Robina..you're alone or well with Duale

[RV Pundit]

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That why I warned you to be wary of fake stories in your head. ODM now abandon parliamentary and regional..hapo Raila has seen he can take it all. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-star.co.ke/amp/news/2020-02-27-odm-abandons-position-on-government-structure/

[RV Pundit]

All of them are going for BBI 1.0 except incoming PM Duale who wants more juice in his position as Ruto PM...The rallies are just waste of time.https://www.google.co.ke/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001362024/raila-proposes-a-weak-pm

[RV Pundit]

Odm, wiper,anc, and entire brigade are saying bbi 1.0 has no issues..and Jubilee will not mind either. I guess the idea changes for Raila to go for executive pork and throw a bone to Waiguru & carry my Kenya.All dreams are valid.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit and your incoherent noises... you can't spin away everything. Kuria speaks for Gema but Duale speak only for himself  BBI is choreographed so the outcome doesn't depend on the rallies and memoranda. The "aggregate" will come to what Uhuru and Raila want. We know Uhuru is not mobilizing all the Mungas and Waigurus to crown Raila.

The options will be status quo pure presidential or parliamentary. No prizes for guessing where most of Kenya falls. After that tough luck telling Gema Ruto is better than Uhuru.

[Nefertiti]

Your spin and "concede nothing" mantra are pointless because the reality will soon contradict you. Wake me up when Kenyatta do all that mobilization for Raila.

[RV Pundit]

So odm out of the blues made yet another decoy presentation.This is unprecedented.All parties bar Duale support BBI 1.0 in their official presentation to bbi validation.I guess again we wait till June when report comes and youll disappear again.Parliamentary in Kenya will never happen.Mpigs have reputation next to cops...no way they can be trusted by Kenyans to appoint pork.

[Nefertiti]

Kenya vote depend on what the influencers tell Wanjiku - not any objective analysis - Pundit MOAS 101 Of course we know how many of those are in Ruto vs Raila corner. You can't wind reality like a majira clock when it convenient.

[RV Pundit]

Robina, read slowly the link including coments.I think your delusion is clinical .Raila has surrendered to reality..do the same.https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-02-27-odm-abandons-position-on-government-structure/

[Nefertiti]

So excited this BBI must be really bothering you...

I did read that and always read first... these are just motions. Everyone wants this and that - including governors who still want regional - ODM, Wiper and most parties want a PM appointed from the largest party/coalition (so not upto PORK really) - and who can only be fired by 2/3 MPs. PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired by PORK after "appointment" - so in short he runs the show while accountable to parliament. That is parliamentary 101. Even in UK the Queen "appoints" PM.

“As soon as possible, and in any case within 14 days after assuming office, the president shall appoint an MP from a political party having a majority of members in the National Assembly or, if no political party has a majority, who appears to have the support of the majority of the Members of Parliament, to be prime minister of the republic,” Mbadi said.

I told you already 3rd tier would be dropped for REBs - economic blocks.

Regional blocs

Yesterday, instead of calling for the creation of another tier of government as had been proposed by Raila, ODM told the BBI taskforce that regional economic blocs should be strengthened.

[RV Pundit]

Don't always read first and fast - sometimes read slowly. Going by your reasoning - Duale - as Majority Leader of parliament is PM - and we are as good as parliamentary.

Parliamentary system - PM is head of Gov - President head of state.

Now here is ODM proposal - The president, according to ODM’s proposal, shall appoint and may dismiss the Cabinet, including the PM, deputy prime ministers and ministers.

The Star further helps you...
In a parliamentary system that Raila and the party had advocated, the party with the majority seats in Parliament would form a government to be headed by prime minister with executive powers.


REB - strengthen the law - - not the constitution?

Anyway star also helps you...

When making its presentation to the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) taskforce yesterday, it became clear that the party had dumped its quest for a parliamentary system and the creation of a three-tier system of government, which its leader Raila Odinga had rooted for to improve governance.

