I hope Democrats lose - Obama is the biggest fraud

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Kamala is a witch, ye! Btw her and Bloomberg, Idk who's worse. I guess her sociopathic actions were motivated by sheer ambition whereas Bloomberg is an uncomplicated, old-style racist. However, Biden did oppose bussing, lies abt Mandela/Apartheid (though I still insist this is confusion rather than lying, putting everything in context) and pushed for the 90s crime bill/drugs stuff that decimated the AA community, along with Hillary. I honestly believe the only reason Black pple feel comfortable with him is his association with Obama, but Obama chose him in 2008 to win over Whites who would otherwise feel uncomfortable voting for a Black guy. I absolutely do not think he's racist, I just don't believe that he ever gave two cents abt Black pple. It's better than Trump, Bloomberg etc. It just doesn't inspire my enthusiastic support. He's also libertarian. Virtually no diff btw him and say, George Bush Jr.

I see the DNC as the bonafide Republican, conservative party whereas the RNC has turned fascist-ish. There's no Left party in the U.S.

Good, let America remain a beacon of free market economics and laissez faire capitalism. Not every country has to follow the failed leftist socialist model. Leftist inspired socialism is what has made Venezuela and other Latin American countries into basket cases.

[Georgesoros]

Kamala is a witch, ye! Btw her and Bloomberg, Idk who's worse. I guess her sociopathic actions were motivated by sheer ambition whereas Bloomberg is an uncomplicated, old-style racist. However, Biden did oppose bussing, lies abt Mandela/Apartheid (though I still insist this is confusion rather than lying, putting everything in context) and pushed for the 90s crime bill/drugs stuff that decimated the AA community, along with Hillary. I honestly believe the only reason Black pple feel comfortable with him is his association with Obama, but Obama chose him in 2008 to win over Whites who would otherwise feel uncomfortable voting for a Black guy. I absolutely do not think he's racist, I just don't believe that he ever gave two cents abt Black pple. It's better than Trump, Bloomberg etc. It just doesn't inspire my enthusiastic support. He's also libertarian. Virtually no diff btw him and say, George Bush Jr.

I see the DNC as the bonafide Republican, conservative party whereas the RNC has turned fascist-ish. There's no Left party in the U.S.

Biden rode the train to Washington for 30yrs, when serving Delaware. A very humble guy.
Even Bloomberg rode the train some mornings when he was mayor of NYC. He made NYC what it is now after 911. One of the bst mayors for 12yrs

[Dear Mami]

Biden rode the train to Washington for 30yrs, when serving Delaware. A very humble guy.
Even Bloomberg rode the train some mornings when he was mayor of NYC. He made NYC what it is now after 911. One of the best mayors for 12yrs

What do you make of his willful targetting of Brown/Black people in the stop and frisk thing? I really don't see how he could be defended if you listen to his audios. He sounds like a straight-up, bonafide old-style racist who doesn't so much 'hate' non-Whites as just frankly sees them as/fully believes they are inferior, roho safi tu. He knew the effects but was ok with it because he sees criminality as inherent in Black/Brown DNA but not White DNA.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Kamala is a witch, ye! Btw her and Bloomberg, Idk who's worse. I guess her sociopathic actions were motivated by sheer ambition whereas Bloomberg is an uncomplicated, old-style racist. However, Biden did oppose bussing, lies abt Mandela/Apartheid (though I still insist this is confusion rather than lying, putting everything in context) and pushed for the 90s crime bill/drugs stuff that decimated the AA community, along with Hillary. I honestly believe the only reason Black pple feel comfortable with him is his association with Obama, but Obama chose him in 2008 to win over Whites who would otherwise feel uncomfortable voting for a Black guy. I absolutely do not think he's racist, I just don't believe that he ever gave two cents abt Black pple. It's better than Trump, Bloomberg etc. It just doesn't inspire my enthusiastic support. He's also libertarian. Virtually no diff btw him and say, George Bush Jr.

I see the DNC as the bonafide Republican, conservative party whereas the RNC has turned fascist-ish. There's no Left party in the U.S.

Biden's opposition to busing as far I can tell was about methods of desegregation rather than any meaningful disagreement with desegregation.  His crime bill legislation was just that.  Tough on crime.  The communities most affected by crime were black.  You can have a well intended bill, that turns out to be a disaster in practice.  The outcome is at odds with the intention.  Having followed Biden since the 90s in real time, way before anyone knew of Obama, I am inclined to go with the more innocent explanations.

