Garliv & Pundit - back in GEMA grassroots

[Nefertiti]

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[RV Pundit]

Uhuru is campaigning exactly for what? He is finishing his term.

[Garliv]

Robina,
You are joking. When i express my analysis on grassroot support i do not do so because of some media videos. For example, i can even tell you the real names of some of those in that video. And who organized the event. And where they were heading.

Not blowing trumpets, but some of us can be in some meetings in "high powered offices"  with some dunderheads misguided by temporary powers they presently exercise (and hence think they KNOW what people want) and the next hour would be chatting with Mungikis, idps, and other riff-raffs and jioni have favourite Jack Daniel tasting like concoction of Kariobangi Chemical Mixing in some "middle class" pub. You get the "feel of the people..."

So when we say Mt. Kenya grassroot is OVERWHELMINGLY for Ruto, that is not guesswork or trying to score points for Huslter. That is the way it is!

Yours and Uhuru/Raila hopes are that soon or later Mt. Kenya "will see the light..." and "comeback home.." which means blindly supporting Uhuru and his unclear, unknown, and even foolish schemes. This time is very different. And I say that as am blogging and i try to make sense to some of these creeps who  who think they can DICTATE WAY FORWARD.

[RV Pundit]

I see the latest is to claim that Ruto tried to assassinate Uhuru

[Nefertiti]

Garliv your analysis or observations about Mt Kenya grassroots are no better than anybody else's. The opinions we state here are tested in time - for instance Ruto's control of the Jubilee Party and parliament have been exposed as false. No need to belabor the point. You can argue Uhuru has intimidated Tangatanga but then again the machinery is not new and was intact during the chest-thumping by those wailing now.

Only Kalenjin senators backed Ruto dwarf Kindiki. That is the extent of Ruto's influence in Kenyan politics today. Kamar and Kanu are with Uhuru. Moses Wetangula voted to impeach. Ledama ole Kina voted to hang the dwarf and pledged loyalty to Raila. Milly Omanga voted hang the dwarf. Only Linturi and Kihika backed Ruto outside Kalenjin.

Ruto's grassroots support in GEMA is as hollow and phony as his control of Jubilee and parliament.

[Garliv]

As I have stated before so far there is nothing to fight over (FOR NOW). I have also stated let Uhuru do what he has to do; and that's the attitude ON THE GROUND. I stated Omanga has no reason to try and make some stand. Even DP Ruto himself doesn't have to say or do anything. He reacts only when they try to impeach or such harebrained madness. For now let Uhuru do his thing.
 
Why would Senators expose themselves to Executive madness just to vote for Kindiki? Indeed it would have been wise for Kindiki to resign and I argued as such. Even at the National Assembly they should let Uhuru impose whoever he wants. AFTER ALL,REPLACEMENT IS ANOTHER JUBILEE MEMBER.  Remember THIS IS MOSTLY A PROPAGANDA BATTLE; not reality. I say so because whether TangaTanga has claimed it has NUMBERS than anyone else, AT NO TIME HAVE THEY VOTED AGAINST GOVERNMENT AGENDA. At no time have they rejected Uhuru Bills. They have never defeated any motion that Uhuru government wanted. Murkomen, Duale and Kihika  were championing those government motions/bills without a hitch. So issue of NUMBERS against Uhuru following Raila propaganda to a T. Even the way he's trying to manage Jubilee is like Raila roughshod over ODM.
AND THEN AT NO TIME HAS DP RUTO EVER CONTRADICTED PRESIDENT.

This issue of numbers is now being hyped and used as AN EXCUSE; AN EXCUSE TO DUMP JUBILEE DEAL AND GET INTO BED WITH RAILA.

My advise to TangaTanga: So far there is nothing to fight over. Let Jameson Konyagi feel like Presidential or feel powerful if that's what he wants. Buy time for Uhuru is the PAST and the future is RUTO; And maybe Raila. We can wait Konyagi kidogo ndio bangi ipungue and then he retires.   

Garliv your analysis or observations about Mt Kenya grassroots are no better than anybody else's. The opinions we state here are tested in time - for instance Ruto's control of the Jubilee Party and parliament have been exposed as false. No need to belabor the point. You can argue Uhuru has intimidated Tangatanga but then again the machinery is not new and was intact during the chest-thumping by those wailing now.

Only Kalenjin senators backed Ruto dwarf Kindiki. That is the extent of Ruto's influence in Kenyan politics today. Kamar and Kanu are with Uhuru. Moses Wetangula voted to impeach. Ledama ole Kina voted to hang the dwarf and pledged loyalty to Raila. Milly Omanga voted hang the dwarf. Only Linturi and Kihika backed Ruto outside Kalenjin.

