Msando, kenei and Juma

[Kadudu]

Pundit, you do not just get it. RV is not the heart of Kenya. You have to grind Nairobi to a halt in order to bring Kenya to its knees. Kalejins do not have the might and even the will to bring Kenya's biggest cities apart form Eldoret to a halt. Forget another 2007 bacause of Ruto. He will be on his own and after the murder of Kenei am not sure how many Kales are ready to follow him. People are seeing his true colours. A man who goes on Sunday to church and nobody knows what he does the rest of the week.

Even my Kyuk friends who are pro Ruto have gone silent. The say the clouds are sign of the rains to come.

[KenyanPlato]

Pundit
I told about ruto connections with DoD procurement scandals. You claimed I didn't know what I was talking about. The military intelligence has been on your guy for sometime. They finally caught him red handed. The results a youngman dead and your guy had to go off on his boss at a funeral. Now it is him versus the state. My moneu is on the state.

[Nefertiti]

I meant Kalenjin would definitely also attack the Luo and likely Matiang'i-led Gusii, but perhaps even the Luhya in Uasin Gishu and Trans Nzoia. Kalenjin are unhinged and entitled. Ruto will obviously lose these swing tribes as things stand.

Tell it to Pundit. 2022 will be no 2007. If nothing happens in Nairobi, you can forget a rebellion. Kalejins only have the Kikuyus in RV as ransom. All the other ethnic groups can escape the wrath of the Kalejins. No Kisii or Luhya will be ready even to loose a finger nail for Ruto. Here the Kalejins will be on their own.

There will be no PEV 2.. Ruto is neither stupid nor suicidal. Kalenjin alone despite your hubris don't have the muscle to pull it off. They would kill, loot and burn - then equally get killed, maybe jailed, and Ruto would lose BIG politically. Raila would be the biggest winner. Warriors need Raila non-Gema political cover. RV alone without grinding the country to a halt... in Nairobi,  Mombasa, Kisumu - Kibaki would not have agreed to NARA. Now Ruto does not even have Maa - who in fact might launch attacks on Kipsigis. No Kibra and Mathare thugs. No Raila to spin the media. No Balala to light up bonfires in Mombasa. There would be blood mainly in Kericho and Uasin Gishu - small places of little importance - unless Kalenjin double down with Luhya and Gusii - and make it fully 41 vs 1. Rest of the country would be dead quiet as people watch Kalenjin madness on TV. Kalenjin might need to hide elsewhere. Kiunjuris and Kurias would need a hole to hide as they become traitors. The economy would definitely not tank because all or even most of the production does not occur there.

[patel]

1992 you had the state machinery. More than 60% of GSU, military and police force was Kalenjin. 2007 you still had large numbers of kalenjins in the military and police force but things have changed now. Honestly I do not see how kalenjins alone can shut down Kenya.

There will be no PEV 2.. Ruto is neither stupid nor suicidal. Kalenjin alone despite your hubris don't have the muscle to pull it off. They would kill, loot and burn - then equally get killed, maybe jailed, and Ruto would lose BIG politically. Raila would be the biggest winner. Warriors need Raila non-Gema political cover. RV alone without grinding the country to a halt... in Nairobi,  Mombasa, Kisumu - Kibaki would not have agreed to NARA. Now Ruto does not even have Maa - who in fact might launch attacks on Kipsigis. No Kibra and Mathare thugs. No Raila to spin the media. No Balala to light up bonfires in Mombasa. There would be blood mainly in Kericho and Uasin Gishu - small places of little importance - unless Kalenjin double down with Luhya and Gusii - and make it fully 41 vs 1. Rest of the country would be dead quiet as people watch Kalenjin madness on TV. Kalenjin might need to hide elsewhere. Kiunjuris and Kurias would need a hole to hide as they become traitors. The economy would definitely not tank because all or even most of the production does not occur there.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.Kalenjin capacity to grind Kenya to halt doesn't need any help.You can start from 1992 when Kalenjin were kicking all their neighbors from luo,gusii,luhya,kikuyus and etc.I was about 10yrs and would listen to BBC kabila ndogo la Moi and that was first time I was Kalenjin war infrastructure live live.Thankful moi understood what could happen and called it off.You can refer to 2007 when epicenter of the violence was in RV with about half a million people kicked out in 3 days and hundreds miles of properties destroyed.Btw that time kipsigis n Maasai were fighting in Narok.Dont underestimate Kalenjin war infrastructure.Within a week Kenya will shutdown and maybe for a longtime if conflict escalate to military level.If Kalenjin are internally United like now don't even dare it.British took 10yrs to beat a United Nandi.You can imagine a war infrastructure of 6m people initiated in a war cry.This won't be demonstration of throwing stones..but within a week Kenya gov won't exist in RV.Kibaki in 07 quelled nairobi, Mombasa and kismu in a day or two.. Thankfully he negotiated an exit.

