What is the best way to talk of a group people out of hate

[KenyanPlato]

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I know south African went for TRJC. This didn't reduce hate but at least it created an accounting of it. How in a place like USA do you talk the deplorable racists out of the hate they have? Are there studies that have been done on this? I actually listened a TED talk on sunday on NPR and it was talking of how racism has actually been very costly to America. It is because of Racism that America has not invested in public goods and continues to pursue economic idiotic policies like Redlining. As matter of fact the talk said that without racism sub-prime economic crisis wouldnot have have happened. The sub prime product was designed for POC to harm them economically.

How does a fucked up country like USA get out of this rut?

I do not see USA lasting 50 years in the current state

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I know south African went for TRJC. This didn't reduce hate but at least it created an accounting of it. How in a place like USA do you talk the deplorable racists out of the hate they have? Are there studies that have been done on this? I actually listened a TED talk on sunday on NPR and it was talking of how racism has actually been very costly to America. It is because of Racism that America has not invested in public goods and continues to pursue economic idiotic policies like Redlining. As matter of fact the talk said that without racism sub-prime economic crisis wouldnot have have happened. The sub prime product was designed for POC to harm them economically.

How does a fucked up country like USA get out of this rut?

I do not see USA lasting 50 years in the current state

Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US.  I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population.  Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries.  The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.

For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks.  As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans.  The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism.  Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump.  The contrast is stark.

[KenyanPlato]

It have actually taken me a long time to realize what you stated. You were the first person to make me think about it. It is not common knowledge. The millennial have no power. They may be coopted into the system just to get ahead. Boomers were progressive then old age came around and they joined the rat race. I am afraid the core 39% deplorable wont turn around

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US.  I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population.  Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries. The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.

For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks.  As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans.  The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism.  Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump.  The contrast is stark.

I don't think so. Otherwise states with 100% white populations would be socialist by now. Americans love laissez faire capitalism and minimal government intervention. It has something to do with their history and their make up. Of course some of them don't want socialism to spite the minorities but it is a mistake to characterize Americans' love of libertarianism as primarily a misanthropic impulse.

[KenyanPlato]

which state has 100% pure white?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US.  I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population.  Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries. The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.

For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks.  As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans.  The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism.  Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump.  The contrast is stark.

I don't think so. Otherwise states with 100% white populations would be socialist by now. Americans love laissez faire capitalism and minimal government intervention. It has something to do with their history and their make up. Of course some of them don't want socialism to spite the minorities but it is a mistake to characterize Americans' love of libertarianism as primarily a misanthropic impulse.

But it is.  In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse.  Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance.  And other freebies.  But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want.  A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not.  It's either Federal or nothing.  It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.

[KenyanPlato]

Another Gem; i will hopefully read the book. My questions are still unanswered

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

which state has 100% pure white?

All those flyover states are effectively 100% jungus.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

But it is.  In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse.  Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance.  And other freebies.  But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want.  A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not.  It's either Federal or nothing.  It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.

Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Another Gem; i will hopefully read the book. My questions are still unanswered

What is the best way to talk of a group people out of hate?


The answer is there is no way. None

The only effective remedy for hate is racial separation, which was the norm for millennia until they showed up on our shores and started meddling in our affairs, black Americans will have to eke out a few states in the South.

The solution is global Apartheid.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

which state has 100% pure white?

All those flyover states are effectively 100% jungus.

This is demonstrably not true.  In fact the whitest state is Maine, in the North East.  Flyover states if by that you mean the mid-west, had a massive influx of Negroes from the south earlier.  More recently it's been Hispanic.  Some of blackest cities on the continent are in the Midwest.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

But it is.  In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse.  Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance.  And other freebies.  But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want.  A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not.  It's either Federal or nothing.  It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.

Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.

You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh.  Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh.  Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.

It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.

[Dear Mami]

But it is.  In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse.  Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance.  And other freebies.  But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want.  A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not.  It's either Federal or nothing.  It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.

Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.

You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh.  Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.

The majority socialist views of voters on individual policies was in fact one of the arguments progressives were making against the establishment narrative that voters wouldn't vote for those policies during the primary. There are NUMEROUS polls that show that most Americans, even most Republicans, support those policies, especially healthcare. I have no idea how they tolerate the cognitive dissonance come voting day but their preferences are very clearly documented by now, in countless polls. The vast majority of Democrats along with a slight majority of Republicans.

[Dear Mami]

You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh.  Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.

It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.

"It is truth!" he says, while comfortably rubbishing numerous polls in favor of anecdotes.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh.  Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.

It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.

"It is truth!" he says, while comfortably rubbishing numerous polls in favor of anecdotes.

I know.  Arcadian seems intelligent.  Which is all the more puzzling.  4 buddies *SMDH*.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

The majority socialist views of voters on individual policies was in fact one of the arguments progressives were making against the establishment narrative that voters wouldn't vote for those policies during the primary. There are NUMEROUS polls that show that most Americans, even most Republicans, support those policies, especially healthcare. I have no idea how they tolerate the cognitive dissonance come voting day but their preferences are very clearly documented by now, in countless polls. The vast majority of Democrats along with a slight majority of Republicans.

Bollocks, they don't support socialized healthcare.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

I know.  Arcadian seems intelligent.  Which is all the more puzzling.  4 buddies *SMDH*.

I was just using those four people to illustrate my point, there is silent majority of all races that doesn't buy the liberal fluff of free lunch and stuff. You guys would be surprised just how much Americans like the status quo. I was very happy when Biden triumphed over Bernie. Trump folks are deflated now, they badly wanted Bernie because they could hammer him.

American healthcare is fine, they just need to remove employer based health insurance.

[KenyanPlato]

A_D you are a NUT case,, No need to split hairs with that .. Even in Black states only hate exists.. So total separation won't work .. Remember there is no time in recent history that people have not mixed.. Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

A_D you are a NUT case,, No need to split hairs with that .. Even in Black states only hate exists.. So total separation won't work .. Remember there is no time in recent history that people have not mixed.. Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade

Bury your head in the sand, see where that takes you.

I always laugh at the anti racism initiatives of European football leagues, it is so hollow and meaningless because they are fighting human nature. Crackers are getting more racist and uppity not less. Same way tribalism is getting worse in Kenya, in the past tribal identity was fluid but now it is fixed, it is so bad the only solution is confederation of tribes ala Switzerland. Hate diminishes when you have a homogeneous society.

Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade

The earliest non black outsiders were the Arab and Portuguese slavers who came to conquer and enslave blacks. See, any time two races meet trouble ensues, struggle for domination and competition for resources.