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Moi dies..
« on: February 04, 2020, 06:41:02 AM »
Gideon Moi I guess orders the machine switched off

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 07:34:09 AM »
Sad news for many in the country. At some point it had to come. Kenyans will mourn for a few days but this old man's death will have many political repercussions starting in RV and spreading to Central. There are many who will be said he got away with so much. May God comfort his family.
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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 07:49:27 AM »
What political repercussion.Some of you're are interesting specimen.Moi is dead.Next is his burial.Nothing more or less.Everyone knows Moi..the good, the bad and the evil deeds..but Kenyans long moved on.Moi was last a president nearly 20yrs ago.

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 04:41:19 PM »
Madiba, 95.  Mugabe, 95.  Moi , 95, and he ate bitter leaves all his life. 
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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 04:57:20 PM »
He lived a long healthy life. Celebrate his accomplishments.

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 07:14:14 PM »
Rest in Peace Mzee Moi. You lived a full life. And influenced a generation. Most of all, you played your part in the mysterious circle of life and now you bow for eternity: Rest in Peace. Amen!

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 09:15:57 PM »
MOI PASSES: COLONIAL VS PEOPLES' HISTORY

And pick your version.

They say, there is a silver lining in every cloud; if one looks hard enough. I will take a hard look at DT Moi's long twenty-five years of rule. Neither will I fail to detect some silver linings.

On the light side, there was a lively gush of sycophantic music, and, I swear, never has boot-licking and propaganda so pushed the boundaries of creativity in whatever art form. My best listening was Orchestra Mangelepa's Mtukufu Moi –--We love you forever Baba Moi, and we trust you for eternity! There was of course a mock quality to the song, since the Zaireans were, once again, facing deportation for working illegally in Kenya. This usually happened whenever they demanded royalties accrued from one more hit added to their chain of hits. Most members of this ever-smash-hit band would die destitute: robbed to the bone by a scorch-earth system more feudal than capitalist.

On the folkloric side, the country teemed with many sing aways, the so-called NYAYO SONGS, including the legendary TAWALA KENYA



and the memorable





Patriotic songs so-called too!





On the behavioural level too, I think the Kenyan political culture attained her peaks in the arts of sycophancy. None shall ever be born who shall better the likes of Kariuki Chotara, Okiki Amayo, etc etc. And they just weren't mere sycophants, they were like suicide warrior guards. They seemed to have an inner mission, a conviction. I think centuries from now –---when this period is long distant, and can be commented upon without passion, the Moi era will produce the best comedies. Think for instance of Robert Ouko's post-moterm report: Suicide at Got-Alila.

On the hardest side, the silver linings are the lessons learnt. In the same period of time as the Lordship Moi and his KANU was Alpha and Omega of looting in a stagnating Kenya, the Asian tigers went turbo charge on the industrialisation track. If the Asian states were equally totalitarian, their investment in education and modern productive methods was monomanic, eventually unleashing unparallelled labour productivity and ingenuity. Meanwhile the fortunes of Kenya (and, unfortunately the host of African states) comparatively went graveyard. The Moi regime will offer the classic test-tube study case of what went wrong so long: the don't do's if we want to build a  worthwhile Kenya.

NB: A worthwhile Kenya need not be capable to build a 3000-bed hospital in as many days as God created the Earth and all in it –--as the miracle-working Chinese have done post CORONA attack; but a worthwhile Kenya would make short work of the plague of locusts in a few days; build dams which didn't collapse on a drop of rain extra; have a 100% transition rate, but not to schools which are Kakamega or Dagoretti death-traps!

Just the simple stuff you know, like running water at a public toilet at a city bus/mat park!

Comparatively then, DT Arap Moi's were lost decades, primitive and off civilisation. That would be a dangerous nyayo to fwata, decades on!

NB: The murders of chaps like Ouko and Archbishop Muge are historically insignificant. Jomo Kenyatta's murders of Tom Mboya, Pio Gama Pinto and JM Kariuku were much more profound in their historical reverberation. The talent erased in the Kenyatta murders was stuff a nation does not easily recover from.

Anyway, all living things die some day. Even Kenya as we know it today will die, or is it wither away!

Eh, Moi lived quite long, past a century by one account by his long-serving PA, a Mr. Njiru.

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 07:05:27 PM »
All things considered, yes there is a silver lining in Moi's legacy and we need to be honest in giving Credit where it's due. Moi was not a monster, for those who know him in person. He was a Teddy Bear. Monsters can make Monsters if Moi was a Monster

Consider this
1. The Kiambu Kikuyu RV (Diaspora) Ngoroko Mafia of them days, Mungai, Kihika, et al..Monsters...if they had managed to remove Moi, it's scary to figure what they would have produced. They would have grabbed all the RV land and everything else. The Kihika Kimani lot and change the constitution group   these were a dangerous lot. Even Jomo didn't trust. They failed in their agenda, complements DT Moi. You can't argue with that.