[Kadudu]

Is violence only a privilege of the Kalejin? Threatening other ethnic groups will not work. People will be prepared this time and will not leave their own security to the police or armed forces.

I meant Kalenjin would definitely also attack the Luo and likely Matiang'i-led Gusii, but perhaps even the Luhya in Uasin Gishu and Trans Nzoia. Kalenjin are unhinged and entitled. Ruto will obviously lose these swing tribes as things stand.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Is violence only a privilege of the Kalejin? Threatening other ethnic groups will not work. People will be prepared this time and will not leave their own security to the police or armed forces.

I meant Kalenjin would definitely also attack the Luo and likely Matiang'i-led Gusii, but perhaps even the Luhya in Uasin Gishu and Trans Nzoia. Kalenjin are unhinged and entitled. Ruto will obviously lose these swing tribes as things stand.

B-bu-but they can make poison tipped arrows and are in listening mode for a war cry 

[RV Pundit]

You're getting ahead of yourself with allegation that Ruto killed Kenei .  Kenei I believe comitted suicide. There is a theory he could have been murdered. Let see the evidences.

As regard the ability of RV to grind the country to halt - once you block the entire RV - you've blocked western, nyanza and Ugand - all the way to congo & south sudan.

Pundit, you do not just get it. RV is not the heart of Kenya. You have to grind Nairobi to a halt in order to bring Kenya to its knees. Kalejins do not have the might and even the will to bring Kenya's biggest cities apart form Eldoret to a halt. Forget another 2007 bacause of Ruto. He will be on his own and after the murder of Kenei am not sure how many Kales are ready to follow him. People are seeing his true colours. A man who goes on Sunday to church and nobody knows what he does the rest of the week.

Even my Kyuk friends who are pro Ruto have gone silent. The say the clouds are sign of the rains to come.

[RV Pundit]

What did the Nandis of 1895 have when they put the longest and strongest resistance in this part of Africa lasting more than 10yrs.

And that was just Nandis.

Imagine if Kalenjin have united against the Brits. Brits were about to give up colonizing Nandi.

1992 you had the state machinery. More than 60% of GSU, military and police force was Kalenjin. 2007 you still had large numbers of kalenjins in the military and police force but things have changed now. Honestly I do not see how kalenjins alone can shut down Kenya.

[RV Pundit]

It not about arrows - weapons can be easily upgraded - it a system that kicks in - it's an entire war infrastructure. I don't think even after 30yrs you've come to understand how effective the Kalenjin war infrastructure really is...despite it kicking out 300K people in 92..and 600K people in 2007 in 3 days.

You dismiss it - then come crying Ruto is warlord That it was network sijui with command.

The system goes like thing. A war cry is sounded...nearly every kalenjin goes into a war mode...nearly a million warrior force is raised - dressed, armed and assembled - they all have rudimentary training in warfar - in a blink of a second - the rest goes into supporting role.