Ruto's grassroots support in GEMA is as hollow and phony as his control of Jubilee and parliament.

[Garliv]

Yes. And lots of other stuffs. They are first saturating social media with allegations after allegations. And some radio personalities now claiming something like this.. "ati ukiona Uhuru amekataa Ruto jua kuna kitu DP alimfanya..." And then hints that he's soon coming "kueleza watu what happened na DP wake.."  It's like political campaign for Uhuru vs Ruto in Mt. Kenya. This the last ditch effort to "win hearts and minds" of Gema hustlers.

In few weeks time we shall judge whether they will achieve what they seek...

I see the latest is to claim that Ruto tried to assassinate Uhuru

[Nefertiti]

We have no way to measure the ground without credible opinion polls, by-elections or general elections. Sorry we can’t take your word. Instead how are numbers in Jubilee and parliament working out? How did Kibra work out? How will Legco purge work out?  These are more credible measures than your “feel” or “ears” on the ground. Grassroots are just another battleground like parliament - and Ruto is a Kalenjin alien. You can spin but don’t lie to yourself that Ruto has Mt Kenya.

Kindiki tried to sabotage Nairobi Military Metropolitan Services. He is also a strategic player in Mt Kenya East so the demotion was a no-brainer. Murkomen and Kihika of course were scornful brats that thought Ruto is still co-president. Don’t conflate loyalty with mere bills or motions in parliament. They opposed the Handshake, war on graft, BBI, etc. The case for the purge or divorce is as clear as broad daylight.

The future belongs to..., BBI will tell us this. Ruto will be around for years but in 2022 likely as Kiongozi ya Upinzani. They have switched places with Raila.

As I have stated before so far there is nothing to fight over (FOR NOW). I have also stated let Uhuru do what he has to do; and that's the attitude ON THE GROUND. I stated Omanga has no reason to try and make some stand. Even DP Ruto himself doesn't have to say or do anything. He reacts only when they try to impeach or such harebrained madness. For now let Uhuru do his thing.
 
Why would Senators expose themselves to Executive madness just to vote for Kindiki? Indeed it would have been wise for Kindiki to resign and I argued as such. Even at the National Assembly they should let Uhuru impose whoever he wants. AFTER ALL,REPLACEMENT IS ANOTHER JUBILEE MEMBER.  Remember THIS IS MOSTLY A PROPAGANDA BATTLE; not reality. I say so because whether TangaTanga has claimed it has NUMBERS than anyone else, AT NO TIME HAVE THEY VOTED AGAINST GOVERNMENT AGENDA. At no time have they rejected Uhuru Bills. They have never defeated any motion that Uhuru government wanted. Murkomen, Duale and Kihika  were championing those government motions/bills without a hitch. So issue of NUMBERS against Uhuru following Raila propaganda to a T. Even the way he's trying to manage Jubilee is like Raila roughshod over ODM.
AND THEN AT NO TIME HAS DP RUTO EVER CONTRADICTED PRESIDENT.

This issue of numbers is now being hyped and used as AN EXCUSE; AN EXCUSE TO DUMP JUBILEE DEAL AND GET INTO BED WITH RAILA.

My advise to TangaTanga: So far there is nothing to fight over. Let Jameson Konyagi feel like Presidential or feel powerful if that's what he wants. Buy time for Uhuru is the PAST and the future is RUTO; And maybe Raila. We can wait Konyagi kidogo ndio bangi ipungue and then he retires.   

Garliv your analysis or observations about Mt Kenya grassroots are no better than anybody else's. The opinions we state here are tested in time - for instance Ruto's control of the Jubilee Party and parliament have been exposed as false. No need to belabor the point. You can argue Uhuru has intimidated Tangatanga but then again the machinery is not new and was intact during the chest-thumping by those wailing now.

Only Kalenjin senators backed Ruto dwarf Kindiki. That is the extent of Ruto's influence in Kenyan politics today. Kamar and Kanu are with Uhuru. Moses Wetangula voted to impeach. Ledama ole Kina voted to hang the dwarf and pledged loyalty to Raila. Milly Omanga voted hang the dwarf. Only Linturi and Kihika backed Ruto outside Kalenjin.

Ruto's grassroots support in GEMA is as hollow and phony as his control of Jubilee and parliament.

[RV Pundit]

I think that seem to be Ruto stance - not really fight Uhuru - and give him excuses - so support him however difficult. Let him get his way. That why he cannot claim he was blocked from working. Right now he really has no case - and as long as there is no evidence - then people will see it like they saw the "corruption or thief".

