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[Georgesoros]

I gotta admit some of Bernie's dreams are tough to swallow but am with him all the way. I consider socialism to be sounder than capitalism. The idea that wealth and resources should be amicably shared without a Darwinin scramble is appealing. Also, strictly speaking what Bernie proposes is not economic socialism. All these welfares and free universal medical, tution, etc already exist in Sweden, UK, Denmark, Germany and literally all of Western Europe and Canada. "The West" is welfare world which is why people die in the ocean trying to get there. The US runaway capitalism and inequality is an outlier and a crying shame.

Wealth and power when mixed together are very intoxicating. They suck humanity out of the person and all they see is $$. Trump and co., is a true case study. Russia is another good case to study. Bill Gates et al have money but they do not seek to have power.

[Georgesoros]

The DNC trying to rig the SC primary. How can two polls show a narrow gap (and closing) btw Biden and Bernie, both in the 20%s, and then suddenly, a poll (from the same period) showing Biden still at 35% and Bernie 13% like the last two weeks didn't happen? Smh. I hope they don't pull some Iowa repeat nonsense on Saturday.

The power of the Plutocrats. Learning from Putin.

[Dear Mami]

Garliv of course has abhorrent, draconian conservative dogma. Prolly hates gay folks as much as does the Luo.

He reads like a person who treats the Left as a monolith. I can't blame him coz that used to be me too. I hated the excessive woke politics, but now I know better what the fights are really about. The Establishment Dems push woke politics because they're actually very right-wing on econ matters.

It's a survival reflex.  While Dems are the party of diversity, they still need the independents to win.  Independents unfortunately need the reassurance that shit is not being given away to minorities for free.

No, Termi. That is a story the media is selling to middle class liberals like you because they know the no. 1 priority of middle class, esp White, liberals is to make Trump gone, like yesterday. ALL polling shows Bernie killing Trump not just in the popular vote but precisely the states Trump turned Red in 2016 that had voted Obama in 2008/2012. It's completely untrue that Biden has any chance at beating Trump in the Rustbelt where he's seen as establishment. Trump will chew him up and spit him out there.

Think I'm exaggerating the sheer, bold, determined corruption of the DNC? Take a read at this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html

They are planning to deny Bernie the nomination and give it to one of the people he defeats, even though they are fully aware--and admit to the Times!--that the party will break up and this will 100% guarantee Trump a win. You guys (voters) may prioritize getting rid of Trump but these guys are fighting for their pockets and access to power. If the DNC will lose 30% of its support as a result, that's a risk they're willing to take. I was giving them some credit and assuming they wouldn't risk the party but I was wrong. Their screaming over Trump these past 4 years has been 75% an act/strategy. Trump maintains the status quo and serves the plutocracy and they are the status quo servants, the ruling aristocracy. They'll not give it away to the peasants just to avoid Trump's drama. Which is very sad for regular Americans. 100 years after France, they still won't get basic universal healthcare.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Garliv of course has abhorrent, draconian conservative dogma. Prolly hates gay folks as much as does the Luo.

He reads like a person who treats the Left as a monolith. I can't blame him coz that used to be me too. I hated the excessive woke politics, but now I know better what the fights are really about. The Establishment Dems push woke politics because they're actually very right-wing on econ matters.

It's a survival reflex.  While Dems are the party of diversity, they still need the independents to win.  Independents unfortunately need the reassurance that shit is not being given away to minorities for free.

No, Termi. That is a story the media is selling to middle class liberals like you because they know the no. 1 priority of middle class, esp White, liberals is to make Trump gone, like yesterday. ALL polling shows Bernie killing Trump not just in the popular vote but precisely the states Trump turned Red in 2016 that had voted Obama in 2008/2012. It's completely untrue that Biden has any chance at beating Trump in the Rustbelt where he's seen as establishment. Trump will chew him up and spit him out there.