So excited this BBI must be really bothering you...

I did read that and always read first... these are just motions. Everyone wants this and that - including governors who still want regional - ODM, Wiper and most parties want a PM appointed from the largest party/coalition (so not upto PORK really) - and who can only be fired by 2/3 MPs. PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired by PORK after "appointment" - so in short he runs the show while accountable to parliament. That is parliamentary 101. Even in UK the Queen "appoints" PM.

“As soon as possible, and in any case within 14 days after assuming office, the president shall appoint an MP from a political party having a majority of members in the National Assembly or, if no political party has a majority, who appears to have the support of the majority of the Members of Parliament, to be prime minister of the republic,” Mbadi said.

I told you already 3rd tier would be dropped for REBs - economic blocks.

Regional blocs

Yesterday, instead of calling for the creation of another tier of government as had been proposed by Raila, ODM told the BBI taskforce that regional economic blocs should be strengthened.

[RV Pundit]

Here was ODM former MP last year saying ODM had lost in BBI 1.0
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ureport/article/2001352247/odm-lost-big-in-bbi-and-must-change-tact

The most embarrassing thing maybe, for the Orange party, is the aspect of making the prospective PM vie for a parliamentary seat.

And they are loosing again.

But like 2010 - Raila is KEEN to enjoy temporary victory - win the battle and lose the war.

[Nefertiti]

Here was ODM former MP last year saying ODM had lost in BBI 1.0
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ureport/article/2001352247/odm-lost-big-in-bbi-and-must-change-tact

The most embarrassing thing maybe, for the Orange party, is the aspect of making the prospective PM vie for a parliamentary seat.

And they are loosing again.

But like 2010 - Raila is KEEN to enjoy temporary victory - win the battle and lose the war.

I don't follow... PARLIAMENTARY means cabinet - PM, ministers - are mps. What is embarassing about that? Your story about Uhuru "stooping down" to be an MP is laughable. Jomo. Moi, Kibaki were all MPs and executive PORK. Provided PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired by PORK - he is executive. He loses ceremonial roles - signing laws, swearing in judges, portraits, etc - which is the separation of power advantage in that model. The guy who runs GoK day to day is not C-in-C, not a deity and is accountable to MPs, courts, etc. Welcome to the parliamentary system.

[Kadudu]

Duale will never be PM.

All of them are going for BBI 1.0 except incoming PM Duale who wants more juice in his position as Ruto PM..

[RV Pundit]

Dream on. Uhuru will go contest for MP seat - then wait for Raila to appoint cabinet, then appoint him their headboy and fire him at will . Change your supplier. That weed is too strong.

I don't follow... PARLIAMENTARY means cabinet - PM, ministers - are mps. What is embarassing about that? Your story about Uhuru "stooping down" to be an MP is laughable. Jomo. Moi, Kibaki were all MPs and executive PORK. Provided PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired by PORK - he is executive. He loses ceremonial roles - signing laws, swearing in judges, portraits, etc - which is the separation of power advantage in that model. The guy who runs GoK day to day is not C-in-C, not a deity and is accountable to MPs, courts, etc. Welcome to the parliamentary system.

[RV Pundit]

You know how many people were offered Majority Leader - and Duale has been for two terms. Tell you what Duale is already PM - because cabinet CS needs to go through him get their legislative agenda or approval pass. He is the PM.

The main job of Raila's PM is to be in parliament answering questions on behalf of gov - Duale currently does that.

The only thing Duale lacks is the supervision role - he already does the coordination.

But we know you cannot supervise somebody you didn't appoint.

Ask Matiangi how that went - fellow CSes sent CAS - then PS - then next meeting they sent junior officials.

Duale will never be PM.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit is all over the place - conjuring realities to fit his wishes. Now Raila is supposed to have scored an own goal.

Duale will never be PM.

All of them are going for BBI 1.0 except incoming PM Duale who wants more juice in his position as Ruto PM..