We need to suffer Uhuru for another year...and COVID-19 is make it harder for him to sleep and drink...lazima afanye kazi.

As I have stated before so far there is nothing to fight over (FOR NOW). I have also stated let Uhuru do what he has to do; and that's the attitude ON THE GROUND. I stated Omanga has no reason to try and make some stand. Even DP Ruto himself doesn't have to say or do anything. He reacts only when they try to impeach or such harebrained madness. For now let Uhuru do his thing.
 
Why would Senators expose themselves to Executive madness just to vote for Kindiki? Indeed it would have been wise for Kindiki to resign and I argued as such. Even at the National Assembly they should let Uhuru impose whoever he wants. AFTER ALL,REPLACEMENT IS ANOTHER JUBILEE MEMBER.  Remember THIS IS MOSTLY A PROPAGANDA BATTLE; not reality. I say so because whether TangaTanga has claimed it has NUMBERS than anyone else, AT NO TIME HAVE THEY VOTED AGAINST GOVERNMENT AGENDA. At no time have they rejected Uhuru Bills. They have never defeated any motion that Uhuru government wanted. Murkomen, Duale and Kihika  were championing those government motions/bills without a hitch. So issue of NUMBERS against Uhuru following Raila propaganda to a T. Even the way he's trying to manage Jubilee is like Raila roughshod over ODM.
AND THEN AT NO TIME HAS DP RUTO EVER CONTRADICTED PRESIDENT.

This issue of numbers is now being hyped and used as AN EXCUSE; AN EXCUSE TO DUMP JUBILEE DEAL AND GET INTO BED WITH RAILA.

My advise to TangaTanga: So far there is nothing to fight over. Let Jameson Konyagi feel like Presidential or feel powerful if that's what he wants. Buy time for Uhuru is the PAST and the future is RUTO; And maybe Raila. We can wait Konyagi kidogo ndio bangi ipungue and then he retires.   

Garliv your analysis or observations about Mt Kenya grassroots are no better than anybody else's. The opinions we state here are tested in time - for instance Ruto's control of the Jubilee Party and parliament have been exposed as false. No need to belabor the point. You can argue Uhuru has intimidated Tangatanga but then again the machinery is not new and was intact during the chest-thumping by those wailing now.

Only Kalenjin senators backed Ruto dwarf Kindiki. That is the extent of Ruto's influence in Kenyan politics today. Kamar and Kanu are with Uhuru. Moses Wetangula voted to impeach. Ledama ole Kina voted to hang the dwarf and pledged loyalty to Raila. Milly Omanga voted hang the dwarf. Only Linturi and Kihika backed Ruto outside Kalenjin.

Ruto's grassroots support in GEMA is as hollow and phony as his control of Jubilee and parliament.

[Garliv]

First appreciate the fact that Uhuru WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY LOADS OF POLITICS in his final term. The expectations and arrangements and common sense/conventional dictated that a President serving his last term in office should concentrate on deliverables including implementing necessary but painful economic policies without fear of facing electorate. Where you are based in the US, a President serving his final term LEAVE politicking to potentials. We expected Uhuru to do so.

And he has had ALL THE SUPPORT IN THE SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY to push his agenda/policies/bills. NO ONE WAS/IS FIGHTING HIM. He was to complete his term and get himself into whatever chang'aa den he preferred..

HOWEVER, due to pure raw greediness and myopic thinking he got into an alliance with Raila and they schemed HOW he can perpetuate his reign. Some may find it simply UNBELIEVABLE that so called champion of democracy like RAO can get into such destructive schemes but then some of us are not surprised as his goal, no matter what, is to get into power.   

Therefore Ruto became a competitor without him knowing. No sane person was expecting Son of Jomo to be such a melon head. That is what is at the heart of the current battle. Ruto and his group has not done anything wrong or frustrated Uhuru or anything. It's Uhuru who has changed into despotic-big-African-Man-Mentality.

NB: ODM demands 50/50 as they "helped get rid/contain of troublemaker" (Ruto) who has 50/50 arrangement. Therefore it's only FAIR they get that. How will Uhuru satisfy that?

We have no way to measure the ground without credible opinion polls, by-elections or general elections. Sorry we can’t take your word. Instead how are numbers in Jubilee and parliament working out? How did Kibra work out? How will Legco purge work out?  These are more credible measures than your “feel” or “ears” on the ground. Grassroots are just another battleground like parliament - and Ruto is a Kalenjin alien. You can spin but don’t lie to yourself that Ruto has Mt Kenya.

