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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2020, 01:36:46 AM »

That Speech by Kuria encapsulate how the common Gema view this BBI thing. At least the majority.
It's in Kikuyu so to non-kikuyu speakers maybe someone else can try and translate
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Just usual cheap propaganda. Kuria et al are obviously fuming over Waititu. I asked you why Kalenjin don't hold a similar view about Ruto? - that he is betraying their long-term interest by opposing parliamentary system. That nonsense is applied selectively to Kenyatta. Kikuyu without Uhuru don't have the numbers nor muscle to block BBI.
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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2020, 01:41:58 AM »
They are within the law. Read the Justice Onyiego take on the 10days as applies to the swearing in of a Deputy Governor. The period is subject to "necessary modification." It was a technicality - meaning the one day delay has no material effect. The high court already refused to block the swearing in.

Thanks for the compliments...those are small small technical/semantic  things you are worried about. we need to see Waitititu hauled to jail and his
properties auctioned to recover stolen funds. anything short of that is not good enough.

Very noble of you. You fight corruption by corrupting the law. What else can go wrong?


What do you mean it "is technicalities" only? It's the law. In an Act of Parliament. And there is a period of 10th day...

But then while BBI build its bridges law no longer matter. Someone wants Waititu gone asap come rain come sunshine such that even following laid down laws/procedures becomes cumbersome.


my friend we are tired, like tayad of baby sitting thieves. aint you mad bro of this daylight robbery by Waititu and his clan?
we need to know whe Waititu will refund the money he stole.

So it was technicalities.

Swearing in to proceed tomorrow
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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2020, 01:47:16 AM »
Thanks for the compliments...those are small small technical/semantic  things you are worried about. we need to see Waitititu hauled to jail and his
properties auctioned to recover stolen funds. anything short of that is not good enough.

Murconman and Tangatanga are worried about all dots and crosses but not the looting of public coffers. Odd priorities.

There were even more "technicalities" and intrigues at the Senate. They pulled all stops to rescue the thug.



Inside dirty tricks to swing Senate vote during Waititu ouster


Former Kiambu Governor Ferdinand Waititu


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001358588/inside-dirty-tricks-to-swing-senate-vote-during-waititu-ouster
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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2020, 06:49:36 AM »
That Robina ain't cheap propaganda no matter how many times you repeat saying so. And as i said you have to understand Kenya's history with this Parliamentary/Federal crap. From Independence up to the present. And how even in Naivasha they settled for Counties and Presidential system. If you do not appreciate that then you cannot understand why is it Uhuru is getting stiff opposition in his backyard. You will keep trying to believe it's because Ruto has bribed people or have rigged so and so... This is a genuine issue.

Second, BBI may pass but at least people should be left to decide whether they are for it or not.

Third, as i said before in my analysis Kalenjin are very much Okay with Presidential. And Parliamentary would also be okay with them. So even if you talk to Kalenjin influencers they say either way William at the moment is on the front seat.




That Speech by Kuria encapsulate how the common Gema view this BBI thing. At least the majority.
It's in Kikuyu so to non-kikuyu speakers maybe someone else can try and translate
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Just usual cheap propaganda. Kuria et al are obviously fuming over Waititu. I asked you why Kalenjin don't hold a similar view about Ruto? - that he is betraying their long-term interest by opposing parliamentary system. That nonsense is applied selectively to Kenyatta. Kikuyu without Uhuru don't have the numbers nor muscle to block BBI.

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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2020, 07:51:55 AM »
There is no way "with necessary modifications" can mean shortening of time period. Even a 2nd year law student won't go that far. Necessary modification means where it refers to Governor-elect it can also refer to Deputy Governor or County Secretary. Or where it state him it can also refer to her. Where it says "duly elected" it can refer to a "court order declaring so and so as governor.."
To support this one has to bear in mind why elaborate procedures to swear in President and Governors were adopted in the constitution. It was to PREVENT NIGHT SWEARING like what ODM accused Kibaki of doing in 2097/08. Therefore no one can honestly and with intellectual acuity claim "necessary modification" means shortening of time period. It doesn't.

