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[Dear Mami]

Yeah Biden is leading. But California is yet to report and could flip it. Warren is also hurting Sanders in places like Massachusetts. Bloomberg's ad blitz is a flop.

Depends on California. If Sanders miraculously wins the DNC will take a big blow after all the pro-Biden endorsements. Small chance but possible for Sanders to take it.

What I really think... Biden will lose to Trump because Sanders's hippies will sit it out ala 2016. Sanders will beat Trump.

This is my big fear: While I am sooo sad abt Med4all, my bigger concern is the dreamers and basically any immigrants already in the U.S. illegally. I don't care about the wall or Trump stopping further immigration, I just want people already in the country protected, so I'll stomach a bumbling Biden presidency which won't be long: his vice-president will take over soon if he wins: The media has been protecting him but its clear to many pple who follow this closely that Biden has early-stage dementia.

He can't string proper sentences together. Just tonight he mixed up his wife and sister like he mixed up the Senate/Presidential races a few weeks ago and telling tales about Mandela that were clearly not factual and lashing out at voters plus the many other incidents people have been noticing over the past few months. He's no longer the Joe from the Obama era. He can't hold a debate. Trump may eat him alive.  Repubs will have no mercy the way the MSM has been protecting him, they'll dig the knife in.

I'd be confident of a Bernie win re Trump because even in tonight's bad night for Bernie, he seems to win the White working-class: that's who gave Trump the presidency, yet the media keeps pushing the electability point against all evidence: they are there to protect the establishment infrastructure, losing to Trump is not their number 1 desire but opposing Trump another 4 years is also lucrative business for them, so it's not as bad an outcome for them as a bonafide progressive taking over the party itself.

I don't know if Bernie bros sit out the election like 2016 if Biden wins fair and square, but we'll see. I'm just so sad that so many Americans, like Kenyans, can be swayed by a media narrative to vote against their own interests, but I want a Dem to win for the sake of immigrants.

[Nefertiti]

Exactly Kadame - Biden will not survive the Trump drubbing. Trump is very fluent and now has the RNC fully behind him.

The average American is exactly the average Kenyan. Don't confuse yourself or Nipate for average. MSM in fact rules the Left.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think Joe will be okay if he gets majority of Bernie supporters on board.  There is always going to be bad feelings after defeat.  His immediate task, if he wins nomination will be, like any other nominee, to unite the party. 

He can’t get all(or even much more that 50%) Bernie-bro’s on board.  But he doesn’t have to.  They are heavily concentrated and self selected in states he will win with or without them, like CA and New England. 

Not so much in those swing states he needs in the Mid-west, FL, PA.  In those the traditional approach to woo independents should work.  Colorado is where I feel their influence and petulance can be impactful.

[KenyanPlato]

Black voters kill Bernie revolution

https://www.thedailybeast.com/super-tuesday-smackdown-as-black-voters-stop-bernies-revolution-in-its-tracks

ders people won’t like this, but it’s pretty hard to avoid the conclusion that the voters who are the core of the Democratic Party—black voters over 40 and professional women of all colors—decided to stop the revolution.

Sanders did terribly among women. According to the exit polls, across all the Super Tuesday states, he nipped Biden 36-35 among men. But Biden clubbed him 38-25 among women (Elizabeth Warren got 16 percent).

Let’s face it. All these results are not out of massive adoration for Biden. It’s because a majority of Democratic primary voters evidently don’t want Sanders to be their nominee.

What don’t they like? We don’t know for sure. Maybe it’s because they disagree ideologically. Maybe they think he can’t win a general election. Maybe they don’t like the fact that he’s not a Democrat. I can’t help but notice that “Democrat” keeps creeping more and more into Biden’s language, surrounded by words like “proud” and “Roosevelt” and “Obama.” It’s probably some combination of all these factors, but it’s pretty clear they don’t want him.

[Dear Mami]

Let’s face it. All these results are not out of massive adoration for Biden. It’s because a majority of Democratic primary voters evidently don’t want Sanders to be their nominee.

What don’t they like? We don’t know for sure. Maybe it’s because they disagree ideologically. Maybe they think he can’t win a general election. Maybe they don’t like the fact that he’s not a Democrat. I can’t help but notice that “Democrat” keeps creeping more and more into Biden’s language, surrounded by words like “proud” and “Roosevelt” and “Obama.” It’s probably some combination of all these factors, but it’s pretty clear they don’t want him.

Nah, all these wins happened literally withing a day/two: The polls started changing very fast towards Biden after S.Carolina and the endorsements started flooding in with the full force of media narrative. He wasn't even cracking 15% in many of these just last week. Majority voters will vote for whoever they think is best positioned to beat Trump, which is why the polls change with anyone who has momentum. Few weeks ago, it was Bloomberg, at some point last year, it was Warren. Biden's happened to be at the right time just as his collapse before Iowa was bad timing for him.

50% of the Black voters in S. Carolina said they chose Biden after Qyburn's endorsement, per exit polls. After that, the rest went back to Biden, but they're no different than other voters; Bernie had overtaken Biden among Blacks nation-wide before S. Carolina.