Kindiki tried to sabotage Nairobi Military Metropolitan Services. He is also a strategic player in Mt Kenya East so the demotion was a no-brainer. Murkomen and Kihika of course were scornful brats that thought Ruto is still co-president. Don’t conflate loyalty with mere bills or motions in parliament. They opposed the Handshake, war on graft, BBI, etc. The case for the purge or divorce is as clear as broad daylight.

The future belongs to..., BBI will tell us this. Ruto will be around for years but in 2022 likely as Kiongozi ya Upinzani. They have switched places with Raila.

[Garliv]

And that would be the best stance. Just be cool for constitutionally Uhuru cannot get rid of him. And am sure by the end year, Uhuru/Raila bromance would have hit an iceberg. But am afraid they may end up bringing a lot of chaos before they exhaust themselves...

I think that seem to be Ruto stance - not really fight Uhuru - and give him excuses - so support him however difficult. Let him get his way. That why he cannot claim he was blocked from working. Right now he really has no case - and as long as there is no evidence - then people will see it like they saw the "corruption or thief".

We need to suffer Uhuru for another year...and COVID-19 is make it harder for him to sleep and drink...lazima afanye kazi.

[RV Pundit]

It going to be hard because of the open provocation and attempt to trip Ruto - which they have been doing. But Ruto is very discipline - he needs to discipline the foot soldier. NASA are trying to find themselves a nitche to defend Uhuru and endear themselves to GEMA.

So I think Ruto himself should stay above the fray - but Jubilee juniors can hit Uhuru and NASA.

Ruto should cease hitting Raila and Uhuru but become the adult - and take the high road.

Now that he can no longer launch gov projects - he should concentrate on harambees for schools, churches, etc.

And that would be the best stance. Just be cool for constitutionally Uhuru cannot get rid of him. And am sure by the end year, Uhuru/Raila bromance would have hit an iceberg. But am afraid they may end up bringing a lot of chaos before they exhaust themselves...

[Nefertiti]

It makes no sense to take the moral high ground - to talk about principles or conventions. Your man looted billions for warchest so it usual doublespeak. Pray what principles do Ruto and his disciples subscribe to? I don’t know the origin of bad blood between Uhuruto - but besides the mlolongo backstabbing and foxiness like stuffing parliamentary leadership with his cronies - am inclined to believe RV Pundit that it’s envy. Ruto outlooted Uhuru.. which is against the “convention” that the boss takes lion share.

Acheni uungwana fake. The only tussle now is if Ruto has fanatical support in GEMA. This lie will soon meet reality with recalls and/or by-elections. We have heard all stories from Tangatanga - “they are playing Raila”, “Ruto controls Jubilee”, “Ruto controls parliament”... at some point Luhya were the overwhelming plurality in Kibra just because Ruto was fronting a mulembe soccer star. Despite tribal census data being common knowledge. Apparently Luos had moved to Kayole and Mathare since Raila left parliament.

Now this fiction about Ruto magic in GEMA. hahaa this is so comical. What’s special about GEMA? Why isn’t Ruto equally popular in non-GEMA? Are these the same GEMA that betrayed and rejected Odinga the “Njamba” in 2007 and 2013? Ohoo Ruto is special. Is he?

Spin works until it doesn’t. In a short while as Ruto soft underbelly get exposed - like has just happened in parliament and Jubilee - we will hear long tales about how people have been bribed or bulldozed to recall their MP. In the Senate we are told only Kalenjin were spared as everyone else was threatened with KRA, EACC or death. Ha!

First appreciate the fact that Uhuru WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY LOADS OF POLITICS in his final term. The expectations and arrangements and common sense/conventional dictated that a President serving his last term in office should concentrate on deliverables including implementing necessary but painful economic policies without fear of facing electorate. Where you are based in the US, a President serving his final term LEAVE politicking to potentials. We expected Uhuru to do so.

And he has had ALL THE SUPPORT IN THE SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY to push his agenda/policies/bills. NO ONE WAS/IS FIGHTING HIM. He was to complete his term and get himself into whatever chang'aa den he preferred..

HOWEVER, due to pure raw greediness and myopic thinking he got into an alliance with Raila and they schemed HOW he can perpetuate his reign. Some may find it simply UNBELIEVABLE that so called champion of democracy like RAO can get into such destructive schemes but then some of us are not surprised as his goal, no matter what, is to get into power.   

