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Offline RV Pundit

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I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« on: May 22, 2020, 09:57:36 AM »
Look like this Baite Murume is ready to roll.

Gov will no longer set maize price and NCPB will become commercial wing.

KTDA and Tea auction up for some serious reforms.

THESE ARE THE KIND OF REFORMS WE NEED.

Not Raila BBI BBI NONSENSE.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/new-tea-regulations-sent-to-AG-office/3946234-5559988-o81tk5z/index.html

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2020, 01:13:50 PM »
Munya is a doer you can't compare what he did as governor to kiraitu who has plundered the county. Munya problem is arrogance. Actually munya won the vote and it is well known kiraitu with Rutos help rigged him out. That beef munya has for Ruto up to date.  Ruto was busy destroying PNU but munya warned him his battles are yet to come very prophetic. The Major threat to Ruto in Meru is Munya.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2020, 01:35:22 PM »
I am starting to pay attention to him now. His arrogance is good to get things moving. Everyone blames Ruto for rigging them - even Martha Karua. Look like Ruto is the new Raila. Munya was not part of Jubilee - he run under PNU - and only the IEBC could have rigged him out.
Munya is a doer you can't compare what he did as governor to kiraitu who has plundered the county. Munya problem is arrogance. Actually munya won the vote and it is well known kiraitu with Rutos help rigged him out. That beef munya has for Ruto up to date.  Ruto was busy destroying PNU but munya warned him his battles are yet to come very prophetic. The Major threat to Ruto in Meru is Munya.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2020, 01:50:55 PM »
Well the truth is Ruto was behind his woes at PNU and loss to Kiraitu. That side Munya can work and good thing about him he put people at heart during his time as governor most positions including cleaners and park attendants were Tigania. Tigania never enjoyed power like they did under Munya Imentis were pissed big time. And even now as trade CS he gave enough Tigania in the boards. They call him Laingo in Rural Tigania,i think meaning champion sic? He has now taken the money allocated for miraa 1B and created a sacco which is good stuff because these miraa growers are dunderheads they can't think properly with money they will just squander its. Honestly there are not many bright Tiganias out there.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 02:31:57 PM »
I had a side chick from Tigania - east or west - one where Mpuri come from - and they didn't stand Munya - I guess east v west thing. I really liked that girl - but I was married.
Well the truth is Ruto was behind his woes at PNU and loss to Kiraitu. That side Munya can work and good thing about him he put people at heart during his time as governor most positions including cleaners and park attendants were Tigania. Tigania never enjoyed power like they did under Munya Imentis were pissed big time. And even now as trade CS he gave enough Tigania in the boards. They call him Laingo in Rural Tigania,i think meaning champion sic? He has now taken the money allocated for miraa 1B and created a sacco which is good stuff because these miraa growers are dunderheads they can't think properly with money they will just squander its. Honestly there are not many bright Tiganias out there.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 02:51:47 PM »
Punda am sure you serviced your rungu and her pot properly which is very normal once mileage has been reached. Tigania girls are sweet they have a kind of body language i saw in nandi women or let me say masaai. Yes Tigania west have an hostility with East they dont see eye to eye.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 03:16:56 PM »
Yeap, she could pass for a Kalenjin; I think titania are mixed with Maasai :) - and she had a good heart.
Punda am sure you serviced your rungu and her pot properly which is very normal once mileage has been reached. Tigania girls are sweet they have a kind of body language i saw in nandi women or let me say masaai. Yes Tigania west have an hostility with East they dont see eye to eye.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 08:20:35 PM »
Pundit
I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2020, 08:28:12 PM »
Here is the video by KTDA lawyer


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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2020, 08:45:02 PM »
I agree. I have seen many small private factories in our place, really struggle against KTDA. Even the multinationals cannot match KTDA. Like you say the problem is overproduction and probably bulk sales. Maybe we need to bite the bullet and outlaw bulk sales...and start packaging tea for those markets outside kenya...like SriLanka did. Kenya already has market leadership - and if we say - we ain't selling bulk tea...then it will be nice.

But reforms however bad are necessary. Just like KTDA changed to Kenya Tea Agency.

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I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2020, 09:23:19 PM »
KTDA has the infrastructure.. I think what it needs is more strengthning and help for trade and industry ministry to look for more markets and increase local consumption. We need to go for ice teas and other variations especially for the hot areas of Kenya like coast

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2020, 09:32:16 PM »
Munya is okay. Former ktda boss now dead. Owned imenti house became a billionaire out of poor tea farmers money. Change is needed and anyway kenya of today everyone does what extent of their power reaches.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2020, 12:19:12 PM »
Pundit
I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee
Some of the proposals are completely misplaced. The proposals are meant to get Tea brokers more earnings by handling all the Tea sales. Government shouldn't be forcing tea producers to sell via auction or direct sales. In addition there's a proposal to limit the number of factories a broker can represent, this is meant to give new brokers business.  Tea used locally is taxed(vatable) while export isn't, this should be addressed to encourage local value addition.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2020, 08:45:16 AM »
Munya is clueless, cooperatives don't need to be saddled with whopping 5.7b debt https://nation.africa/kenya/news/kenya-seeks-sh5-7bn-to-boost-800-coffee-firms-1937246 . Cooperatives are collapsing as new aggregators come up with new business models. The least and only thing to do is liberalize the sector. Once members abandon cooperatives who's going to pay that debt that for sure will be stolen?

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2020, 12:53:36 PM »
Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2020, 09:26:30 AM »
Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
Which framework? Kiunjuri was just plain incompetent. The guy had a chance to reform agriculture by limiting government involvement in it. It's during his tenure that government had ridiculous proposals like banning animal manure  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001318765/state-introduces-punitive-regulations-for-farmers

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2020, 04:58:41 PM »
Munya has got nothing to do with it Sir. It's Bidco and that guy with his NGO.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/counties/Bidco-set-to-buy-Sh120m-sunflower-seeds-meru/4003142-5623166-n9w3ol/index.html
Munya doing some good stuff on the home front.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2020, 07:53:20 AM »
Munya has got nothing to do with it Sir. It's Bidco and that guy with his NGO.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/counties/Bidco-set-to-buy-Sh120m-sunflower-seeds-meru/4003142-5623166-n9w3ol/index.html
Munya doing some good stuff on the home front.
Kenya has become a regional edible oil manufacturer power house. However that reign is tenuous cause Kenya imports most of the raw materials. Western and part of eastern can produce the raw materials to create a fully integrated industry.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2020, 03:32:45 PM »
I was surprised that bidco imports everything rv and areas like turbo can be used to produce sunflower