Narok Senator Olekina arrested over BBI rally remarks

[Kadudu]

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One can dissagree with Ole Kina's politics, but to accuse him of incitment is a big joke. Did he call for any violence against anyone?
Btw, I agree with his sentiments. Maasailand is communal land. No one person can claim this land as has been done in the past.

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[Nefertiti]

Well he can defend himself in court. His body language is inciting... there's something provocative about his manner.

[Kadudu]

You mean the hair?

Well he can defend himself in court. His body language is inciting... there's something provocative about his manner.

[gout]

Masai have to start building permanent houses, other they will have no option but end up with their relatives in Magufuli land.

This is what likes of Ole Kina should be telling their kin. History has all the evidence that they are on a losing streak for a century and now they seem they want to continue the trend into another century.

[Garliv]

You must be joking. How can you claim Narok is for Maasai alone? Do you know the history of such kind of talks? Do you remember it was such talk that led to 2007/08?
And then you wonder why some people or regions cannot be part of this BBI...

NB: I can state with a degree of certainty that this Ledama talk is designed to lay foundation for further attacks between communities and blame Ruto. I stated a while back that these Clowns Raila/Uhuru are looking for excuse to "send Ruto to the Hague.."
Combine this with innuendos and finger-pointing that Echesa was procuring arms for some militia. It's all designed to prepare the shepple mentally that Ruto is the Villain.
So Far only Miguna Miguna seems to have figured out what's going on here.

NB... There has already been attacks on Kikuyus by some Maasai goons at Utheri wa Lari area. Ask KenyanPlato to confirm for you.
This may easily spiral out of control.

One can dissagree with Ole Kina's politics, but to accuse him of incitment is a big joke. Did he call for any violence against anyone?
Btw, I agree with his sentiments. Maasailand is communal land. No one person can claim this land as has been done in the past.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?redirect=fullsite

[Garliv]

Masaai have generally integrated vizuri. Just some rural interiors that believe "purely Maasai way of life" is still possible or viable. Ole Kina is of course playing politics by ensuring that he portray himself as Champion of Maasai. He's using traditional Maasai way of life as a political survival tool.
He has his schemes. Unfortunately arresting him make him some kind of a martyr or hero. Soon you will see demonstrations in Narok in his support. It doesn't take much effort to bring about conflict in a multi ethnic society

Masai have to start building permanent houses, other they will have no option but end up with their relatives in Magufuli land.

This is what likes of Ole Kina should be telling their kin. History has all the evidence that they are on a losing streak for a century and now they seem they want to continue the trend into another century.

[Nefertiti]

Yes.. he looks, behaves and sounds like Ntimama the late tribal warmongerer.

You mean the hair?

Well he can defend himself in court. His body language is inciting... there's something provocative about his manner.

[Nefertiti]

Oh man you're seeing Raila ghost everywhere. Maa attacks on Kikuyu or Kipsigis would not be blamed on Ruto. That's funny logic. Obviously the target of the incitement is Kipsigis (not Kikuyu) - to edge out Ruto from Maa politically. Not everything is about Kikuyu. I equally see no ICC in this Mau or BBI noises.

You must be joking. How can you claim Narok is for Maasai alone? Do you know the history of such kind of talks? Do you remember it was such talk that led to 2007/08?
And then you wonder why some people or regions cannot be part of this BBI...

NB: I can state with a degree of certainty that this Ledama talk is designed to lay foundation for further attacks between communities and blame Ruto. I stated a while back that these Clowns Raila/Uhuru are looking for excuse to "send Ruto to the Hague.."
Combine this with innuendos and finger-pointing that Echesa was procuring arms for some militia. It's all designed to prepare the shepple mentally that Ruto is the Villain.
So Far only Miguna Miguna seems to have figured out what's going on here.

NB... There has already been attacks on Kikuyus by some Maasai goons at Utheri wa Lari area. Ask KenyanPlato to confirm for you.
This may easily spiral out of control.

[Garliv]

I didn't mention Raila. But now cause you have, why didn't he condemn Ole Kina remarks? Given he's arguably the most senior politician and leader in that Rally? Did he?

Am not making it about Kikuyu. It can be attack on any other community by alleged Maasais. Then the other community may retaliate and before you know it, you have communal violence. The intended outcome.