Therefore Ruto became a competitor without him knowing. No sane person was expecting Son of Jomo to be such a melon head. That is what is at the heart of the current battle. Ruto and his group has not done anything wrong or frustrated Uhuru or anything. It's Uhuru who has changed into despotic-big-African-Man-Mentality.

NB: ODM demands 50/50 as they "helped get rid/contain of troublemaker" (Ruto) who has 50/50 arrangement. Therefore it's only FAIR they get that. How will Uhuru satisfy that?

We have no way to measure the ground without credible opinion polls, by-elections or general elections. Sorry we can’t take your word. Instead how are numbers in Jubilee and parliament working out? How did Kibra work out? How will Legco purge work out?  These are more credible measures than your “feel” or “ears” on the ground. Grassroots are just another battleground like parliament - and Ruto is a Kalenjin alien. You can spin but don’t lie to yourself that Ruto has Mt Kenya.

Kindiki tried to sabotage Nairobi Military Metropolitan Services. He is also a strategic player in Mt Kenya East so the demotion was a no-brainer. Murkomen and Kihika of course were scornful brats that thought Ruto is still co-president. Don’t conflate loyalty with mere bills or motions in parliament. They opposed the Handshake, war on graft, BBI, etc. The case for the purge or divorce is as clear as broad daylight.

The future belongs to..., BBI will tell us this. Ruto will be around for years but in 2022 likely as Kiongozi ya Upinzani. They have switched places with Raila.

[RV Pundit]

Robina, Raila pulled all the stops in Kibra - including violence that made shame of democracy - and Uhuru is pulling all stop in Senate including threatening senators and entering coalition with KANU. You can imagine what else is going on behind the scene. That tells you how strong Ruto is.And Ruto is just smiling in Karen.

I know for you everything goes if Ruto is on the receiving end.

But can you SCALE violence and intimidation?

Of course not. You can give it all in Kibra and in Senate - but when it out there - with millions of kenya - you soon realize you cannot use violence or intimidation.

I have been checking Ruto facebook post - the guy is operating on 40-50K likes. Raila and Uhuru are lucky to get 1K likes.

Ruto is very popular and is seen as the man - and all the ganging up of all political players - all the ganging up of all power players - all the bribery - all the misuse of power - will come to NAUGHT.

Kenya is not Uganda where you can scale dictatorship.

If you're popular and with people - nothing can stop you - not allegations - not education - that is how Sonko or waitutu got it - and that is Ruto playbook.

It makes no sense to take the moral high ground - to talk about principles or conventions. Your man looted billions for warchest so it usual doublespeak. Pray what principles do Ruto and his disciples subscribe to? I don’t know the origin of bad blood between Uhuruto - but besides the mlolongo backstabbing and foxiness like stuffing parliamentary leadership with his cronies - am inclined to believe RV Pundit that it’s envy. Ruto outlooted Uhuru.. which is against the “convention” that the boss takes lion share.

Acheni uungwana fake. The only tussle now is if Ruto has fanatical support in GEMA. This lie will soon meet reality with recalls and/or by-elections. We have heard all stories from Tangatanga - “they are playing Raila”, “Ruto controls Jubilee”, “Ruto controls parliament”... at some point Luhya were the overwhelming plurality in Kibra just because Ruto was fronting a mulembe soccer star. Despite tribal census data being common knowledge. Apparently Luos had moved to Kayole and Mathare since Raila left parliament.

Now this fiction about Ruto magic in GEMA. hahaa this is so comical. What’s special about GEMA? Why isn’t Ruto equally popular in non-GEMA? Are these the same GEMA that betrayed and rejected Odinga the “Njamba” in 2007 and 2013? Ohoo Ruto is special. Is he?

Spin works until it doesn’t. In a short while as Ruto soft underbelly get exposed - like has just happened in parliament and Jubilee - we will hear long tales about how people have been bribed or bulldozed to recall their MP. In the Senate we are told only Kalenjin were spared as everyone else was threatened with KRA, EACC or death. Ha!

First appreciate the fact that Uhuru WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY LOADS OF POLITICS in his final term. The expectations and arrangements and common sense/conventional dictated that a President serving his last term in office should concentrate on deliverables including implementing necessary but painful economic policies without fear of facing electorate. Where you are based in the US, a President serving his final term LEAVE politicking to potentials. We expected Uhuru to do so.

And he has had ALL THE SUPPORT IN THE SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY to push his agenda/policies/bills. NO ONE WAS/IS FIGHTING HIM. He was to complete his term and get himself into whatever chang'aa den he preferred..