Now imagine pitting 1m against KDF of 25,000 - imagine if you could arm them. Kenya will be GONE in a blink of an eye - at least it would be impossible to govern kalenjin land.

You want to compare that with getting a few dare-devils boys in kibra and kondele to face bullets...

B-bu-but they can make poison tipped arrows and are in listening mode for a war cry 

[Dear Mami]

They only wanted Kenya to guarantee access to the Lake from the ocean and Germans were moving upwards from TZ; Be4, explorers and such begged the Brits to colonize this area and they refused, for nearly 60 years coz it was not economically viable. We only became important because of the jewel, Egypt, and what was then understood to be the source of the Nile waters. I doubt they would have given up because of Nandi. Old-time Bazungu would've genocided Nandi if that was what it took. The contingents sent to colonize places like Kenya weren't always very big but they would've gotten bigger if that's what it took: Egypt and India were everything to the British empire.

[RV Pundit]

It very likely they would have gone for indirect rule...allowing Koitatel to rule Nandis as long as he let the Brits do whatever they want..like it happen when Brits found strong leadership.

They only wanted Kenya to guarantee access to the Lake from the ocean and Germans were moving upwards from TZ; Be4, explorers and such begged the Brits to colonize this area and they refused, for nearly 60 years coz it was not economically viable. We only became important because of the jewel, Egypt, and what was then understood to be the source of the Nile waters. I doubt they would have given up because of Nandi. Old-time Bazungu would've genocided Nandi if that was what it took. The contingents sent to colonize places like Kenya weren't always very big but they would've gotten bigger if that's what it took: Egypt and India were everything to the British empire.

[Dear Mami]

That's possible.

[RV Pundit]

Well at least the Brits lied to Samoei they were doing that - coming to negotiate to leave the nandi territory alone - before they massacred his entire homestead. They had been unable to defeat Koitalel and Nandi for 10yrs despite assembling troops from all over east africa.

That's possible.

[Pragmatic]

For the umpteenth time.... Let it sink in to Pundito. I have not been as clear as this Robina.

There will be no PEV 2.. Ruto is neither stupid nor suicidal. Kalenjin alone despite your hubris don't have the muscle to pull it off. They would kill, loot and burn - then equally get killed, maybe jailed, and Ruto would lose BIG politically. Raila would be the biggest winner. Warriors need Raila non-Gema political cover. RV alone without grinding the country to a halt... in Nairobi,  Mombasa, Kisumu - Kibaki would not have agreed to NARA. Now Ruto does not even have Maa - who in fact might launch attacks on Kipsigis. No Kibra and Mathare thugs. No Raila to spin the media. No Balala to light up bonfires in Mombasa. There would be blood mainly in Kericho and Uasin Gishu - small places of little importance - unless Kalenjin double down with Luhya and Gusii - and make it fully 41 vs 1. Rest of the country would be dead quiet as people watch Kalenjin madness on TV. Kalenjin might need to hide elsewhere. Kiunjuris and Kurias would need a hole to hide as they become traitors. The economy would definitely not tank because all or even most of the production does not occur there.

[Nefertiti]

Only Pundit is bothered or convinced of the mighty Kalenjin warcraft. Which will occur after Ruto is beaten. So now not just Gema but everyone must vote Ruto or else. Methinks we are looking at Kinjeketile Maji Maji and her bulletproof army of spears.

These tantrums and threats are a routine whenever Ruto is cornered.

For the umpteenth time.... Let it sink in to Pundito. I have not been as clear as this Robina.

