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The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:18:37 PM »
The man lost his car - much the same way Moi lost his Range Rover. Then he read in the papers that the car had exploded at Pangani police station. He did what a responsible citizen does - went to the police to ask about his car. He had already filed a report of the theft weeks earlier - unlike Moi who did not!

In decent countries, the man would be treated as a witness since it is an established fact that terrorists steal cars they go ahead to blow. Not in this case! The Kenya Police decided that this man was so foolish that when he decided to be a terrorist, he went ahead to buy a car, register it in the names of his wife and himself before giving it to co-conspirators to blow. For his "crimes", he was locked up along with his wife (she was released) and later charged with terrorism.

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Ahmed Dugal, the owner of a saloon car that exploded during the April blast at Pangani Police Station in Nairobi has been acquitted of terrorism-related charges for lack of evidence.

The prosecution failed to link him to the terror suspect who was strapped with an explosive and who died when the car exploded during the April 23 incident.

Mr Ali had been charged with sheltering one of the terrorists who died in the explosion and offering his car for use in carrying out the attack.

Two weeks ago, investigators acknowledged that they had failed to establish a connection between Mr Dugal and Mr Hajir Abdow Kassim, who blew himself up in the car.

Chief Investigator Cyrus Ikade admitted that the owner of the car presented himself to anti-terrorism police officers after the incident.

He also conceded that there had been no intention to disguise the particulars of ownership of the vehicle that revealed it belonged to Mr Dugal and his wife.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 04:21:55 PM »
That is general mode of operation of kenya security forces.Thank goodness confessions and statements taken from police through torture are no longer admitted as evidence.

Police reforms need a lot of thinking; Sadly nobody cares about it.

I think apart from devolving petty crimes to counties; we need to hold OCPD accountable through performance contracts;

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2014, 04:32:41 PM »
That is general mode of operation of kenya security forces.
There is a way of improving the average intelligence of the police force by raising their education. For example university graduates should have preference over fourth form leavers. That way, we can reduce the number of idiots inn the force and increase the level of basic intelligence without raising the intake requirements. It is simple during the intake, a degree should command 45% with a masters adding 5%. Secondary school certificate can add 10%. Other things physical fitness etc should grant 5% each max.  A degree holder will therefore start off with 55%. In effect Master degree holders would gain direct entry.

Every year, the NPSC should publish the professions it will be targeting for recruitment the following year.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 04:35:06 PM »
This is my favorite.
In my opinion Kenya police are trained thugs with guns. They have the colonial style mentality that they try to apply to current times. They are given a gun and told to shoot anyone they suspect of commiting a crime and call the person a thug. Problem is they are not accountable to anyone.
How can a CID rob someone, and then sign a document with a lawyer to refund the money they had robbed of them? Sad thing, even the bosses dont investigate.

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 04:40:21 PM »
Parliament itself should investigate this things, but the body is full of illiterates who run around in alligator shoes and Italian suits trying to impress the public while at the same time serving their political masters.

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2014, 04:46:16 PM »
Why are we grappling when we can simply copy-paste what working police forces are doing in developed world are doing. I think we just need to hire  300 xpats police officer attached to every police station to try to rework the system. Or maybe 10-20 top management like we did with KPLC's Manitoba guys.We can get them from New Zeland or Singapore or Japan...any country without ulterior motives who we can entrust with police work.

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2014, 05:10:42 PM »
Seconded 200%

Why are we grappling when we can simply copy-paste what working police forces are doing in developed world are doing. I think we just need to hire  300 xpats police officer attached to every police station to try to rework the system. Or maybe 10-20 top management like we did with KPLC's Manitoba guys.We can get them from New Zeland or Singapore or Japan...any country without ulterior motives who we can entrust with police work.
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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 05:15:02 PM »
Absolutely.
Problem in Kenya is hiring people who dont think outside the box. So you get the same crap over and over being recycled hoping for change that will never come.

Seconded 200%

Why are we grappling when we can simply copy-paste what working police forces are doing in developed world are doing. I think we just need to hire  300 xpats police officer attached to every police station to try to rework the system. Or maybe 10-20 top management like we did with KPLC's Manitoba guys.We can get them from New Zeland or Singapore or Japan...any country without ulterior motives who we can entrust with police work.

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 05:15:53 PM »
That is general mode of operation of kenya security forces.
There is a way of improving the average intelligence of the police force by raising their education. For example university graduates should have preference over fourth form leavers. That way, we can reduce the number of idiots inn the force and increase the level of basic intelligence without raising the intake requirements. It is simple during the intake, a degree should command 45% with a masters adding 5%. Secondary school certificate can add 10%. Other things physical fitness etc should grant 5% each max.  A degree holder will therefore start off with 55%. In effect Master degree holders would gain direct entry.