HOWEVER, due to pure raw greediness and myopic thinking he got into an alliance with Raila and they schemed HOW he can perpetuate his reign. Some may find it simply UNBELIEVABLE that so called champion of democracy like RAO can get into such destructive schemes but then some of us are not surprised as his goal, no matter what, is to get into power.   

Therefore Ruto became a competitor without him knowing. No sane person was expecting Son of Jomo to be such a melon head. That is what is at the heart of the current battle. Ruto and his group has not done anything wrong or frustrated Uhuru or anything. It's Uhuru who has changed into despotic-big-African-Man-Mentality.

NB: ODM demands 50/50 as they "helped get rid/contain of troublemaker" (Ruto) who has 50/50 arrangement. Therefore it's only FAIR they get that. How will Uhuru satisfy that?

We have no way to measure the ground without credible opinion polls, by-elections or general elections. Sorry we can’t take your word. Instead how are numbers in Jubilee and parliament working out? How did Kibra work out? How will Legco purge work out?  These are more credible measures than your “feel” or “ears” on the ground. Grassroots are just another battleground like parliament - and Ruto is a Kalenjin alien. You can spin but don’t lie to yourself that Ruto has Mt Kenya.

Kindiki tried to sabotage Nairobi Military Metropolitan Services. He is also a strategic player in Mt Kenya East so the demotion was a no-brainer. Murkomen and Kihika of course were scornful brats that thought Ruto is still co-president. Don’t conflate loyalty with mere bills or motions in parliament. They opposed the Handshake, war on graft, BBI, etc. The case for the purge or divorce is as clear as broad daylight.

The future belongs to..., BBI will tell us this. Ruto will be around for years but in 2022 likely as Kiongozi ya Upinzani. They have switched places with Raila.

[Nefertiti]

The machinery has always been there - since Ano Domini - and any proper punditry takes it into account. GoK machinery or "system" is a key factor in politics same as say voter turnout. If you are surprised that cops turned blind eye to Kibra goons you are being disingenuous. Ruto turned Karen mini-SH into a hotel for Kibrites so it rich to play the victim. Was Raila supposed to play fair despite the brazen fraud.

If both camps played fair Ruto would still have lost fair and square. MOAS clearly said so - while you had Mariga genius move.

Robina, Raila pulled all the stops in Kibra - including violence that made shame of democracy - and Uhuru is pulling all stop in Senate including threatening senators and entering coalition with KANU. You can imagine what else is going on behind the scene. That tells you how strong Ruto is.And Ruto is just smiling in Karen.

Arguably violence, bribery and etc ukora cannot be scaled - in the end only a few Kibrites can go to Karen or get handouts. Ruto dirty games - such as buying out 2 ODM candidates in Wajir by-elections - are limited because in the general the ground determines party of choice. You cannot buy out all the opponent candidates countrywide. Dirty tricks are a checkmate - if Ruto stopped bribing church leaders and poor folks we could see your point about machinery - but that fat chance. It is what it is.

Yes I couldn't care less about Ruto welfare duhhh. My reasons are well known. But you play dirty and whine about machinery or goons - yawwnnn. In Wajir you called the brazen fraud "chess"... while playing fair was "checkers." Seem now Uhuru is playing chess and Ruto chequers.

I know for you everything goes if Ruto is on the receiving end.

But can you SCALE violence and intimidation?

Of course not. You can give it all in Kibra and in Senate - but when it out there - with millions of kenya - you soon realize you cannot use violence or intimidation.

PK was leading by landslide in Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. The real RV warriors are probably more potent than an army of digital warriors. Nobody ever disputes or interrogates social media numbers for a rather obvious reason - they are meaningless.

Sonko and Waititu of course were mlolongo mischief that has landed your boy in murky waters. Ipsos and other credible polls had PK with narrow lead over Sonko - but Sonko gets 3X PK. Same as Kiambu - neck & neck polls then Waititu gets 6X Kabogo. No genius needed to decipher behind the scenes. Their wins said zilch about their popularity. On the contrary these "hustlers" have exemplified mediocrity. But you dispute mlolongo as Kieleweke and GEMA sore losers' propaganda so let leave it at that.

Ruto has phantom numbers as the empirical evidence shows. Naturally you have zero evidence but telepathy to back your claims of Ruto fame. Just yesterday in Senate alinyolewa bila maji. No, he does not have GEMA nor non-GEMA. Just URP Kalenjin and some pastoralists. That is all William Ruto is worth now - 7 out of 47 county senators - which is basically 15% URP.

I have been checking Ruto facebook post - the guy is operating on 40-50K likes. Raila and Uhuru are lucky to get 1K likes.

