Is it Uhuru or Matiangi or Waiguru or Raila or even Kalonzo or maDVD

[Nefertiti]

I mean videos of Gema heckling or walking out on Uhuru. It easily possible to organize a few hecklers... as in Kinoru. It why your story of chiefs vetting folks doesn't add up. Why did they stay and listen to Kiraitu and Kimemia if they are anti-BBI? Or are they just anti-Raila? These are random Kamau and Gitongas who attend rallies. Noone is being paid or careful stage-managing as you and Garliv have been spinning here. Even places like Kitui or Mombasa where Kuria get chased is just random pro-Joho or -Ngilu nobodies. Not hired thugs. Of course there is no such hostility against BBI and Raila in the alleged Ruto stronghold of Mt Kenya. Instead you claim Raila sore throat is rejection Sijui he has failing health?

If Mt Kenya was Ruto stronghold we would be seeing Eldoret kind of anti-BBI resistance. Or Kisumu anti-Ruto hostility. Not cheering crowds 

There videos are all over - I am surprised you haven't seen any.
https://www.facebook.com/Mtiriri/videos/10221802067584707/
Yesterday BBI in meru was not smooth as was anticipated, the ODM leader Hon. Raila Odinga addressed almost empty stadium when the residents of meru started moving out.Raila Odinga was summarizing the local issues that the BBI will address. He was received with heckling and jeers as he was addressing the rally, a group of attendees started leaving kinoru stadium.

[Nefertiti]

I guess all these Ruto diehards could not resist Raila charm. They should have stayed at home otherwise


A section of the crowd at Kinoru Grounds, Meru, on Saturday, February 29, 2020


Ruto frogs made noises but were ignored by the cow

How Plan to Block Raila From Mt Kenya BBI Meeting Backfired
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/50266-inside-plan-lock-raila-out-mtkenya-meeting

[Nefertiti]

"I've been sent by Uhuru to tell you those crocodiles you [Raila] encountered in River Jordan on your way to Canaan have now been neutralised by himself [Uhuru]. So, hold our hand and cross with us to the promised land.

    --Meru Governor Kiraitu Murungu

By "crocodiles have been neutralised" Kiraitu/Uhuru meant noone will rig out Raila... Ruto goose is cooked.

[RV Pundit]

Btw you n Raila who is more naive

[Nefertiti]

Btw you n Raila who is more naive

I am pragmatic so I have advised Raila to retire as [ceremonial] PORK as his dad dreamed. Bringing back parliamentary cements his reform profile.

Of course you are more desperate than Ruto... don't worry Ruto will be Kenya's 5th Kiongozi ya Upinzani - same as Raila 5th PORK. Ruto might even be more powerful as recommended under BBI.

[Nefertiti]

Ceremonial PORK is indeed good soft landing for Raila. As you been repeatedly advising him. Heavy duties Prince Uhuru will be carrying on... until another prince come of age. Son of a peasant is DOA. Kenya might embrace such "hardworking" nobodies in 50-100 years time in future.

[RV Pundit]

Nobody is proposing such systems and you expect Haji to pull this recommendation from where.Tell you what...write an email to them about this genius idea otherwise Raila is going for PORK who is head of gov n state according to his ODM mouthpiece

[Nefertiti]

Actually several parties, governors and NGOs proposed it. E.g. Chap Chap wants PM to be majority or coalition leader -"appointed" by PORK, forms and runs cabinet, fired by 2/3. Haji has 100+ presentations from churches, NGOs and the shebang. This one-man-one-vote and PORK appointing PM has emerged suddenly to counter Ruto and Kuria propaganda that Gema will be shortchanged.

Of course we all know BBI is an orchestra that sing Uhuru song.

[RV Pundit]

All nice except you're are looking for a system where PM is not a glorified Duale but true head of gov and PORK is only the head of state. Nobody in kenya is proposing that. The fear of two centers of powers and the fear of unaccountable PM (elected only by some bribed or compromised Mps) works against parliamentary system. Tell you what parliamentary system really only work in Europe with morachies - kings - otherwise in africa - it will be civil war btw PORK and PM - unless one is clearly subservient - a glorified Duale.