And Ole Kina didn't restrict himself to only Kipsigis. It's all "outsiders".. Narok has about 60% Maasai. 40% are the rest.. Kipsigis, Kikuyus, Kisiis.


Raila himself said Ole Kina remarks were freedom of speech. And did he also say "outsiders should respect locals?"

Oh man you're seeing Raila ghost everywhere. Maa attacks on Kikuyu or Kipsigis would not be blamed on Ruto. That's funny logic. Obviously the target of the incitement is Kipsigis (not Kikuyu) - to edge out Ruto from Maa politically. Not everything is about Kikuyu. I equally see no ICC in this Mau or BBI noises.

You must be joking. How can you claim Narok is for Maasai alone? Do you know the history of such kind of talks? Do you remember it was such talk that led to 2007/08?
And then you wonder why some people or regions cannot be part of this BBI...

NB: I can state with a degree of certainty that this Ledama talk is designed to lay foundation for further attacks between communities and blame Ruto. I stated a while back that these Clowns Raila/Uhuru are looking for excuse to "send Ruto to the Hague.."
Combine this with innuendos and finger-pointing that Echesa was procuring arms for some militia. It's all designed to prepare the shepple mentally that Ruto is the Villain.
So Far only Miguna Miguna seems to have figured out what's going on here.

NB... There has already been attacks on Kikuyus by some Maasai goons at Utheri wa Lari area. Ask KenyanPlato to confirm for you.
This may easily spiral out of control.

[RV Pundit]

Maasai NEED EDUCATION. Anything else won't help them. They need chiefs and ass chiefs rounding them up - and taking them to school - including adult education.

As for politics - Kajiado is gone - it already part of Nairobi.

Narok is going - Kipsigis are outrunning them.

At least the pretense about MAU forest and conservation is out.

We now know their real motives is to remove kipsigis from Narok.

Tough luck because Kipsigis will out-gun the Maasai in any war.

Kipsigis do not need police to help them defend their land. They need the police to stay away.

[KenyanPlato]

Hang the bastard..

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

One can dissagree with Ole Kina's politics, but to accuse him of incitment is a big joke. Did he call for any violence against anyone?
Btw, I agree with his sentiments. Maasailand is communal land. No one person can claim this land as has been done in the past.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?redirect=fullsite

If you have watched Ole Kina, you will notice that he almost always has an undercurrent of incitement in his statements.  He is very pissed off about Maasai conditions and always looking for a scapegoat.

[Garliv]

Somehow Ole Kina blames Ruto. That it's Ruto who cannot live amicably with other communities. Ole Kina has an angle/direction they want to narrate.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-02-25-why-are-you-always-angry-ledama-blames-ruto-for-his-arrest/

[Rtee]

Ruto will take the blame for everything wrong with our systems. But we know the truth and we shall rebel at the debe station. We know who the real inciter is. And who the enabler is.

[Nefertiti]

Of course you mentioned Raila & Uhuru. He immediately gave his opinion as: aliens are free to live anywhere but must respect locals. This was a politically adept remark in a Maa public rally.

I didn't mention Raila. But now cause you have, why didn't he condemn Ole Kina remarks? Given he's arguably the most senior politician and leader in that Rally? Did he?

Kikuyu are the fulcrum and logically cannot be the target. The Kalenjin and Ruto on the other hand are a handy target. You can see already ole Kina blames hapless Ruto for the arrest. Whole saga looks choreographed to wedge Ruto and Maa. It is working.

Am not making it about Kikuyu. It can be attack on any other community by alleged Maasais. Then the other community may retaliate and before you know it, you have communal violence. The intended outcome.

And Ole Kina didn't restrict himself to only Kipsigis. It's all "outsiders".. Narok has about 60% Maasai. 40% are the rest.. Kipsigis, Kikuyus, Kisiis.

Free speech vs incitement is subject to interpretation. Ole Kina didn't cross the criminal redline but deserves a warning shot which is the arrest and bail. Raila just like Ruto is not the police. But I think Raila orchestrated this.

Raila himself said Ole Kina remarks were freedom of speech. And did he also say "outsiders should respect locals?"

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Maasai NEED EDUCATION. Anything else won't help them. They need chiefs and ass chiefs rounding them up - and taking them to school - including adult education.