Ruto is very popular and is seen as the man - and all the ganging up of all political players - all the ganging up of all power players - all the bribery - all the misuse of power - will come to NAUGHT.

Kenya is not Uganda where you can scale dictatorship.

If you're popular and with people - nothing can stop you - not allegations - not education - that is how Sonko or waitutu got it - and that is Ruto playbook.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto rigged this or that. Very boring. Ruto rigged Jubilee nomination and then went ahead to rig the IEBC server. very powerful. Ruto was all over the country rigging people in and out almost at will. Even those like Munya and Waiguru running on different parties still claimed RUTO rigged them .

Gov machinery cannot replace popularity in the ground. The ground game is everything and Ruto invests heavily in it. And when it comes to harvesting time - you'll cry rigging.

If gov machinery cannot make your popular then it's useless. You use gov machinery to endear yourself by delivering gov projects - not harassing, arresting, and intimidating opponents. That never works in Kenya.

Right now people are out there campaigning by endearing themselves with votes - by fixing stuff in the ground - participating in harambees - being there with the people - and the idiotic ones are in Nairobi boardrooms planning.

The machinery has always been there - since Ano Domini - and any proper punditry takes it into account. GoK machinery or "system" is a key factor in politics same as say voter turnout. If you are surprised that cops turned blind eye to Kibra goons you are being disingenuous. Ruto turned Karen mini-SH into a hotel for Kibrites so it rich to play the victim. Was Raila supposed to play fair despite the brazen fraud.

If both camps played fair Ruto would still have lost fair and square. MOAS clearly said so - while you had Mariga genius move.

Robina, Raila pulled all the stops in Kibra - including violence that made shame of democracy - and Uhuru is pulling all stop in Senate including threatening senators and entering coalition with KANU. You can imagine what else is going on behind the scene. That tells you how strong Ruto is.And Ruto is just smiling in Karen.

Arguably violence, bribery and etc ukora cannot be scaled - in the end only a few Kibrites can go to Karen or get handouts. Ruto dirty games - such as buying out 2 ODM candidates in Wajir by-elections - are limited because in the general the ground determines party of choice. You cannot buy out all the opponent candidates countrywide. Dirty tricks are a checkmate - if Ruto stopped bribing church leaders and poor folks we could see your point about machinery - but that fat chance. It is what it is.

Yes I couldn't care less about Ruto welfare duhhh. My reasons are well known. But you play dirty and whine about machinery or goons - yawwnnn. In Wajir you called the brazen fraud "chess"... while playing fair was "checkers." Seem now Uhuru is playing chess and Ruto chequers.

I know for you everything goes if Ruto is on the receiving end.

But can you SCALE violence and intimidation?

Of course not. You can give it all in Kibra and in Senate - but when it out there - with millions of kenya - you soon realize you cannot use violence or intimidation.

PK was leading by landslide in Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. The real RV warriors are probably more potent than an army of digital warriors. Nobody ever disputes or interrogates social media numbers for a rather obvious reason - they are meaningless.

Sonko and Waititu of course were mlolongo mischief that has landed your boy in murky waters. Ipsos and other credible polls had PK with narrow lead over Sonko - but Sonko gets 3X PK. Same as Kiambu - neck & neck polls then Waititu gets 6X Kabogo. No genius needed to decipher behind the scenes. Their wins said zilch about their popularity. On the contrary these "hustlers" have exemplified mediocrity. But you dispute mlolongo as Kieleweke and GEMA sore losers' propaganda so let leave it at that.

Ruto has phantom numbers as the empirical evidence shows. Naturally you have zero evidence but telepathy to back your claims of Ruto fame. Just yesterday in Senate alinyolewa bila maji. No, he does not have GEMA nor non-GEMA. Just URP Kalenjin and some pastoralists. That is all William Ruto is worth now - 7 out of 47 county senators - which is basically 15% URP.

I have been checking Ruto facebook post - the guy is operating on 40-50K likes. Raila and Uhuru are lucky to get 1K likes.

Ruto is very popular and is seen as the man - and all the ganging up of all political players - all the ganging up of all power players - all the bribery - all the misuse of power - will come to NAUGHT.

Kenya is not Uganda where you can scale dictatorship.

If you're popular and with people - nothing can stop you - not allegations - not education - that is how Sonko or waitutu got it - and that is Ruto playbook.

[Nefertiti]

It well known Ruto rigged out Kabogo, PK, Kinuthia Mbugua, Kabando and any GEMA threat. Munya and Karua are just losers - especially Karua - but Ruto was wary of Munya. Now Mbugua, Munya, Kabandos are vengeful cogs in anti-Ruto schemes.

