. It is said the Irish were not considered white back in history of US, I don't buy it.

Every form of hatred is toxic, racism is just sexier. Tribalism, casteism, clannism, religious discrimination and other forms of hatred sting just as much and even more. Human beings have a biological need to hate it seems. Only those enlightened Buddha type folks transcend it, they've let go of their ego and other base passions including sexuality. I aspire to such state

There is more hate in Kenya than in US. There is also more police brutality. At least here there are avenues for airing out bad apples and some semblance of law and order. The world is one big zoo. Glad I don't have offspring, once I'm gone that is it.

[KenyanPlato]

Italians are white, they are not WASPS aka the standard whites of America, but how do you become white by abandoning blacks?

BS. They just make up theories as they go. It is said the Irish were not considered white back in history of US, I don't buy it.

Every form of hatred is toxic, racism is just sexier. Tribalism, casteism, clannism, religious discrimination and other forms of hatred sting just as much and even more. Human beings have a biological need to hate it seems. Only those enlightened Buddha type folks transcend it, they've let go of their ego and other base passions including sexuality. I aspire to such state

There is more hate in Kenya than in US. There is also more police brutality. At least here there are avenues for airing out bad apples and some semblance of law and order. The world is one big zoo. Glad I don't have offspring, once I'm gone that is it.

Did you read the article. Italians were considered Blacks especially Southern Italians. Post 1892 italians were brought into White power and Columbus mythology was the way into the founding of the nation. This article should help anyone understand why the average Italian is a racist scumbag. Their community wants to put as much distance as it can from African Americans so that they do not lose their white status.. You see Whiteness is America is ridiculous. In Europe your ethnicity determines how are treated but in America is RACE

[RV Pundit]

British-and northern cousins - are the whitest - so it makes sense. Irish, Italians, French, Greek- etc are like Latinos - black hair - and of course lots of black (Arabic-berber - northern Africa) blood for centuries of interaction in Meditteranean

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Did you read the article. Italians were considered Blacks especially Southern Italians. Post 1892 italians were brought into White power and Columbus mythology was the way into the founding of the nation. This article should help anyone understand why the average Italian is a racist scumbag. Their community wants to put as much distance as it can from African Americans so that they do not lose their white status.. You see Whiteness is America is ridiculous. In Europe your ethnicity determines how are treated but in America is RACE

Plausible, definitely not considered white but not Negro black.

Yeah I've never liked Italian Americans, they give off that scumbag vibe. Cops of Italian descent in New York and New Jersey prey on blacks too its well known. Greasy high strung short muffakas with a chip on their shoulders. Cubans are the same, notoriously anti black. Hispanics wanting to assimilate self identify as white now even though they like muindis.

Whiteness is a fetish in America. Einstein was definitely right about racism being a disease of the Caucasian race.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

British-and northern cousins - are the whitest - so it makes sense. Irish, Italians, French, Greek- etc are like Latinos - black hair - and of course lots of black (Arabic-berber - northern Africa) blood for centuries of interaction in Meditteranean

In skin depigmentation the Irish are the whitest, sort of how South Sudanese are the darkest blacks, Celts are the most depigmented of all whites. They don't tan, generally have red hair or red beards and freckles. Brits are a mix bag, the English are fair but not as fair as the Scots, Germans or Nordics, Welsh are Celts but they also have swarthy individuals. Northern French are lighter than many Germans, Southern French look more Mediterranean with olive complexions. Greeks are a different matter, they are closer to Arabs than Europeans, they not even of the same haplotype as majority of Europeans.

[RV Pundit]

Right the celt - not the irish - generally as you north - the skin becomes more pale/white.

In skin depigmentation the Irish are the whitest, sort of how South Sudanese are the darkest blacks, Celts are the most depigmented of all whites. They don't tan, generally have red hair or red beards and freckles. Brits are a mix bag, the English are fair but not as fair as the Scots, Germans or Nordics, Welsh are Celts but they also have swarthy individuals. Northern French are lighter than many Germans, Southern French look more Mediterranean with olive complexions. Greeks are a different matter, they are closer to Arabs than Europeans, they not even of the same haplotype as majority of Europeans.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html

Fuck racism is toxic

To date, no US President, bar Obama, has been anything but an Anglo-Saxon.  JFK was the first Irish and Roman Catholic President.  If Biden wins, he becomes the second.  No Italian American has ever held that seat.

@Arcadian_Dreamer, yes they are white because historically America ultimately has conferred whiteness to groups from Europe.  Partly to offset population pressures from blacks especially in the South.

Today as the WASP population declines, Arabs like Ralph Nader and Steve Jobs, not to mention Iranians are accepted as white as long as they Americanize their culture(including names).

[KenyanPlato]

Did you read the article. Italians were considered Blacks especially Southern Italians. Post 1892 italians were brought into White power and Columbus mythology was the way into the founding of the nation. This article should help anyone understand why the average Italian is a racist scumbag. Their community wants to put as much distance as it can from African Americans so that they do not lose their white status.. You see Whiteness is America is ridiculous. In Europe your ethnicity determines how are treated but in America is RACE

Plausible, definitely not considered white but not Negro black.

Yeah I've never liked Italian Americans, they give off that scumbag vibe. Cops of Italian descent in New York and New Jersey prey on blacks too its well known. Greasy high strung short muffakas with a chip on their shoulders. Cubans are the same, notoriously anti black. Hispanics wanting to assimilate self identify as white now even though they like muindis.

Whiteness is a fetish in America. Einstein was definitely right about racism being a disease of the Caucasian race.

There are claims that southern italians had contacts with morocco moors. This gave them the Negroid features.  Italian Americans just too confused and have a chip over their shoulder. I have had italian friends and it is hard not to smell their hate of others. It is something culturally socialized tp them.

White hispanics are toxic group. Especially those dominican mulatos they are in denial. I just got new dominican neighbor. He is the biggest idiot. He fakes his openess but i have been able to catch him. You just mention a hatian and you see mathafackas go ape shit on racism..

It is good to really understand this complex history

[RV Pundit]

Yes I remember working with Italian American he was a piece of shiet