It very likely we will move from US pure presidential to French semi-presidential system - if Raila can surmount the hurdles. Those hurdles are not easy.

Nobody buying parliamentary system in Kenya with Mpigs enjoying such a reputation.

Republican forms of government:
  Blue-Presidential republics with an executive presidency separate from the legislature
  Yellow-Semi-presidential system with both an executive presidency and a separate head of government that leads the rest of the executive, who is appointed by the president and accountable to the legislature
 Orange- Parliamentary republics with a ceremonial and non-executive president, where a separate head of government leads the executive and is dependent on the confidence of the legislature
  Republics with an executive presidency elected by the legislature

Actually several parties, governors and NGOs proposed it. E.g. Chap Chap wants PM to be majority or coalition leader -"appointed" by PORK, forms and runs cabinet, fired by 2/3. Haji has 100+ presentations from churches, NGOs and the shebang. This one-man-one-vote and PORK appointing PM has emerged suddenly to counter Ruto and Kuria propaganda that Gema will be shortchanged.

Of course we all know BBI is an orchestra that sing Uhuru song.

[Nefertiti]

That map confuse red and orange which are both parliamentary. Germany, Ethiopia, India, Israel, Malaysia. italy, etc. They have no monarchs and not all in Europe.

Let wait and see why Kenyatta is doing all the heavy lifting. Not for Raila and Waiguru I tell you. Best bet is for himself which means Exec PM not semi- or Duale or such.

[Nefertiti]

It not rocket science to change katiba. A mere hapless Aukot wiith briefcase party could do it sembuse Uhuru and Raila?

Haji Report - June
Draft Bill - July
Signatures - October
Counties - January
Parliament - April
Referendum - July 2021

I hope by now you don't still think Ruto can block it in Parliament or counties or even courts. He has lost all those fronts. It is what Uhuru has been lining up between BBI 1 and now.

This long time table leaves a whole year to elections.

[RV Pundit]

It not rocket science to change katiba. A mere hapless Aukot wiith briefcase party could do it sembuse Uhuru and Raila?

Haji Report - June
Draft Bill - July
Signatures - October
Counties - January
Parliament - April
Referendum - July 2021

I hope by now you don't still think Ruto can block it in Parliament or counties or even courts. He has lost all those fronts. It is what Uhuru has been lining up between BBI 1 and now.

This long time table leaves a whole year to elections.

Your tmelines are like a clockwork and you get into June  2021.Signature collection give it three months.IEBC verification give it 3 months.Counties need 3 months.Parliament both house give it indefinite or 3 months..now you're already in June 2021.Now IEBC will need time and money to prepare for referendum including maybe official campaign period of two months..give that six months.You see we are already in 2022.We hold referendum in Q1 and election in Q2.Now I haven't factored judiciary or iebc or Ruto throwing a wrench or delaying the process for some few months.Uhuru can as well throw his legacy out of the window... because this BBI thing will be main topic till 2022.

[RV Pundit]

That map confuse red and orange which are both parliamentary. Germany, Ethiopia, India, Israel, Malaysia. italy, etc. They have no monarchs and not all in Europe.

Let wait and see why Kenyatta is doing all the heavy lifting. Not for Raila and Waiguru I tell you. Best bet is for himself which means Exec PM not semi- or Duale or such.

No evidence that Uhuru is pulling all stops in BBI.He should have been in kinoru himself

[Nefertiti]

It not rocket science to change katiba. A mere hapless Aukot wiith briefcase party could do it sembuse Uhuru and Raila?

Haji Report - June
Draft Bill - July
Signatures - October
Counties - January
Parliament - April
Referendum - July 2021

I hope by now you don't still think Ruto can block it in Parliament or counties or even courts. He has lost all those fronts. It is what Uhuru has been lining up between BBI 1 and now.

This long time table leaves a whole year to elections.