Think I'm exaggerating the sheer, bold, determined corruption of the DNC? Take a read at this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html

They are planning to deny Bernie the nomination and give it to one of the people he defeats, even though they are fully aware--and admit to the Times!--that the party will break up and this will 100% guarantee Trump a win. You guys (voters) may prioritize getting rid of Trump but these guys are fighting for their pockets and access to power. If the DNC will lose 30% of its support as a result, that's a risk they're willing to take. I was giving them some credit and assuming they wouldn't risk the party but I was wrong. Their screaming over Trump these past 4 years has been 75% an act/strategy. Trump maintains the status quo and serves the plutocracy and they are the status quo servants, the ruling aristocracy. They'll not give it away to the peasants just to avoid Trump's drama. Which is very sad for regular Americans. 100 years after France, they still won't get basic universal healthcare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwzcl20fyM

I don't doubt the Dem establishment opposition to Bernie's levels of liberalism.  Indeed they are beholden to corporations as Bernie would say. 

That aside there is a good reason Democrats cannot go left and win. Going left can win you a primary, but turn off some of the party's constituents.   The Democratic party is bigger, but is made up of more diverse elements with interests that often diverge.  While there may be underhand reasons why the establishment is opposed to Bernie, there are also legitimate concerns for the general election.  Dems would not have tried to impeach Trump if they were half-way comfortable with him.  If he goes another 4 years, rule of law in the US would be reduced to Turkey levels.

The Republican party is by contrast homogeneous.  A party in place to preserve White Anglo Saxon Protestant patronage and there is very little divergence from that among party faithful.  They will never say that openly, but if you've been around them long enough, you know without a shred of doubt what they are about.  This means that if they go extreme right - like they are now - they don't miss a beat.  They can be tribal and still remain competitive.  For the Dems, going tribal is suicide.  A lot of independents are just reluctant Republicans put off by the obvious racism in the other side.

[Dear Mami]

Honestly, Termie, suicide is stealing the nomination from the frontrunner twice in a row; Bernie's supporters will NOT vote for whoever the DNC picks if that person doesn't beat Bernie straight in a clean fight. Doing so is a straight concession to Trump, like, don't even bother with the elections after that, Trump wins by default. So anyone who does that has simply decided that Trump is the 'lesser of two evils'.

Don't you also see how crazy it is that people who can't beat Bernie in the primaries are just supposed to do be able to do better than him against Trump? It's a myth, which actual data already shows. 47 out of 50 polls, Bernie beats Trump and does so better than the rest. He also beats Trump in the Rustbelt, and in Pennsylvania, he's the only one who does so (beat Trump in the polls). It's not valid at all as an excuse to steal the nomination from progressives twice in a row. If you recall, it didn't exactly work out for Democrats in 2016. And back then, Bernie played ball and did 40 rallies for Hillary, but a significant chunk of his voters were still angry enough to sit out the election. That Bernie support won't be happening this time around unless the nominee beats Bernie straight.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Honestly, Termie, suicide is stealing the nomination from the frontrunner twice in a row; Bernie's supporters will NOT vote for whoever the DNC picks if that person doesn't beat Bernie straight in a clean fight. Doing so is a straight concession to Trump, like, don't even bother with the elections after that, Trump wins by default. So anyone who does that has simply decided that Trump is the 'lesser of two evils'.

Don't you also see how crazy it is that people who can't beat Bernie in the primaries are just supposed to do be able to do better than him against Trump? It's a myth, which actual data already shows. 47 out of 50 polls, Bernie beats Trump and does so better than the rest. He also beats Trump in the Rustbelt, and in Pennsylvania, he's the only one who does so (beat Trump in the polls). It's not valid at all as an excuse to steal the nomination from progressives twice in a row. If you recall, it didn't exactly work out for Democrats in 2016. And back then, Bernie played ball and did 40 rallies for Hillary, but a significant chunk of his voters were still angry enough to sit out the election. That Bernie support won't be happening this time around unless the nominee beats Bernie straight.

It would indeed be suicide to steal the nomination from Bernie if he wins.  But I think the assumption that Hillary lost because Bernie is not borne out by the data.  Hillary lost because she could not raise numbers in Philly, Milwaukee and Detroit.  Those are not Bernie strongholds. 

Bernie strongholds tend to lean heavily Democrat such that a boycott by them tends to only lower the margin for victory.  What do I mean?  Even if Bernie is robbed, Massachusetts, California etc is not going to vote for Trump.  No, I am not advocating for robbing him.  But Bernie-bros tend to have this strange persecution complex even when they signed onto the rules.

[Dear Mami]

But Bernie-bros tend to have this strange persecution complex even when they signed onto the rules.