The "Mandela lies" are fact-checked here https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/biden-admits-he-was-stopped-not-arrested-in-south-africa/.  It seems like a lot of ado about semantics and embellishments. 

    Biden, Feb. 28: And here’s the deal, I was with a black delegation, the CBC, the Congressional Black Caucus. They had me get off a plane. The Afrikaners got on in their short pants and their guns, let me off for — led me off first and moved me in a direction totally different. I turned around and everybody — the entire black delegation was going another way. I said, I’m not going to go in that door that says white only. I’m going with them. They said, you’re not. You can’t move.

    You can’t go with them. And they — and they kept me there until finally I decided they were clear I wasn’t going to move. And so what they finally did, they said, OK, they’ll not going to make the congressional delegation go through the black door. They’re not going to make me go through the white door. They went — took us out — if my memory serves me, through a baggage claim area up to a restaurant and they cleared out a restaurant.

    I felt strongly about apartheid. One of the reasons we were there. And after — long after this, when Nelson Mandela was freed and came to the United States, he came in my office. He was one of the most incredible men I ever met. He sat down in my office and thanked me — thanked me for trying to — all the work I did on apartheid.

    And so that’s — that’s the context of it. When I said arrested, I meant I was not able to — I was not able to move. Cops, Afrikaners, would not let me go with them. Made me stay where I was. I guess I wasn’t arrested, I was stopped. I was not able to move where I wanted to go.

As a campaign dig, a racist tag on Biden, whether current or past, just seems like scraping at the bottom.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Biden rode the train to Washington for 30yrs, when serving Delaware. A very humble guy.
Even Bloomberg rode the train some mornings when he was mayor of NYC. He made NYC what it is now after 911. One of the best mayors for 12yrs

What do you make of his willful targetting of Brown/Black people in the stop and frisk thing? I really don't see how he could be defended if you listen to his audios. He sounds like a straight-up, bonafide old-style racist who doesn't so much 'hate' non-Whites as just frankly sees them as/fully believes they are inferior, roho safi tu. He knew the effects but was ok with it because he sees criminality as inherent in Black/Brown DNA but not White DNA.

Bloomberg is probably just a regular white person.  He has racial bias but is not conscious of it.  Once he becomes aware of it, he works to tamp it down.  That is not necessarily racist, but simply being a product of his environment.  Because even black people have it against fellow black people.  So his racial insensitivity could be misconstrued for racism.

[Georgesoros]

Biden rode the train to Washington for 30yrs, when serving Delaware. A very humble guy.
Even Bloomberg rode the train some mornings when he was mayor of NYC. He made NYC what it is now after 911. One of the best mayors for 12yrs

What do you make of his willful targetting of Brown/Black people in the stop and frisk thing? I really don't see how he could be defended if you listen to his audios. He sounds like a straight-up, bonafide old-style racist who doesn't so much 'hate' non-Whites as just frankly sees them as/fully believes they are inferior, roho safi tu. He knew the effects but was ok with it because he sees criminality as inherent in Black/Brown DNA but not White DNA.

If you lived in NYC at that time, youll understand. He did not do it out of racism, rather community demanded it. The number of gun related murders committed by young people was staggering. Community wanted strong reaction, and soon there were few guns related murders. Problem is that he did not stop it soon enough. Bloomberg is a pragmatist, not an ideologue.

[Georgesoros]

Biden rode the train to Washington for 30yrs, when serving Delaware. A very humble guy.
Even Bloomberg rode the train some mornings when he was mayor of NYC. He made NYC what it is now after 911. One of the best mayors for 12yrs

What do you make of his willful targetting of Brown/Black people in the stop and frisk thing? I really don't see how he could be defended if you listen to his audios. He sounds like a straight-up, bonafide old-style racist who doesn't so much 'hate' non-Whites as just frankly sees them as/fully believes they are inferior, roho safi tu. He knew the effects but was ok with it because he sees criminality as inherent in Black/Brown DNA but not White DNA.

Bloomberg is probably just a regular white person.  He has racial bias but is not conscious of it.  Once he becomes aware of it, he works to tamp it down.  That is not necessarily racist, but simply being a product of his environment.  Because even black people have it against fellow black people.  So his racial insensitivity could be misconstrued for racism.

EXACLY!!!