But those in legal fraternity knows the pressure to bear that was heaped on the Judiciary to expedite Nyoro swearing in. Indeed had we been under previous constitution Justice Onyiego would have been sacked or suspended by 1pm yesterday. Therefore his interpretation to mean "lessening of time period" is due to purely pressure. Even consider that Senate was finalising voting by 9pm and yet by early morning Judiciary and Senate and Government Printers had finalised all procedures and nitty gritties of swearing in. Right now the new Kenya is expediting harassing anyone who oppose the system. Tomorrow someone else will be in power and use similar methods.

Yes. Waititu is not a nice fella. But fidelity to law and procedures should not be determined by who we like and who we dislike. We all know he's fighting a losing battle but at least let it run its course in a civilised manner. Already the court declined to give orders/injunction stopping swearing in which says all needs to be said.



They are within the law. Read the Justice Onyiego take on the 10days as applies to the swearing in of a Deputy Governor. The period is subject to "necessary modification." It was a technicality - meaning the one day delay has no material effect. The high court already refused to block the swearing in.

Thanks for the compliments...those are small small technical/semantic  things you are worried about. we need to see Waitititu hauled to jail and his
properties auctioned to recover stolen funds. anything short of that is not good enough.

Very noble of you. You fight corruption by corrupting the law. What else can go wrong?


What do you mean it "is technicalities" only? It's the law. In an Act of Parliament. And there is a period of 10th day...

But then while BBI build its bridges law no longer matter. Someone wants Waititu gone asap come rain come sunshine such that even following laid down laws/procedures becomes cumbersome.


my friend we are tired, like tayad of baby sitting thieves. aint you mad bro of this daylight robbery by Waititu and his clan?
we need to know whe Waititu will refund the money he stole.

So it was technicalities.

Swearing in to proceed tomorrow

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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2020, 08:37:02 AM »
If Ruto as Pork will do as half as what they are doing they will cry so.loud like they did during Moi who simply followed Kenyatta nyayos.Most of those cheering run abroad to avoid Moi regime

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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2020, 08:41:10 AM »
Hey Garliv - am no lawyer but the good judge does say that "necessary modifications" includes the time period. I don't know why you think this is not included.

Can you appreciate why people have the "cry me a river" attitude towards the Waititu and Ruto tribulations. Ruto especially nurtured and reaped from that impunious system. The "government eats its own children" warning was already issued unheeded by James Orengo and company. If you just checked in from the moon you might be forgiven to imagine these are law-abiding folks being harassed. But here we know better. Someone has looted a war chest and wants to be left alone to conduct peaceful campaigns.

I don't have any sympathy for William Ruto and Tangatanga. Uhuru is way too lenient to them.


There is no way "with necessary modifications" can mean shortening of time period. Even a 2nd year law student won't go that far. Necessary modification means where it refers to Governor-elect it can also refer to Deputy Governor or County Secretary. Or where it state him it can also refer to her. Where it says "duly elected" it can refer to a "court order declaring so and so as governor.."
To support this one has to bear in mind why elaborate procedures to swear in President and Governors were adopted in the constitution. It was to PREVENT NIGHT SWEARING like what ODM accused Kibaki of doing in 2097/08. Therefore no one can honestly and with intellectual acuity claim "necessary modification" means shortening of time period. It doesn't.

But those in legal fraternity knows the pressure to bear that was heaped on the Judiciary to expedite Nyoro swearing in. Indeed had we been under previous constitution Justice Onyiego would have been sacked or suspended by 1pm yesterday. Therefore his interpretation to mean "lessening of time period" is due to purely pressure. Even consider that Senate was finalising voting by 9pm and yet by early morning Judiciary and Senate and Government Printers had finalised all procedures and nitty gritties of swearing in. Right now the new Kenya is expediting harassing anyone who oppose the system. Tomorrow someone else will be in power and use similar methods.