No, Termie, don't fall for Elizabeth's lies. Bernie pushed to get rid of superdelegates which are straight undemocratic and were used to steal the nomination for Hillary in 2016. He was simply outvoted. He had 7 out of the 19/20 votes in the negotiation committee, so he only managed to push the delegates to the second round rather than get rid of them and have clean processes like the RNC straight elections bila maneno mingi. So it's not fair to say, as Warren misleads, that Bernie somehow made those rules. She also lied that he advocated for the same position she is now, stealing from the person with a plurality using superdelagates. Also debunked. His position was that superdelegates from a certain state should go to the person who wins that state, whoever they are, that way they can't be used to veto elections in third-world/aristocratic fashion.

Hillary lost 4 rustbelt states that voted for Obama twice where Trump AND Obama pushed a populist message. It's not a coincidence that Bernie is doing well there against Trump. She also lost because Bernie voters voted third party or stayed home. If they had voted in equal numbers as before, no way Trump would have flipped those states: he was winning by mere 10,000 votes in some states. The depressed democratic turnout is the ONLY reason Hillary is not president.

They also can't exactly blame Bernie bros for having a persecution complex while plotting point-blank to steal the nomination from Bernie: it kind of proves their point. Please note, that pre-Bernie, Superdelegates have ALWAYS gone to the person with most delegates at the primaries, for 50 years. I don't think it's a persecution complex when it's based on clean facts, Warren herself is on record calling it rigging in 2017.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

But Bernie-bros tend to have this strange persecution complex even when they signed onto the rules.

No, Termie, don't fall for Elizabeth's lies. Bernie pushed to get rid of superdelegates which are straight undemocratic and were used to steal the nomination for Hillary in 2016. He was simply outvoted. He had 7 out of the 19/20 votes in the negotiation committee, so he only managed to push the delegates to the second round rather than get rid of them and have clean processes like the RNC straight elections bila maneno mingi. So it's not fair to say, as Warren misleads, that Bernie somehow made those rules. She also lied that he advocated for the same position she is now, stealing from the person with a plurality using superdelagates. Also debunked. His position was that superdelegates from a certain state should go to the person who wins that state, whoever they are, that way they can't be used to veto elections in third-world/aristocratic fashion.

Hillary lost 4 rustbelt states that voted for Obama twice where Trump AND Obama pushed a populist message. It's not a coincidence that Bernie is doing well there against Trump. She also lost because Bernie voters voted third party or stayed home. If they had voted in equal numbers as before, no way Trump would have flipped those states: he was winning by mere 10,000 votes in some states. The depressed democratic turnout is the ONLY reason Hillary is not president.

They also can't exactly blame Bernie bros for having a persecution complex while plotting point-blank to steal the nomination from Bernie: it kind of proves their point. Please note, that pre-Bernie, Superdelegates have ALWAYS gone to the person with most delegates at the primaries, for 50 years. I don't think it's a persecution complex when it's based on clean facts, Warren herself is on record calling it rigging in 2017.

How does one steal a nomination if they play by the rules?  If Bernie doesn’t like superdelegates, he should not participate.  Participation is an indirect endorsement of the process.  They agreed to vote on how the process works and respect the result.

In SC Republicans are encouraging their supporters to vote Bernie in the open primary.  Do you think this is also because they think he is a good general election candidate?

[Dear Mami]

I already spoke about how the Republican establishment has been hubristically boasting of beating Bernie because they assuming just screaming 'socialism' is enough. Trump knows better, as does Mitch McConnel.

It's well and good about 'the rules': Just know you're endorsing Trump if you go that route. Dont waste your time on election day. He will have won at the DNC convention, something the DNC superdelagates plotting the theft has admitted to knowing and choosing. So much for the fake DNC concern abt Bernie being 'electable': I guess just straight up handing the election to Trump sooner rather than later is the best way to go when that is the main concern. Aisuru. Me, I'll just watch from the sidelines as this stuff that's been so well predicted unfolds day by day.

[Nefertiti]

MSNBC, CBS, CNN are running lots of polls that show an implausible Biden surge in South Carolina. I can't wait to see egg on their faces as Sanders breaks out to unassailable on Super Tuesday.

[Nefertiti]

Looks like a rout for Biden... 50% vs 19% Sanders. bitmask you can come out of hiding now.