[Nefertiti]

Yup - if there is a real deal I expect something similar. Say a formal BBI party/coalition like NARC - with Uhuru as Party Leader. Raila as PORK candidate. Uhuru is automatic PM just waiting for "appointment" - then he appoint and run cabinet and can only be fired by 2/3. That is generally how parliamentary works in UK, Germany, Israel and the shebang - except their presidents/queen are not elected. It a sleight of hand to fool Gema noisemakers. PORK will be ceremonial.

Dream on. Uhuru will go contest for MP seat - then wait for Raila to appoint cabinet, then appoint him their headboy and fire him at will . Change your supplier. That weed is too strong.

I don't follow... PARLIAMENTARY means cabinet - PM, ministers - are mps. What is embarassing about that? Your story about Uhuru "stooping down" to be an MP is laughable. Jomo. Moi, Kibaki were all MPs and executive PORK. Provided PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired by PORK - he is executive. He loses ceremonial roles - signing laws, swearing in judges, portraits, etc - which is the separation of power advantage in that model. The guy who runs GoK day to day is not C-in-C, not a deity and is accountable to MPs, courts, etc. Welcome to the parliamentary system.

[Nefertiti]

Duale is not the Jubilee Party Leader - that is Uhuru. Matiang'is and cabinet are appointed by and report to Uhuru. Because presently you are pure presidential. Don't spread confusion.

Don't always read first and fast - sometimes read slowly. Going by your reasoning - Duale - as Majority Leader of parliament is PM - and we are as good as parliamentary.

The Queen of England is an Absolute Monarch - head of state and government and spiritual leader - all power is delegated to PM, ministers, parliament, Lords, judges, name it. She is C-in-C complete with vessels written "HMS". Heads the Church of England and theoretically appoints all bishops and parishoners. That is de jure power. In practice since PM is majority leader s/he is merely "appointed" by queen after winning - then appoints and runs cabinet. Worse their PM can be fired by mere simple majority. Kenya proposal is 2/3. Provided PM appoints and runs cabinet and cannot be fired he is executive. We could scrap the elected ceremonial PORK nonsense down the road but for now we must appease Moses Kuria.

Parliamentary system - PM is head of Gov - President head of state.

Motions, motions. That mere ODM proposal - the wazee have a hundred proposals. I read more seriously what Uhuru parrots are saying - Atwoli, Murathe, Waiguru, Munga. The writing's on the wall.

Now here is ODM proposal - The president, according to ODM’s proposal, shall appoint and may dismiss the Cabinet, including the PM, deputy prime ministers and ministers.

The Star further helps you...
In a parliamentary system that Raila and the party had advocated, the party with the majority seats in Parliament would form a government to be headed by prime minister with executive powers.

3-tier was always DOA. REB's are semi-formal - Gema already have them for potato farming. The governors and MCAs can debate between themselves who becomes the rotating chair. It a cooperation thing not a binding coalition or merger. The carrot for Johos and Oparanyas is they run for MP and become CS under PM.

REB - strengthen the law - - not the constitution?

Anyway star also helps you...

When making its presentation to the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) taskforce yesterday, it became clear that the party had dumped its quest for a parliamentary system and the creation of a three-tier system of government, which its leader Raila Odinga had rooted for to improve governance.

[Nefertiti]

In short if Uhuru say one thing, Raila/ODM another, Ruto say nothing - let wait for BBI wazee.

In meantime where is Jubilee PG you were excited about? still mourning Moi Any sign of the elections?

[RV Pundit]

Wazee will not invent something out of the moon. They will use this public proposal. Only DUALE is calling for the parliamentary system. I think you should email your proposal to them to prop Duale.

Uhuru has never really fallen out with Ruto...it just cold-war like USSR v US - but nukes are still locked underground.

In short if Uhuru say one thing, Raila/ODM another, Ruto say nothing - let wait for BBI wazee.

In meantime where is Jubilee PG you were excited about? still mourning Moi Any sign of the elections?