Machinery is a very big deal cause feeble Wanjiku listens to local leaders. Once mlolongo MPs are hammered into Uhuru mold Ruto will wither away like roses in the summer. Because he is only a Kalenjin alien.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto rigged Sonko in Jubilee and then rigged out Kidero. All the Central leaders who were defeated in Jubilee nomination were also beaten in the real election bar I think one MP from Nyeri. The central nomination went well under Tuju and Murathe - two idiots who were selling hair-brained ideas about Jubilee digital cards - only for them to be totally unable to run elections. Uhuru had to apologize to Jubilee and got Ruto to sleep in Pangani to fix this. Papers had to be printed non-stop for six days, delivered and the semblance of democracy done. Now Uhuru has yet again trusted Tuju and Murathe to run party affairs. It will only end in tears for uhuru.

You cannot intimidate low-cadre leadership. If you have problem intimidating mps - what about MCA . Politics is very competitive. They are people on the ground looking to endear themselves...and if it makes you popular to abuse Uhuru in the ground - they will abuse Uhuru.

Uhuru has to go to central - and tag along Raila if he is man enough - and sell his vision.

If he cannot take Raila and BBI - he is wasting time.

It well known Ruto rigged out Kabogo, PK, Kinuthia Mbugua, Kabando and any GEMA threat. Munya and Karua are just losers - especially Karua - but Ruto was wary of Munya. Now Mbugua, Munya, Kabandos are vengeful cogs in anti-Ruto schemes.

Machinery is a very big deal cause feeble Wanjiku listens to local leaders. Once mlolongo MPs are hammered into Uhuru mold Ruto will wither away like roses in the summer. Because he is only a Kalenjin alien.

[Nefertiti]

That disingenuous spin. Obviously once you are rigged in popular party... you are done. Cause feeble Wanjiku is mostly loyal to party leadership.

As to your usual rumbling about Uhuru must sell Raila... come srowry - no way to escape the bleak present for lofty future. The "ground" will turn out exactly as party, senate, NA, executive rout - which is playing live - starring Kanini Kega and Kang'ata as chief hangmen - against all your predictions. Now you suddenly realize PORK has coercive tools as if it news. Already most Tangatanga in Mt Kenya have gone mute - which is not because they all have graft or tax backlog - but GROUND. They can be recalled and it will be a nightmare to run on Kuria civic or reform party. Or Ruto URP 2. That ground you claim to have is the reason Tangatanga MPs in NA will line up next to hang Washiali, Mbarires and possibly Duale. Then Ichung'was and everyone. Kalenjin senators and MPs will stick with Ruto cause their ground is safe.

So about Uhuru touring ground with Raila... we could equally demand Ruto ship to URP 2 now now... since he is wildly popular with Wanjiku. But we know better. They will all mark-time till optimal time. Don't worry Raila will tour Nyeri to feed poor folks and resuscitate local business soon. Hope to see Ruto market URP 2 as well... and see who will have the bigger retinue of locals.

[RV Pundit]

You keep repeating recall like there has ever been one mp recalled. Understand the law first. Mp cannot be recalled one year to the election year. So from August 2021 - that leaves you with exactly 1yr to pull through it - collect the signatures - have IEBC verify - and finally have speaker - declare by-election - and have the judicial injunction all the way.

That disingenuous spin. Obviously once you are rigged in popular party... you are done. Cause feeble Wanjiku is mostly loyal to party leadership.

As to your usual rumbling about Uhuru must sell Raila... come srowry - no way to escape the bleak present for lofty future. The "ground" will turn out exactly as party, senate, NA, executive rout - which is playing live - starring Kanini Kega and Kang'ata as chief hangmen - against all your predictions. Now you suddenly realize PORK has coercive tools as if it news. Already most Tangatanga in Mt Kenya have gone mute - which is not because they all have graft or tax backlog - but GROUND. They can be recalled and it will be a nightmare to run on Kuria civic or reform party. Or Ruto URP 2. That ground you claim to have is the reason Tangatanga MPs in NA will line up next to hang Washiali, Mbarires and possibly Duale. Then Ichung'was and everyone. Kalenjin senators and MPs will stick with Ruto cause their ground is safe.

So about Uhuru touring ground with Raila... we could equally demand Ruto ship to URP 2 now now... since he is wildly popular with Wanjiku. But we know better. They will all mark-time till optimal time. Don't worry Raila will tour Nyeri to feed poor folks and resuscitate local business soon. Hope to see Ruto market URP 2 as well... and see who will have the bigger retinue of locals.