[Dear Mami]

Joe has outdone himself. I don't know if this will be enough to help him with his Super Tuesday problem but it's more than enough to win him the 'Bernie alternative' medal vis-a-vis the Buttigieg, Warren, Amy squad. Steyer has dropped out: Decent fella. I don't know about Bloomberg yet since he'll appear on the ballot for the first time on Super Tuesday, so we'll know when we know. I'm a Bernie bro and I'll be sad if Joe wins, but I'll accept it. What I will not accept is the DNC claiming to oppose Bernie on the basis that he can't beat Trump on one hand, and pulling third world crap that ensures Trump victory on the other. Let Joe (or Bloomberg) beat Bernie fair and square. It's now down to those three unless something drastic happens.

[Georgesoros]

I already spoke about how the Republican establishment has been hubristically boasting of beating Bernie because they assuming just screaming 'socialism' is enough. Trump knows better, as does Mitch McConnel.

It's well and good about 'the rules': Just know you're endorsing Trump if you go that route. Dont waste your time on election day. He will have won at the DNC convention, something the DNC superdelagates plotting the theft has admitted to knowing and choosing. So much for the fake DNC concern abt Bernie being 'electable': I guess just straight up handing the election to Trump sooner rather than later is the best way to go when that is the main concern. Aisuru. Me, I'll just watch from the sidelines as this stuff that's been so well predicted unfolds day by day.

Mami
you assume that most Americans are able to make intelligent decisions, right?
Most people watch Fox new and believe what they hear, that's y as human beings we are doomed.
Same people who protect the dictator are the ones who scream loudest when things go wrong.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Looks like a rout for Biden... 50% vs 19% Sanders. bitmask you can come out of hiding now.

He won where he had to win.  He now has the popular vote.  He is viable past super-Tuesday.  If he holds onto the popular vote, superdelegates are a shoo in and Doc Brown’s path to the nomination hits a dead end.

[Nefertiti]

Mayor Pete B quit the race but stopped short of endorsing Joe Biden. Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar should do the same. The Bloomberg effect remains Biden's biggest hurdle on Super Tuesday.

The boy can speak he is almost another Obama

[Nefertiti]

Biden has raked in a pound of endorsements towards Super Tuesday. But I don't think it is easy to beat Sanders network especially among Latinos. Latinos were the bulk of Sanders's 30-point lead in Nevada - as blacks broke out for Biden in South Carolina. California and Texas are Latino- heavy at 40% apiece. Overall they are 15% compared to 10% blacks... a small factor the media has totally blacked out.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Biden has raked in a pound of endorsements towards Super Tuesday. But I don't think it is easy to beat Sanders network especially among Latinos. Latinos were the bulk of Sanders's 30-point lead in Nevada - as blacks broke out for Biden in South Carolina. California and Texas are Latino- heavy at 40% apiece. Overall they are 15% compared to 10% blacks... a small factor the media has totally blacked out.

We'll see.  I suspect the Nevada numbers are not representative of a trend, but rather a bounce that Bernie was enjoying after the first 3 rounds, at the same time that Biden was in the doldrums.  Biden really looked dead in the water till South Carolina.

[Dear Mami]

Well, they were/are both enjoying bounces, Biden is enjoying a bounce now because the media is pushing him (plus the endorsements) after south Carolina whereas when Bernie won it was all gloom and doom on the airwaves.

[Dear Mami]

It looks like Biden has won it. Very sad. No med4all. But at least the DNC won't be openly stealing it for him against Bernie so that's good news re Trump in the general.

PS: By the way, it's being reported that Obama is probably the big factor here: He's behind all the endorsements apparently over the last 36 hours, he signaled to the candidates and politicians that Biden was the guy to back and they went all in for him. I hope it works in the general. No med4all, but at least dreamers get a break if a Dem guy wins.

[Nefertiti]

Yeah Biden is leading. But California is yet to report and could flip it. Warren is also hurting Sanders in places like Massachusetts. Bloomberg's ad blitz is a flop.

Depends on California. If Sanders miraculously wins the DNC will take a big blow after all the pro-Biden endorsements. Small chance but possible for Sanders to take it.

What I really think... Biden will lose to Trump because Sanders's hippies will sit it out ala 2016. Sanders will beat Trump.