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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2020, 02:06:06 PM »
According to GEMA - UHURU a prince who didn't have to - showed leadership and sacrifices when he organized retaliatory attacks and aid to their people in distress - after Kibaki, clueless cowardly gov became unable and unwilling - and from that day - Uhuru became LEGIT. He was no longer the Moi illegitimate kid. Now he was like his father JOMO - a real hero of GEMA nation. And to top it - he had secured a peace deal with Kalenjin (Ruto) - so for them, he had earned his stripes as the Muthamaki.

The last two years - he has done the uncompromisable - he has embraced their enemy numero uno Raila and seems to spite Ruto.

In short - Kenya leaders or heroes - can become a villain - if people feel they don't represent their interest anymore. And Uhuru stands the greatest risk of becoming another Moi - whom Kalenjin loved but eventually didn't want anything to do with him. Yes, Moi was still respected - but like past hero.

Uhuru if he causes Jubilee split will be regarded worse than a dog. For he will start another painful war. And that is what many Kikuyus with a voice (many are scared of Kibicho-Uhuru) are telling him.

ACK has seen better times. Of late its pastors are not much different from the Owuors and Ngangas of this world.
GEMA never chose Uhuru because of his leadership qualities, but just to save his neck from the ICC. GEMA should now not complain about the bed it made and should lay in it in silence.

Pundit do you know why Ruto has topnotch security during Kibaki error? He was Kyuk enemy Numero#1. So if Uhuru embraced him, what's the difference between that and Uhuru's embrace of RAO?
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2020, 08:50:42 PM »
Langas eldoret - resident strike and refuse to go on curfew - says they had rather die from corona than hunger pangs
https://www.facebook.com/isaac.mutai.733/videos/2676711615891549/?t=28

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2020, 08:52:06 PM »
Uhuru can embrace anybody but GEMA are not boarding.
Pundit do you know why Ruto has topnotch security during Kibaki error? He was Kyuk enemy Numero#1. So if Uhuru embraced him, what's the difference between that and Uhuru's embrace of RAO?

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2020, 08:38:19 AM »
Langas eldoret - resident strike and refuse to go on curfew - says they had rather die from corona than hunger pangs
https://www.facebook.com/isaac.mutai.733/videos/2676711615891549/?t=28

I can't believe how short-sighted Kenyan leadership is. You have to be genuinely stupid to think for a second that millions will accept going hungry just so you don't have to deal with Corona. If 10 million-plus are going to be without food, that's 20-30% of us. Corona death rate at its worst (Italy) is 9%, and at its best is 2%. That math alone should tell you the govt is using a hammer to kill a mosquito.

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2020, 09:29:46 AM »
You're mixing issues. We are here because of exogenous event nobody could have thought would happen. We are not here because of poor fiscal or monetary policy. It appears after tax cuts -  and other such not so practical ideas - gov has decided to deploy police at night the rich from the hungry poor. The western countries are deploying welfare systems - and we are not too poor to do the same. We need to start somewhere. For now, we need to tap into a contingency fund and start with slums and urban poor. I am talking direct support to poor families to buy food - I don't care about business or economy at this moment of war.

Once you understand the role of welfare systems beyond the trickle-down economics then we will progress.

People want to hear how Uhuru will support individuals (not SMES or business) - directly with food or income in these terrible times. Western countries have promised to pay their citizens 80% of income. In Kenya - we have fledging national welfare that supports hunger-stricken, old and orphaned - now is the time to expand it.

If you look above I have advocated for dealing with demand side i.e something along the lines of a rescue fund which in my humble opinion should be aimed at individuals and SMEs. The question is how to fund it? Your suggestion of taxing the rich is what doesn't make economic sense. Because there's not enough rich people to tax to get the kind of money needed. Whether its for food and shelter or to support individuals, MSE and SMEs. The only option is to gut budgets of all ministries except the absolutely  essentials. Then arrange for debt extension repayment program. For the last couple of yrs. I have been indicating the danger of running crazy budget deficits of 7-9%, but you said those are western economic nonsense. Now the government has very little wiggle room to stabilize the economy.   
Cutting taxes which are paid by informal sector means those goods and services become cheaper hence more affordable. This cushions the poor and simultaneously acts as stimulus for the economy(supply side ). 
Once you feed people you think somehow their jobs will just reappear? You need to do both, feed people who are going hungry while supporting the businesses they derive their incomes from either as owners or as employees. The government can't feed people indefinitely while the economy is collapsing. Mind you the poor pay taxes directly , so if they aren't working soon government will grind to a halt. Also  even big corporations like safaricom and equity generate their revenue from the "informal sector" .  The MSE, SME and individuals need to remain in operation otherwise we're looking into the abyss. The taxes that informal sector pays mainly vat and exercise taxes need to be slashed to cushion them while also creating a fund that informal sector can borrow from at zero rate to stay afloat.

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2020, 11:03:59 AM »
After this emergency period is over - everyone will get back to their normal mode. What we need is a welfare system that we can easily deploy to assist the vulnerable during such times - like in pandemic, drought, earthquake. What I don't advocate is keeping people perpetual on the welfare system - unless they are disabled or something close to that.
Once you feed people you think somehow their jobs will just reappear? You need to do both, feed people who are going hungry while supporting the businesses they derive their incomes from either as owners or as employees. The government can't feed people indefinitely while the economy is collapsing. Mind you the poor pay taxes directly , so if they aren't working soon government will grind to a halt. Also  even big corporations like safaricom and equity generate their revenue from the "informal sector" .  The MSE, SME and individuals need to remain in operation otherwise we're looking into the abyss. The taxes that informal sector pays mainly vat and exercise taxes need to be slashed to cushion them while also creating a fund that informal sector can borrow from at zero rate to stay afloat.

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Re: lootalluhurunomics Loan defaults Mount
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2020, 09:29:39 AM »
After this emergency period is over - everyone will get back to their normal mode. What we need is a welfare system that we can easily deploy to assist the vulnerable during such times - like in pandemic, drought, earthquake. What I don't advocate is keeping people perpetual on the welfare system - unless they are disabled or something close to that.
Once you feed people you think somehow their jobs will just reappear? You need to do both, feed people who are going hungry while supporting the businesses they derive their incomes from either as owners or as employees. The government can't feed people indefinitely while the economy is collapsing. Mind you the poor pay taxes directly , so if they aren't working soon government will grind to a halt. Also  even big corporations like safaricom and equity generate their revenue from the "informal sector" .  The MSE, SME and individuals need to remain in operation otherwise we're looking into the abyss. The taxes that informal sector pays mainly vat and exercise taxes need to be slashed to cushion them while also creating a fund that informal sector can borrow from at zero rate to stay afloat.
The point is economy isn't going to snap back. This is the reason why a fund and fiscal stimulus is necessary to ensure that we don't go into a depression.  This thing has morphed from a health problem to a economic meltdown.  Instead of welfare system funded by taxpayers that doles out cash, Kenya should set up a contributory fund managed by private sector but regulated by CMA and RBA. A lot of kenyans can contribute ksh50 daily to a fund so long as it can be accessible on a rainy day and its not being managed by government. Basically eliminate NSSF monopoly while at the same time allowing contributors to borrow against their contribution without incurring any penalties. Is it not sad that NSSF now isn't offering any help to its contributors and also unions aren't offering any relief to their contributors ( Atwoli is busy buying gold chains ).