[Dear Mami]

That version you quoted came after Biden was fact-checked after telling that story several times; the media found no records and people with him to back it up, and the US Ambassador in SA at the time expressed extreme doubt that anything like that could've happened to an American congressman. Then the explanation came, it wasnt arrest, but something else. I'm ok with the idea that happened and Biden exaggerated it to make it look like he was a similar civil rights-type fighter for Blacks back then. PS: He said he was arrested trying to visit Mandela and mentioned Soweto and Robben Island; none of the details made sense.

Bloomberg's is worse. We're not talking 30/40 years ago but just a short while ago in New York of all places. It's much more likely his recent shift when running a national election campaign is just saving face, and only after the audios were released online. I don't know regular White people who say things like he was saying apart from people I argue with from the alt-right. They'd be more cautious, unless we were talking 30 years ago. He is in his 70s, just a regular old-style racist who never changed his mind. Hate him? No. But I don't see how he's any better than Trump.

[Dear Mami]

This is what Biden said be4:

Mr Biden - at the time a senator for Delaware - said he had been visiting the country with a delegation of American officials, and had planned to visit Mandela in prison.

But during the trip, Mr Biden said he had "had the great honour of being arrested with our UN ambassador on the streets of Soweto" while trying to reach the civil rights leader on Robben Island. The town of Soweto is more than 760 miles (1,223km) from Robben Island.

At a black history awards brunch in Las Vegas last week, he also said Mandela had thanked him for his efforts.

"He threw his arms around me and said, 'I want to say thank you,'" Mr Biden told onlookers. "I said, 'What are you thanking me for, Mr President?' He said: 'You tried to see me. You got arrested trying to see me.'"

That's def not the same story: And how would Mandela know/say this if Biden never actually got arrested for him? Apparently no one else in S.A. or the U.S. knew abt this but Mandela and Biden.

Mr Biden's account of what happened has been rebuffed by Andrew Young, the US ambassador to the UN at the time, who says he travelled with Mr Biden to South Africa.

Local media have also failed to find any evidence of an arrest being made.

Fact-checkers at the Washington Post called the claim "ridiculous" on Tuesday as they awarded it four Pinocchios.

On Tuesday Mr Biden's deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, told reporters Mr Biden had been referring to an incident when "he was separated from his party at Johannesburg airport".

When a journalist noted that being separated did not equate with an arrest, Ms Bedingfield repeated that it had been a "separation".

"They, he was not allowed to go through the same door that the - the rest of the party he was with," said Ms Bedingfield. "Obviously, it was apartheid South Africa. There was a white door, there was a black door. He did not want to go through the white door and have the rest of the party go through the black door. He was separated."

I don't know how going through a separate door from Black people at an airport 760 miles away from Robben Island, in a country with racial segregation policies, could possibly be described as "I was arrested with the UN Ambassador trying to see Mandela on the streets of Soweto."

The best way to see that is genuine confusion due to his cognitive issue. Otherwise, he made up a story for S. Carolina to counter Bernie's arrest marching with Dr. King during the civil rights movement.

The version you quoted is more similar to what Biden told in 2013 when he was completely fine, which was brought up to his campaign in the fact-check, as a challenge to the story he was telling:

The account echoes earlier comments made by Mr Biden, but a statement he made in 2013 gives a different account of his trip.

"When I exited the plane I was directed to one side of the tarmac, while the African American congressmen travelling with me were sent to the other side," said Mr Biden. "I refused to break off, and the officials finally relented."

He has faced scrutiny for his verbal gaffes and his long and sometimes controversial political career, including his vote in favour of the Iraq war.

Republicans have been hammering away at him for his son's lucrative board position with a Ukrainian natural gas firm when he was vice-president and in charge of American-Ukrainian relations. The issue was central to the Trump impeachment case.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51648166

So it's only after all this fact-checking^^^ of him that Biden finally told the version you were quoting which is likely closer to what actually happened (though this time adding he was stopped/intimidated and whatnot). Ima stick to he genuinely mixed stuff up in his head as it aligns with him mixing other stuff up like claiming to negotiate the climate deal with a Chinese leader who died in 1997. That 2013 version is in Biden's statement on Mandela's death. He mentions entering Soweto:

When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness.

But given he came up with it just one month ago while campaigning in S. Carolina, it's still very possible he simply made it up.