Yes. Waititu is not a nice fella. But fidelity to law and procedures should not be determined by who we like and who we dislike. We all know he's fighting a losing battle but at least let it run its course in a civilised manner. Already the court declined to give orders/injunction stopping swearing in which says all needs to be said.
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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2020, 08:43:59 AM »
If Ruto as Pork will do as half as what they are doing they will cry so.loud like they did during Moi who simply followed Kenyatta nyayos.Most of those cheering run abroad to avoid Moi regime

Ruto will never be president. Moi tortured and killed people .... are you seriously comparing these kid gloves with Nyayo days of suppressing Mwakenya?
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2020, 08:56:21 AM »
What do you say Bw Pundit?


Waititu voting exposes DP Ruto’s dwindling grip of Senate
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-30-waititu-voting-exposes-dp-rutos-dwindling-grip-of-senate/
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Re: Waititi Impeached!
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2020, 09:48:56 AM »
Can you appreciate why people have the "cry me a river" attitude towards the Waititu and Ruto tribulations. Ruto especially nurtured and reaped from that impunious system. The "government eats its own children" warning was already issued unheeded by James Orengo and company. If you just checked in from the moon you might be forgiven to imagine these are law-abiding folks being harassed. But here we know better. Someone has looted a war chest and wants to be left alone to conduct peaceful campaigns.

I don't have any sympathy for William Ruto and Tangatanga. Uhuru is way too lenient to them.

Yep, yep! 4 sure if Uhuru was going after innocents, my ears would open. But he's going after thugs everyone knows are thugs, and letting the law chew them up. That, to me, is watching a big wolf tear to pieces a smaller wolf that was foolish enough to rattle the Alpha without growing big enough teeth. I'm being asked to be very concerned but all I see is at least there's one less wolf in the pen now. It's not like the foolish wolf has been torn up coz it's fighting for .ke. So why should it matter? Wacha wamenyane tu.

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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2020, 10:04:44 AM »
Ruto still has the largest share of senators - the rest are all ganging up against Ruto - ODM, KANU, Wiper, Amani, Kieleweke.

They all know Ruto is the man to beat in 2022.

But eventually they all have to go separate ways.

For now all anti-ruto forces are aligned - the common enemy being the heir-apparent.

What do you say Bw Pundit?


Waititu voting exposes DP Ruto’s dwindling grip of Senate
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-30-waititu-voting-exposes-dp-rutos-dwindling-grip-of-senate/

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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2020, 10:08:01 AM »
Yes Ruto will never be a ceremonial president :) That you can keep for Raila. Otherwise at barely 53yrs - he has what - 30 yrs - till 2050 to become the PORK.

There is nothing Moi did that Kenyatta never did. Moi simply followed Kenyatta Nyayo as he had promised. Kenyatta tortuted people just like Moi did.

Ruto will never be president. Moi tortured and killed people .... are you seriously comparing these kid gloves with Nyayo days of suppressing Mwakenya?

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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2020, 10:23:23 AM »
Yep, yep! 4 sure if Uhuru was going after innocents, my ears would open. But he's going after thugs everyone knows are thugs, and letting the law chew them up. That, to me, is watching a big wolf tear to pieces a smaller wolf that was foolish enough to rattle the Alpha without growing big enough teeth. I'm being asked to be very concerned but all I see is at least there's one less wolf in the pen now. It's not like the foolish wolf has been torn up coz it's fighting for .ke. So why should it matter? Wacha wamenyane tu.

To the average Kiambu voter who can see how badly he was reaped off Uhuru is a hero.
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2020, 10:26:06 AM »
Yes Ruto will never be a ceremonial president :) That you can keep for Raila. Otherwise at barely 53yrs - he has what - 30 yrs - till 2050 to become the PORK.

There is nothing Moi did that Kenyatta never did. Moi simply followed Kenyatta Nyayo as he had promised. Kenyatta tortuted people just like Moi did.