[KenyanPlato]

Let’s face it. All these results are not out of massive adoration for Biden. It’s because a majority of Democratic primary voters evidently don’t want Sanders to be their nominee.

What don’t they like? We don’t know for sure. Maybe it’s because they disagree ideologically. Maybe they think he can’t win a general election. Maybe they don’t like the fact that he’s not a Democrat. I can’t help but notice that “Democrat” keeps creeping more and more into Biden’s language, surrounded by words like “proud” and “Roosevelt” and “Obama.” It’s probably some combination of all these factors, but it’s pretty clear they don’t want him.

Nah, all these wins happened literally withing a day/two: The polls started changing very fast towards Biden after S.Carolina and the endorsements started flooding in with the full force of media narrative. He wasn't even cracking 15% in many of these just last week. Majority voters will vote for whoever they think is best positioned to beat Trump, which is why the polls change with anyone who has momentum. Few weeks ago, it was Bloomberg, at some point last year, it was Warren. Biden's happened to be at the right time just as his collapse before Iowa was bad timing for him.

50% of the Black voters in S. Carolina said they chose Biden after Qyburn's endorsement, per exit polls. After that, the rest went back to Biden, but they're no different than other voters; Bernie had overtaken Biden among Blacks nation-wide before S. Carolina.

Wrong, The southern Blacks are different Kettle and in DNC nominations they wield so much power to turn the race upside down for candidates that are not from their tribe. These simpletons just voted for Biden because of Obama not because he can beat Trump. Biden will be beaten by Trump like a drum

[Nefertiti]

I think Joe will be okay if he gets majority of Bernie supporters on board.  There is always going to be bad feelings after defeat.  His immediate task, if he wins nomination will be, like any other nominee, to unite the party. 

He can’t get all(or even much more that 50%) Bernie-bro’s on board.  But he doesn’t have to.  They are heavily concentrated and self selected in states he will win with or without them, like CA and New England. 

Not so much in those swing states he needs in the Mid-west, FL, PA.  In those the traditional approach to woo independents should work.  Colorado is where I feel their influence and petulance can be impactful.

Biden will face it rough debating Trump. He is not eloquent. Independents needed to flip purple states care about debates. What do you make of this assertion?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think Joe will be okay if he gets majority of Bernie supporters on board.  There is always going to be bad feelings after defeat.  His immediate task, if he wins nomination will be, like any other nominee, to unite the party. 

He can’t get all(or even much more that 50%) Bernie-bro’s on board.  But he doesn’t have to.  They are heavily concentrated and self selected in states he will win with or without them, like CA and New England. 

Not so much in those swing states he needs in the Mid-west, FL, PA.  In those the traditional approach to woo independents should work.  Colorado is where I feel their influence and petulance can be impactful.

Biden will face it rough debating Trump. He is not eloquent. Independents needed to flip purple states care about debates. What do you make of this assertion?

If the guy on the other side of the debate is Trump, I don't see that as a problem.  Trump sounds like a 3rd grader on his best days.  He has even hinted he will boycott any debates.

[Dear Mami]

I doubt Trump will boycott if he's up against Biden. He'd totally hide from Warren or Buttigieg or Bernie or maybe even Old Joe as gaffe-prone as he used to be even then. He and Bloomberg seem to be on some weird rich-boy schoolyard ego fight, so I think he'd show up for that debate  With Joe, it's not that he's not eloquent, guys, he's literally losing his cognitive facilities from age; it's not a diss ala Trump implying he's dumb. He's NOT dumb. You should see the vid from yesterday where he forgot the words of the Declaration of independence in a speech and see the nature of his struggles. Joe has some kind of dementia going. People have known it for a while now but because he didn't seem like a threat, no one wanted to go after him on it. Republicans won't be so decent. I just read someone say that Trump has started tweeting videos of it after Super Tuesday.

I think his VP pick will matter a LOT. I heard it might be Stacy Abrams. Not as pro-social programs as I'd like but DAMN, girl can talk like nobody. Even Obama would be impressed. Whoever that VP pic is will be more consequential than usual, because if Biden wins the general, that person will very likely become U.S. President very soon after by default. In addition, after the Convention, the Obamas will def join the campaign trail.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You really are sold on this dementia angle.  If that’s the case, it would be two guys with dementia on the stage.  Trump has his own struggles with word mangling.  It got even worse after that unexplained trip to Walter Reed.

Biden’s real danger IMO is indiscipline.  He has a tendency to be complacent when things are looking good.  He needs to hire a big gun like David Axelrod to run his campaign.  His VP pick should be interesting to watch.