[Dear Mami]

What do you know? Even that story/version in the quote that he told after the fact (in which he was separated from Black congressmen and refused) seems to be fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/25/bidens-ridiculous-claim-he-was-arrested-trying-see-mandela/

Update, Feb. 26: Biden communications director Kate Bedingfield offered a puzzling explanation to reporters after the tenth Democratic debate. “He was separated from the [Congressional Black Caucus] members he was traveling with at the airport, when he landed,” she said, in trying to explain the supposed arrest. “It was a separation. He was not allowed to go through the same door as the rest of the party he was with. Obviously, this was apartheid South Africa. There was a white door. There was a black door. He did not want to go through the white door, and have the rest of the party go to the black door. He was separated." As we noted above, congressional delegations at the time did not land in South Africa but in Lesotho, a kingdom that achieved independence in 1966.

Update, Feb. 28: Biden himself was finally asked about this alleged incident, during an interview with CNN, and acknowledged he was not arrested: “I wasn’t arrested, I was stopped. I was not able to move where I wanted to go." He repeated a convoluted explanation about being stopped by South Africans, even though he was traveling to Lesotho:

“They had me get off a plane -- the Afrikaners got on in the short pants and their guns. Lead me off first and moved me in a direction totally different. I turned around and everybody, the entire black delegation, was going another way. I said, ‘I’m not going to go in that door that says white only. I’m going with them.’ They said, ‘You’re not, you can’t move, you can’t go with them.’ And they kept me there until finally I decided that it was clear I wasn’t going to move.”

After Biden’s remarks to CNN, The Fact Checker reached a white member of the mostly-black congressional delegation -- then Rep. Don Bonker (D-Wash.). Bonker, who said he strongly supports Biden for president, said he had “no recollection at all" of such an incident at the airport. “We had no problem with airports at any of the countries we visited,” he said, noting Biden "wasn’t the only white guy on the trip.” (Four of the 11 members of the delegation flying on an Air Force jet were white, according to news reports.) Bonker also said such a confrontation was unlikely in Lesotho because it was an African-run country that did not have apartheid.

The Pinocchio Test
Biden has never been shy about tooting his own horn. So it’s pretty surprising that on the eve of a primary critical to his election hopes, he suddenly recalls being arrested in South Africa — and being thanked by Mandela for being arrested. There is no evidence for either claim; neither appears remotely credible. Biden earns Four Pinocchios.

As I said, kindest way to see this is he got everything badly mixed up. But it def looks like he made it up for political reasons given timing. Even this story he told CNN is false: Afrikaaners wouldn't have been harassing him at a Lesotho airport, nor would Black congressmen have made to go through a separate door, as those who accompanied him attest- they also recall never experiencing anything like that (being separated from Blacks based on race at an airport). The UN Ambassador recalls being stopped once in Lesotho on one occasion in 76, but it had nothing to do with Apartheid S.A.

Biden has also mentioned being thanked (along with others) by Mandela before for his work in a Foreign Committee (I believe at Congress) that was in charge of sanctioning Apartheid South Africa. But this story about a private meeting in which Mandela emotionally hugged him for being arrested for trying to see him is either a clear lie or evidence of serious confusion.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't know what the Mandela angle is supposed to accomplish.  As far I can see there is enough meat on the story for either side to stick to their version.  Especially if there was a separation from his colleagues.  It just doesn't seem politically relevant.

[Dear Mami]

I don't know what the Mandela angle is supposed to accomplish.  As far I can see there is enough meat on the story for either side to stick to their version.  Especially if there was a separation from his colleagues.  It just doesn't seem politically relevant.

It was a Lesotho airport and there was no separation. It just never happened.

You don't think it's at least ugly to make up a false 'civil rights hero' story? He never suffered for Black people and is now pretending he did. If he's confused, that's forgivable, but not if he's making it up.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't know what the Mandela angle is supposed to accomplish.  As far I can see there is enough meat on the story for either side to stick to their version.  Especially if there was a separation from his colleagues.  It just doesn't seem politically relevant.

It was a Lesotho airport and there was no separation. It just never happened.

You don't think it's at least ugly to make up a false 'civil rights hero' story?

Of course it's unbecoming.  But these guys are not saints.  And in 2020, where the oval office occupant tells a demonstrable lie every time he opens his mouth, a fib about an event decades in the past is not going to hurt Biden.

[Dear Mami]

I don't know what the Mandela angle is supposed to accomplish.  As far I can see there is enough meat on the story for either side to stick to their version.  Especially if there was a separation from his colleagues.  It just doesn't seem politically relevant.

It was a Lesotho airport and there was no separation. It just never happened.

You don't think it's at least ugly to make up a false 'civil rights hero' story?