Every year, the NPSC should publish the professions it will be targeting for recruitment the following year.
Will college grads sign up for 8,000 a month to stick their necks out every other day?
Just my 0.02 Kshs. wave  ;)

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 05:25:37 PM »
Will college grads sign up for 8,000 a month to stick their necks out every other day?
Right now, they are turning up by the hundreds at recruitment centres and being subjected to matusi and discrimination by poorly educated recruiters. Start by using a private firm or a university to do the recruitment. If they allow corruption they be excluded from future contracts. The Criminology Department of any university can do the recruitment. Think outside the ebola contaminated box!
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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 05:29:39 PM »
Yes. Anything out of the ordinary.
Right now, they are turning up by the hundreds at recruitment centres and being subjected to matusi and discrimination by poorly educated recruiters. Start by using a private firm or a university to do the recruitment. If they allow corruption they be excluded from future contracts. The Criminology Department of any university can do the recruitment. Think outside the ebola contaminated box!

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 05:45:35 PM »
Will college grads sign up for 8,000 a month to stick their necks out every other day?
Right now, they are turning up by the hundreds at recruitment centres and being subjected to matusi and discrimination by poorly educated recruiters. Start by using a private firm or a university to do the recruitment. If they allow corruption they be excluded from future contracts. The Criminology Department of any university can do the recruitment. Think outside the ebola contaminated box!
Is that a reference to Africa or my mind? The ebola quip makes your figure of speech hard to understand. Unless they up the Police pay, methinks very few college grads will be interested in that, at least for the long haul.
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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 07:32:49 PM »
Is that a reference to Africa or my mind? The ebola quip makes your figure of speech hard to understand. Unless they up the Police pay, methinks very few college grads will be interested in that, at least for the long haul.
Not directed at you. Sorry for the vague formulation. I meant exactly what Pundit stated below: We should start looking at things with new glasses. The old way of doing things is rotten. It is infested with ebola.

Why on earth would you send form two leavers to recruit policemen of the future? This is a task to be put to tender and Universities and specialized institutions like Accounting firms - with a reputation to protect - encouraged to tender. It may cost less. Aptitude tests to prevent psychopaths from entering the force would help.
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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 07:41:18 PM »

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 08:11:11 PM »
Testing for psycopaths is a good idea! :( There is one cop I know about who I am 100% sure is a psycopath. He thrives in ghettos all over Nairobi where crime is a serious problem. People there all think of him as a hero. The man has killed---it is widely told--hundreds of youth, point blank. They are all criminals, so people believe him to be some kind of saint. But there is no way he is normal. If all the legends that have grown around his name are true. I am sure he is a psycopath. A clever one who knows exactly who to kill to keep people supporting his addiction.

On a different note, I think psycopaths are the explanation for legends of vampires, witches and the like in primitive human society. There was no way to understand serial killers and other doers of shocking acts back in the day, so these supernatural explanations were provided. The reason I say this is that psycopathy exists in all human populations (in differing percentages) yet you dont find it in the folklore or common beliefs of the people. So how did they explain the inevitable psycopathic acts when they did happen? Just a curiosity of mine. Off topic, I know.  :D
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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 08:44:45 PM »
All those who profess to love to live in a lawful society should condemn such acts. This man was arrested just because he is Somali and labelled a criminal until the courts said "NO". Remember, all govts are corrupt. Its the degree of corruption that determines whether it can be labelled as serious.

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2014, 07:38:37 AM »
That is general mode of operation of kenya security forces.
There is a way of improving the average intelligence of the police force by raising their education. For example university graduates should have preference over fourth form leavers. That way, we can reduce the number of idiots inn the force and increase the level of basic intelligence without raising the intake requirements. It is simple during the intake, a degree should command 45% with a masters adding 5%. Secondary school certificate can add 10%. Other things physical fitness etc should grant 5% each max.  A degree holder will therefore start off with 55%. In effect Master degree holders would gain direct entry.

Every year, the NPSC should publish the professions it will be targeting for recruitment the following year.
Will college grads sign up for 8,000 a month to stick their necks out every other day?

Omollo those quieing to join the force are mainly in it for the corrupt gains.  There is no one chasing a police job for the paltry pay.  Any expat employed to stop the gravy train will wind up dead. The stakes are just too high

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Re: The Dangers of Being a Somali in Kenya
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2014, 05:38:16 PM »
This is the force that is expected to enforce the law people.
Disband the whole thing and start a blank page..

"Some senior police officers in Kisumu are afraid of taking a junior CID officer to court after he threatened to name some who were involved in criminal activities with him. The junior officer, accused of robbing an AP officer and a former teacher of Sh650,000 that he withdrew from banks, dared his seniors to present him for an identification parade. Corridors has learned that the seniors are afraid of charging the junior with robbery with violence as they will be "victimised".