[Wa Njambi]

Spot On! We Rig'd Joe In. But Rigging the Primaries is allowed...even in ODM, I don't condemn it. Primaries rigging is House Keeping to ensure that you win the real election. No Way Good Sanders was going to win the real election

Following American political fiasco as it unfolds. The Democrats are set to rig Bernie Sanders once more. No way he's getting Democratic Party ticket.
Either way Donald Trump and his Rednecks will have four more years of Tweeting-in-Chief.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/03/iowa-vote-latest-news-democratic-caucuses

[Nefertiti]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

[Dear Mami]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

I'm still worried about Biden's cognitive decline. More and more people are beginning to discuss it now that he's the front-runner and the left-leaning MSM won't be able to hide it longer, certainly not past the DNC convention, IMO. Rn, only place people are talking abt it on MSM is Fox, no surprise--he's the presumed Trump opponent. Otherwise, you only find it in Left and Right independent media sources. Incidentally, just read Coulter telling her alt-right buddies that Biden is a better opponent than Bernie for precisely the reasons you cite. If he's gonna pick Stacey Abrams, I hope he does so long be4 that point, because people will look at her as almost another presidential candidate in a way they don't look at other running-mates. Also, the Obamas will campaign for Biden, I'm sure, but after the convention. They're even mo popular now in the Dem base than when Obama left office, so it's a positive.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

Likability.  Trump and Hillary were the most unlikable candidates to be nominated in a long time.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

[Nefertiti]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

Likability.  Trump and Hillary were the most unlikable candidates to be nominated in a long time.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

Yet Clinton eclipsed Sanders with relative ease. Biden is a fumbler with little charisma. I get why the mainstream Dems might not want Sanders but this will be no cakewalk.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

Likability.  Trump and Hillary were the most unlikable candidates to be nominated in a long time.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

Yet Clinton eclipsed Sanders with relative ease. Biden is a fumbler with little charisma. I get why the mainstream Dems might not want Sanders but this will be no cakewalk.

I think I have heard it mentioned that Bernie's loses in the states Biden has won have been worse than when he ran 2016 against Hillary.  He is not a flashy charismatic guy.  But that is part of his appeal I think.  Just an ordinary guy that used to take a train from Wilmington to DC. 

The guy is winning in places he did not even campaign.  Interestingly that is his potential Achilles.  He may assume he does not need to do as much legwork as is necessary.  Still in a general election the guy will appeal to western Pennsylvannia types with buyer's remorse.

[Nefertiti]

Warren drops out... this should help Sanders.

[Nefertiti]

I don't see a big distinction between Biden and Hillary Clinton. In terms of their chances against Trump. The incumbent has a big advantage in no divisive primaries, and the issues he brags about fixing e.g. the economy and Muslim ban. Biden lacks the star power to turn out fringe voters like Sanders, Warren and Trump. I see another drubbing of the Dems in November.

Likability.  Trump and Hillary were the most unlikable candidates to be nominated in a long time.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

Yet Clinton eclipsed Sanders with relative ease. Biden is a fumbler with little charisma. I get why the mainstream Dems might not want Sanders but this will be no cakewalk.

I think I have heard it mentioned that Bernie's loses in the states Biden has won have been worse than when he ran 2016 against Hillary.  He is not a flashy charismatic guy.  But that is part of his appeal I think.  Just an ordinary guy that used to take a train from Wilmington to DC. 

The guy is winning in places he did not even campaign.  Interestingly that is his potential Achilles.  He may assume he does not need to do as much legwork as is necessary.  Still in a general election the guy will appeal to western Pennsylvannia types with buyer's remorse.

Did Obama make frantic calls for Clinton behind the scenes? Pre- convention. Without that Biden would be toast. He is hardly his own man.

[Dear Mami]

Actually, Hillary beat Bernie by nearly 75 delegates difference in Texas, now they're virtually tied; and she won California by 25 delegates or so, now Bernie wins with a bigger difference; Her margins in Virginia were also bigger; I think she took 73% of the vote; Biden this time took 54%? Same thing with the Carolinas. There isn't a single state in the South that Bernie lost to Biden that matches the differences in 2016; they were bigger then: the difference is in Maine, Massachusetts, and Minnesota (where Bernie won last time but lost this time around with few delegates difference-like 7/8/10 apiece) and Vermont where he won by a smaller margin, 5O-something against 22%; In 2016 he won by 80-something %. The bad sign for him is not the margins; it's that losing those three indicates he might lose Michigan etc, then no revival.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Actually, Hillary beat Bernie by nearly 75 delegates difference in Texas, now they're virtually tied; and she won California by 25 delegates or so, now Bernie wins with a bigger difference; Her margins in Virginia were also bigger; I think she took 73% of the vote; Biden this time took 54%? Same thing with the Carolinas. There isn't a single state in the South that Bernie lost to Biden that matches the differences in 2016; they were bigger then: the difference is in Maine, Massachusetts, and Minnesota (where Bernie won last time but lost this time around with few delegates difference-like 7/8/10 apiece) and Vermont where he won by a smaller margin, 5O-something against 22%; In 2016 he won by 80-something %. The bad sign for him is not the margins; it's that losing those three indicates he might lose Michigan etc, then no revival.

That's probably true and I stand to be corrected.  But I heard that Bernie performed worse in the states he lost this year than he did in 2016.  Is it because Biden did better than Hillary?  Not necessarily.  It could just be down to a more crowded field, not to mention Elizabeth Warren presumably eating into his support.