Of course it's unbecoming.  But these guys are not saints.  And in 2020, where the oval office occupant tells a demonstrable lie every time he opens his mouth, a fib about an event decades in the past is not going to hurt Biden.

Well sure, it doesn't make him worse than Trump but it does justify my critique of him which you guys were protesting. I've also read up on his busing history and it doesn't seem innocent; just convenient/pragmatic and something he did out of pressure from his racist White constituents. Again, is he worse than Trump? Nope. But certainly no one I'd consider a friend to Black people in any special way beyond being VP to a Black President.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't know what the Mandela angle is supposed to accomplish.  As far I can see there is enough meat on the story for either side to stick to their version.  Especially if there was a separation from his colleagues.  It just doesn't seem politically relevant.

It was a Lesotho airport and there was no separation. It just never happened.

You don't think it's at least ugly to make up a false 'civil rights hero' story?

Of course it's unbecoming.  But these guys are not saints.  And in 2020, where the oval office occupant tells a demonstrable lie every time he opens his mouth, a fib about an event decades in the past is not going to hurt Biden.

Well sure, it doesn't make him worse than Trump but it does justify my critique of him which you guys were protesting. I've also read up on his busing history and it doesn't seem innocent; just convenient/pragmatic and something he did out of pressure from his racist White constituents. Again, is he worse than Trump? Nope. But certainly no one I'd consider a friend to Black people in any special way beyond being VP to a Black President.

If your critique is he has a racist past, I disagree.  There was pressure from some racists.  But it's possible to disagree with busing because you think a different approach to ending segregation is more appropriate.

[Dear Mami]

Ok, we can agree to disagree: To me, Biden was someone friendly with segregationists and more sympathetic to the concerns of his White constituents who did not want to integrate than Black people--so much he became their champion (those opposed). He also strongly dismissed the idea of reparations in the same terms the right does, "It's not my responsibility, sorry," (paraphrased), a champion of a bill that decimated Black people, and even today is not above making up stories abt the most revered Black heroes. I'm comfortable seeing him as a typical man of his day: One who strongly went along with racist agendas for political reasons: that qualifies as a racist past to me. He aint Trump, yes, only Bloomberg is comparable to Trump: i.e with a proud prejudiced attitude. But I just don't see a single reason to support him (Biden) besides, 'He's not Trump', and indeed that's my only reason for telling my family to vote 4 him. In addition his is a libertarian philosophy.

[Nefertiti]

I think being cognitive dissonant is worse than lying. Because leadership is about judgement more than honesty. Biden's incoherence and dubious past will be exposed at the next debate with Sanders. Sanders should hammer him hard for his Congressional record of NAFTA, Iraq and anti-welfare.

Is it true he recently mixed up his wife and sister? Trump will have a ball with the bloke.

[Dear Mami]

Is it true he recently mixed up his wife and sister?

He did but only for a split second, On watching it for myself, yesterday, I thought he may have just forgotten who was where as they were behind him rather than mixed them up per se. But Biden has mixed up a TON of things the past few months, in general. People keep calling them his typical 'gaffes' but old Joe gaffes were more about saying inappropriate/awkward things without thinking through ramifications. Never did they indicate he was somehow 'lost'/confused like this latest ones. I saw an interview he did on Sanders in 2016 during the Hillary stuff and I forgot abt the reason I was watching in the first place: He was just so present/sharp. It's not the same guy now running. It's possible he's just tired, though. I've heard someone on an interview say he's gotten sharper/energized since S. Carolina, but I don't buy it: the Declaration of Independence thing was just the other day. We'll see. Just watch for his VP pick, that's who matters most, IMO.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Bernie had a literal heart attack.  But that’s not why he’d lose in a general.  He is an uncompromising ideologue.  And apparently a dipshit who can’t even secure Elizabeth Warren’s endorsement.  Think about that.  And I know he has good heart(not the literal one duh).

[Dear Mami]

A dead president is easily replaced. No one knows what to do with a senile one: Read abt Reagan's decline in the 80s. Its a crisis in the making. I'll take a heart condition any day over dementia. People recover from heart problems, not dementia. My dad had Alzheimers and it's plain irresponsible to put that in charge of the country. They can't even be left alone and worse, it increases with stress which campaigning certainly involves.

Call Bernie dips* all you want, his civil rights creds are not in question, nor did he collude with segregationists nor try to cut social security over and over again, nor push/support a war that devastated countless people. His actions vouch for him.