As for politics - Kajiado is gone - it already part of Nairobi.

Narok is going - Kipsigis are outrunning them.

At least the pretense about MAU forest and conservation is out.

We now know their real motives is to remove kipsigis from Narok.

Tough luck because Kipsigis will out-gun the Maasai in any war.

Kipsigis do not need police to help them defend their land. They need the police to stay away.

Not sure about those boasts RV. Maasais have more heart than Kipsigis in a war plus it will be in their own turf.

Maa have woken up. Kipsigis will end up like Kikuyu squatters soon.

[Garliv]

There is nothing like adept remarks to woo Maa people. What Raila should have done as the leader and the most senior politician there is to emphatically advise akina Ole Kina and others that they can genuinely clamour for land issues in Narok to be dealt within the framework of BBI. Advise them to present proposals but they should eschew any nonsense such that "non-locals" shouldn't vie for any political seat there or they cannot purchase land or "the outsiders must respect the locals (what exactly does respecting the locals mean? Speaking their language? Not doing business there?)

I wish someone would advise Baba and tell him when to sound and be firm as a leader. Not be carried by the need to please Maasai people when at the same time creating friction with others. Its a lose lose situation..

Of course you mentioned Raila & Uhuru. He immediately gave his opinion as: aliens are free to live anywhere but must respect locals. This was a politically adept remark in a Maa public rally.

I didn't mention Raila. But now cause you have, why didn't he condemn Ole Kina remarks? Given he's arguably the most senior politician and leader in that Rally? Did he?

Kikuyu are the fulcrum and logically cannot be the target. The Kalenjin and Ruto on the other hand are a handy target. You can see already ole Kina blames hapless Ruto for the arrest. Whole saga looks choreographed to wedge Ruto and Maa. It is working.

Am not making it about Kikuyu. It can be attack on any other community by alleged Maasais. Then the other community may retaliate and before you know it, you have communal violence. The intended outcome.

And Ole Kina didn't restrict himself to only Kipsigis. It's all "outsiders".. Narok has about 60% Maasai. 40% are the rest.. Kipsigis, Kikuyus, Kisiis.

Free speech vs incitement is subject to interpretation. Ole Kina didn't cross the criminal redline but deserves a warning shot which is the arrest and bail. Raila just like Ruto is not the police. But I think Raila orchestrated this.

Raila himself said Ole Kina remarks were freedom of speech. And did he also say "outsiders should respect locals?"

[Nefertiti]

Raila like Uhuru is doing very well. Ruto is cornered in most of non-Gema. You of course imagine he needs to worry how he looks to Mt Kenya but you're wrong. Uhuru's onto the money over there... see how he is edging Ruto out with BBI in Meru. Ruto was to attend instead Kiraitu asks Tangatanga to keep off.  Raila is the chief guest.

This is realpolitik and chiding Maa and ole Kina would have been politically incorrect. "Respecting the locals" was presented to Haji crew as not subdiving the land for settlement. It must remain contiguous and agricultural.

There is nothing like adept remarks to woo Maa people. What Raila should have done as the leader and the most senior politician there is to emphatically advise akina Ole Kina and others that they can genuinely clamour for land issues in Narok to be dealt within the framework of BBI. Advise them to present proposals but they should eschew any nonsense such that "non-locals" shouldn't vie for any political seat there or they cannot purchase land or "the outsiders must respect the locals (what exactly does respecting the locals mean? Speaking their language? Not doing business there?)

I wish someone would advise Baba and tell him when to sound and be firm as a leader. Not be carried by the need to please Maasai people when at the same time creating friction with others. Its a lose lose situation..

Of course you mentioned Raila & Uhuru. He immediately gave his opinion as: aliens are free to live anywhere but must respect locals. This was a politically adept remark in a Maa public rally.

I didn't mention Raila. But now cause you have, why didn't he condemn Ole Kina remarks? Given he's arguably the most senior politician and leader in that Rally? Did he?

Kikuyu are the fulcrum and logically cannot be the target. The Kalenjin and Ruto on the other hand are a handy target. You can see already ole Kina blames hapless Ruto for the arrest. Whole saga looks choreographed to wedge Ruto and Maa. It is working.

Am not making it about Kikuyu. It can be attack on any other community by alleged Maasais. Then the other community may retaliate and before you know it, you have communal violence. The intended outcome.