There will be no PEV 2.. Ruto is neither stupid nor suicidal. Kalenjin alone despite your hubris don't have the muscle to pull it off. They would kill, loot and burn - then equally get killed, maybe jailed, and Ruto would lose BIG politically. Raila would be the biggest winner. Warriors need Raila non-Gema political cover. RV alone without grinding the country to a halt... in Nairobi,  Mombasa, Kisumu - Kibaki would not have agreed to NARA. Now Ruto does not even have Maa - who in fact might launch attacks on Kipsigis. No Kibra and Mathare thugs. No Raila to spin the media. No Balala to light up bonfires in Mombasa. There would be blood mainly in Kericho and Uasin Gishu - small places of little importance - unless Kalenjin double down with Luhya and Gusii - and make it fully 41 vs 1. Rest of the country would be dead quiet as people watch Kalenjin madness on TV. Kalenjin might need to hide elsewhere. Kiunjuris and Kurias would need a hole to hide as they become traitors. The economy would definitely not tank because all or even most of the production does not occur there.

[Kadudu]

Nothing will happen if Ruto is beaten fair or unfair in an election.
The same shenigians who failed to establish a fair electoral system will be the victims of their makings.

Only Pundit is bothered or convinced of the mighty Kalenjin warcraft. Which will occur after Ruto is beaten. So now not just Gema but everyone must vote Ruto or else. Methinks we are looking at Kinjeketile Maji Maji and her bulletproof army of spears.

These tantrums and threats are a routine whenever Ruto is cornered.

[RV Pundit]

I am bothered by any breakdown btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus relationship - that will deteriorate into a war that will suck Luos, Luhyas and Gussii. I have been around to know this. Kalenjin will not take Uhuru betrayal (if it was to come to that) lightly. Definitely they will start murmurs about land..and next thing we will be there.

I think luckily majority of GEMA leadership and laity ..and Kalenjin leadership & laity...do not want to go there.

Once it starts it's uncontrollable. This weekend I saw Maasai and Kalenjin student squaring very badly in college in Nakuru...thanks to Ledama BBI. You don't need PHD to know Kispigis-Maasai war is long coming.

These things start this way - bar brawls -e-wars - and eventually it go full scale. Ruto will provide a community-wide scale.

https://southriftherald.co.ke/2020/03/07/rvists-students-attacked-over-election-results/

Only Pundit is bothered or convinced of the mighty Kalenjin warcraft. Which will occur after Ruto is beaten. So now not just Gema but everyone must vote Ruto or else. Methinks we are looking at Kinjeketile Maji Maji and her bulletproof army of spears.

These tantrums and threats are a routine whenever Ruto is cornered.

[RV Pundit]

You expect luos will riot in Kibra and Kondele but you expect kalenjin to go home and nurse their wounds . I think you need to change your drug supplier. Kalenjin need to plan for losing because I think for 10yrs now they've only plan for Ruto as PORK. If they don't lower their expectation - the frustration - couple with millions of idle youths - will be catastrophic.

And don't come & blame Ruto...he will be innocent.

If it comes to that - I'd warn anyone living in RV or near - who ain't kalenjin to get as far as possible. 2007 will look like child play.

Nothing will happen if Ruto is beaten fair or unfair in an election.
The same shenigians who failed to establish a fair electoral system will be the victims of their makings.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Nothing will happen if Ruto is beaten fair or unfair in an election.
The same shenigians who failed to establish a fair electoral system will be the victims of their makings.

Only Pundit is bothered or convinced of the mighty Kalenjin warcraft. Which will occur after Ruto is beaten. So now not just Gema but everyone must vote Ruto or else. Methinks we are looking at Kinjeketile Maji Maji and her bulletproof army of spears.

These tantrums and threats are a routine whenever Ruto is cornered.

Fair is what Chebukati says is fair .

[Dear Mami]

Well at least the Brits lied to Samoei they were doing that - coming to negotiate to leave the nandi territory alone - before they massacred his entire homestead. They had been unable to defeat Koitalel and Nandi for 10yrs despite assembling troops from all over east africa.

That's possible.

Pundit, there's no way Nandi would've defeated the Empire: It's just a q of how important the colony was, whether it was worth the headache to them. To think they wouldve let exclusive access to the lake go is to underestimate imperial capitalist greed and the might of the British empire. Rem, this was the pre-Human Rights World Super Power.