Your tmelines are like a clockwork and you get into June  2021.Signature collection give it three months.IEBC verification give it 3 months.Counties need 3 months.Parliament both house give it indefinite or 3 months..now you're already in June 2021.Now IEBC will need time and money to prepare for referendum including maybe official campaign period of two months..give that six months.You see we are already in 2022.We hold referendum in Q1 and election in Q2.Now I haven't factored judiciary or iebc or Ruto throwing a wrench or delaying the process for some few months.Uhuru can as well throw his legacy out of the window... because this BBI thing will be main topic till 2022.

If you read carefully you will see I have allocated 3 months everywhere. Parliament under Uhuru and Raila can pass in a week. Remember even rejection trigger referendum. MPs and Mdvds eyeing DPM or CS will back it of course.

Ukur Yattani already has IEBC budget which Ichung'wa will be outvoted in budget committee. MPs care first and foremost about themselves - so parliamentary not gutting their numbers is almost unanimous. Aukot was DOA. As you saw during Waititu hanging even Lusaka or Murkomen cannot save Ruto without numbers.

I hope Ruto has No buget... you can recycle 2010 tee shirt  He wind up with 25% and obviously get wiped out of Mt Kenya.

[Nefertiti]

Budget takes 6 months usually because there is no urgency. Now with BBI coalition of everyone but Ruto... 2 weeks.

Aukot and Gusii lady professor Gesicho Moraa something - already ran to court claiming BBI is illegal. Your stale legalism  - Justice Weldon Korir didn't blink before throwing it into dustbin with cost.

[RV Pundit]

Before responding to rest - when did Yattani budget for referendum. IEBC don't even have funds to do boundary reviews. IEBC need at least 15B for the referendum.

If you read carefully you will see I have allocated 3 months everywhere. Parliament under Uhuru and Raila can pass in a week. Remember even rejection trigger referendum. MPs and Mdvds eyeing DPM or CS will back it of course.

Ukur Yattani already has IEBC budget which Ichung'wa will be outvoted in budget committee. MPs care first and foremost about themselves - so parliamentary not gutting their numbers is almost unanimous. Aukot was DOA. As you saw during Waititu hanging even Lusaka or Murkomen cannot save Ruto without numbers.

I hope Ruto has No buget... you can recycle 2010 tee shirt  He wind up with 25% and obviously get wiped out of Mt Kenya.

[Nefertiti]

No evidence that Uhuru is pulling all stops in BBI.He should have been in kinoru himself

That Raila and Ruto KYM legwork ... their dogfight while Uhuru remain above board. Those governors, senators and machinery are clearly Uhuru hand.

[Nefertiti]

Supplementary budget get passed now and then for ad hoc items. Parliament merely debate and approve, alter or reject. Ukur Yattani has cash flow all the time it about priority. BBI of course is a national discourse so it P1.

Before responding to rest - when did Yattani budget for referendum. IEBC don't even have funds to do boundary reviews. IEBC need at least 15B for the referendum.

[RV Pundit]

Okay - I get you - except parliament actually makes the budget - not Yattan and not Uhuru. Kimani Ichungwa is the man whose committee make the budget. And that budget making is political - and if Jubilee majority - don't like something - it won't happen. I don't think Jubilee are in the mood for a referendum now or next year that could divide it.

That is an example of a hurdle that a referendum has to surmount.

Budget committee and the main house.

And before that - it has to pass through the HBC - house business committee - to be introduced.

Supplementary budget get passed now and then for ad hoc items. Parliament merely debate and approve, alter or reject. Ukur Yattani has cash flow all the time it about priority. BBI of course is a national discourse so it P1.

[Nefertiti]

You talking like there is anything called "Jubilee" with resolutions. It depends on NUMBERS - how many pro- and anti-BBI MPs are in the budet committee? Or HBC? Ruto does not have a majority - we know that. You been peddling that lie but what happened in Senate Waititu impeachment for example? Ruto could only master 11 vs 28 senators. There has been no standoff yet in parliament because Ruto knows he would come up short and be exposed. So he mainatain the lie of imaginary majority and fake Jubilee unity. Why approve Kagwes., Yattanis, Wavinyas for example? When they replace his fired crew.  He badly needs the unbwogable facade - which been crambling since the Kibra burukenge beating and is now being exposed in Central.

So... Ichung'wa is a minority in Handshake parliament. Budget will be done and passed easy peasy.