And Ole Kina didn't restrict himself to only Kipsigis. It's all "outsiders".. Narok has about 60% Maasai. 40% are the rest.. Kipsigis, Kikuyus, Kisiis.

Free speech vs incitement is subject to interpretation. Ole Kina didn't cross the criminal redline but deserves a warning shot which is the arrest and bail. Raila just like Ruto is not the police. But I think Raila orchestrated this.

Raila himself said Ole Kina remarks were freedom of speech. And did he also say "outsiders should respect locals?"

[RV Pundit]

You cannot appease both -GEMA and Non-GEMA. That is what Raila is yet to realize. You have to pick a side because their interest are at variance. Ruto long decided to go with GEMA (PLAN A) - and only pick non-GEMA(Plan B)  as an afterthought. It easy for Raila to incite Maasai and Mijikenda - but GEMA hate him for that reason.

That is why BBI is waste of time - because region A wants X - region B wants Y - totally diametric choices - and to get compromise will require another WAR.

Central want a presidential system with the population as only criteria to share money. They don't want regional gov because Nakuru & Laikipia will go. Coast want regional gov and majimbo and parliamentary. Somalis want money shared by Kms and want parliamentary and regional. Maasai don't want regional gov to further marginalize them.

Kalenjin knowing Ruto is about to nick - I think will take either - all the options look good to Ruto - which is why Ruto will 100% back whatever Uhuru wants.

So if BBI is to isolate Ruto - tough luck - because RV always wanted parliamentary & regional/majimbo - but because Ruto is nicking it - the status quo is good (Moi was never in hurry to implement majimbo).

So if Raila can make Uhuru deliver parliamentary and regional gov - I think RVs will run with it. The little matter of Uhuru - winning exec PM - will be apparent - when he turn up with 30mps in 2022

Raila like Uhuru is doing very well. Ruto is cornered in most of non-Gema. You of course imagine he needs to worry how he looks to Mt Kenya but you're wrong. Uhuru's onto the money over there... see how he is edging Ruto out with BBI in Meru. Ruto was to attend instead Kiraitu asks Tangatanga to keep off.  Raila is the chief guest.

This is realpolitik and chiding Maa and ole Kina would have been politically incorrect. "Respecting the locals" was presented to Haji crew as not subdiving the land for settlement. It must remain contiguous and agricultural.

[Garliv]

Well stated. Hadn't read this before I typed something almost similar on another thread.

You cannot appease both -GEMA and Non-GEMA. That is what Raila is yet to realize. You have to pick a side because their interest are at variance. Ruto long decided to go with GEMA (PLAN A) - and only pick non-GEMA(Plan B)  as an afterthought. It easy for Raila to incite Maasai and Mijikenda - but GEMA hate him for that reason.

That is why BBI is waste of time - because region A wants X - region B wants Y - totally diametric choices - and to get compromise will require another WAR.

Central want a presidential system with the population as only criteria to share money. They don't want regional gov because Nakuru & Laikipia will go. Coast want regional gov and majimbo and parliamentary. Somalis want money shared by Kms and want parliamentary and regional. Maasai don't want regional gov to further marginalize them.

Kalenjin knowing Ruto is about to nick - I think will take either - all the options look good to Ruto - which is why Ruto will 100% back whatever Uhuru wants.

So if BBI is to isolate Ruto - tough luck - because RV always wanted parliamentary & regional/majimbo - but because Ruto is nicking it - the status quo is good (Moi was never in hurry to implement majimbo).

So if Raila can make Uhuru deliver parliamentary and regional gov - I think RVs will run with it. The little matter of Uhuru - winning exec PM - will be apparent - when he turn up with 30mps in 2022

Raila like Uhuru is doing very well. Ruto is cornered in most of non-Gema. You of course imagine he needs to worry how he looks to Mt Kenya but you're wrong. Uhuru's onto the money over there... see how he is edging Ruto out with BBI in Meru. Ruto was to attend instead Kiraitu asks Tangatanga to keep off.  Raila is the chief guest.

This is realpolitik and chiding Maa and ole Kina would have been politically incorrect. "Respecting the locals" was presented to Haji crew as not subdiving the land for settlement. It must remain contiguous and agricultural.