2. The movements like Mwakenya, Pambana, bla bla,, ...that was a serious state of confusion. We couldn't have achieved a sense of direction toward reasonable incremental reforms from any of these movements. Now that we know characters like Mig2, the late OO (RIP), Okoth Sewe, Ngatia...Moi and special branch had something on them that required detention without trial. Seeing Miguna's character today, and you rewind to '82, and what his mindset was then, would you detain him without trial...I would consider that option. Moi dealt with them correctly...I think

3. How he Moi dealt with Raila...Moi is Credited for giving him mercy and grace, spared his, and groomed him to the Raila we have today. An attempted coup that aborts is answered with a firing squad. Raila owes Moi a thank you...This mzee had a heart...he remembered Jaramogi...and perhaps said...I can't shed the blood of his Son...Moi was not the evil ruler we paint him to be.

4. The West - Perhaps they would have a preferred a stage managed Regime Change to install their choice. The Njonjo stage managed attempt attempt (Msaliti) was a project of Britain/Kikuyu plan to create an atmosphere that gives Western interest easy access to shady deals. Moi gov dealt with this short-sight gracefully...set Njonjo aside, reconciled, and moved on

All things considered...I think that M01 had Kenya's interest at heart...and he waded off a lot of evil interest.

We'll right/write this history as we go. Moi was Good and Godly people



MOI PASSES: COLONIAL VS PEOPLES' HISTORY

And pick your version.

They say, there is a silver lining in every cloud; if one looks hard enough. I will take a hard look at DT Moi's long twenty-five years of rule. Neither will I fail to detect some silver linings.

On the light side, there was a lively gush of sycophantic music, and, I swear, never has boot-licking and propaganda so pushed the boundaries of creativity in whatever art form. My best listening was Orchestra Mangelepa's Mtukufu Moi –--We love you forever Baba Moi, and we trust you for eternity! There was of course a mock quality to the song, since the Zaireans were, once again, facing deportation for working illegally in Kenya. This usually happened whenever they demanded royalties accrued from one more hit added to their chain of hits. Most members of this ever-smash-hit band would die destitute: robbed to the bone by a scorch-earth system more feudal than capitalist.

On the folkloric side, the country teemed with many sing aways, the so-called NYAYO SONGS, including the legendary TAWALA KENYA



and the memorable





Patriotic songs so-called too!





On the behavioural level too, I think the Kenyan political culture attained her peaks in the arts of sycophancy. None shall ever be born who shall better the likes of Kariuki Chotara, Okiki Amayo, etc etc. And they just weren't mere sycophants, they were like suicide warrior guards. They seemed to have an inner mission, a conviction. I think centuries from now –---when this period is long distant, and can be commented upon without passion, the Moi era will produce the best comedies. Think for instance of Robert Ouko's post-moterm report: Suicide at Got-Alila.

On the hardest side, the silver linings are the lessons learnt. In the same period of time as the Lordship Moi and his KANU was Alpha and Omega of looting in a stagnating Kenya, the Asian tigers went turbo charge on the industrialisation track. If the Asian states were equally totalitarian, their investment in education and modern productive methods was monomanic, eventually unleashing unparallelled labour productivity and ingenuity. Meanwhile the fortunes of Kenya (and, unfortunately the host of African states) comparatively went graveyard. The Moi regime will offer the classic test-tube study case of what went wrong so long: the don't do's if we want to build a  worthwhile Kenya.

NB: A worthwhile Kenya need not be capable to build a 3000-bed hospital in as many days as God created the Earth and all in it –--as the miracle-working Chinese have done post CORONA attack; but a worthwhile Kenya would make short work of the plague of locusts in a few days; build dams which didn't collapse on a drop of rain extra; have a 100% transition rate, but not to schools which are Kakamega or Dagoretti death-traps!

Just the simple stuff you know, like running water at a public toilet at a city bus/mat park!

Comparatively then, DT Arap Moi's were lost decades, primitive and off civilisation. That would be a dangerous nyayo to fwata, decades on!

NB: The murders of chaps like Ouko and Archbishop Muge are historically insignificant. Jomo Kenyatta's murders of Tom Mboya, Pio Gama Pinto and JM Kariuku were much more profound in their historical reverberation. The talent erased in the Kenyatta murders was stuff a nation does not easily recover from.

Anyway, all living things die some day. Even Kenya as we know it today will die, or is it wither away!

Eh, Moi lived quite long, past a century by one account by his long-serving PA, a Mr. Njiru.

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Re: Moi dies..
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2020, 07:56:48 PM »
Moi can only be compared to his contemporaries - and he wasn't so bad - if you know what went down in Africa. He was actually  nearly excellent. There are things gov do depending on the circumstance of those days.

He just needed to return some of the loot or invest heavily in charity like Bill Gates has done to clean up his image. Sad to see him die with all that stolen wealth.

Hopefully the greedy sons can roll out Moi Foundation and invest back that stolen loot in schools, hospitals and such.

That would keep Moi legacy alive and would help clean his image posthumously the way the Carniege mellons, Rockerfellers did.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2020, 08:08:08 PM »
Gideon doesn't strike one as philanthropic. Mean sob. More likely we will see court drama as Mark Toos and the bastards demand a slice of the pie.
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