You are conflating Kenyatta 1 and 2? He is busy atoning sins of the father by parliamentary-federal... otherwise Uhuru has not tortured anyone nor tormented the innocent. Waititu, Sonko and even Ruto are big thieves. Only Uhuru's motives are suspect.
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2020, 10:30:22 AM »
In short Ruto does not control the Senate. His "largest share" is a minority.

About the "heir apparent" or leading in the polls there has been a lineup of such dreamers: Jaramogi, Saitoti, Kalonzo, Raila. Ruto perfectly fits in the Jaramogi shoes.

Ruto still has the largest share of senators - the rest are all ganging up against Ruto - ODM, KANU, Wiper, Amani, Kieleweke.

They all know Ruto is the man to beat in 2022.

But eventually they all have to go separate ways.

For now all anti-ruto forces are aligned - the common enemy being the heir-apparent.
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2020, 11:11:46 AM »
Like BB1.0 disappointed you - don't be in so hurry. Uhuru is the biggest thief. He was born right in prison to a criminal and his was raised by a criminal mother and father who stole more than anybody could ever steal. Nobody come with such credential in Kenya. Not even Gideon Moi.Lena Moi at least refused to be part of the criminal enterprise...to kind-hearted for what was needed to govern. Mama Ngina immediately went to business - including decimating a lot of elephants.
You are conflating Kenyatta 1 and 2? He is busy atoning sins of the father by parliamentary-federal... otherwise Uhuru has not tortured anyone nor tormented the innocent. Waititu, Sonko and even Ruto are big thieves. Only Uhuru's motives are suspect.

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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2020, 11:20:01 AM »
I agree...  no honor among thieves. Uhuru and Ruto should just retire and leave Kenya alone. But we don't mind if Uhuru helps Raila first.

Like BB1.0 disappointed you - don't be in so hurry. Uhuru is the biggest thief. He was born right in prison to a criminal and his was raised by a criminal mother and father who stole more than anybody could ever steal. Nobody come with such credential in Kenya. Not even Gideon Moi.Lena Moi at least refused to be part of the criminal enterprise...to kind-hearted for what was needed to govern. Mama Ngina immediately went to business - including decimating a lot of elephants.
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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2020, 12:30:07 PM »
"with necessary modification" cannot mean Lessening or extending time period for assumption of office because that is a SUBSTANTIVE part of that Act or put another way, its substantive law. And it clearly states "first Thursday after the 10th day..." That is clear. And to claim to "modify" that to mean 1 day through a Gazette Notice is being disingenuous and self serving interpretation of law. To change that you need to have the Act amended through Parliament. Gazette Notice cannot purport to amend or alter meaning of an Act. Otherwise the Executive would be ruling through decrees published in the Gazette Notice without regard to other laws.

Eg.. If Act says President to be sworn in on the 7th day after declaration of election results, it would be unacceptable for anyone to use "apply that with necessary modification" to mean you can swear within a day or 2 days.

Legally they want to swear Nyoro so that when Waititu is back in court on Monday the argument will be that Nyoro is already a governor, not Deputy. Therefore procedures to remove a Governor should apply. And Waititu would have effectively been denied any further argument...




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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2020, 12:45:59 PM »
Right. And the justice's interpretation is coerced so we have no arbiter.

The difference between a governor- elect and a deputy governor is substantive enough to alter the period.

"with necessary modification" cannot mean Lessening or extending time period for assumption of office because that is a SUBSTANTIVE part of that Act or put another way, its substantive law. And it clearly states "first Thursday after the 10th day..." That is clear. And to claim to "modify" that to mean 1 day through a Gazette Notice is being disingenuous and self serving interpretation of law. To change that you need to have the Act amended through Parliament. Gazette Notice cannot purport to amend or alter meaning of an Act. Otherwise the Executive would be ruling through decrees published in the Gazette Notice without regard to other laws.

Eg.. If Act says President to be sworn in on the 7th day after declaration of election results, it would be unacceptable for anyone to use "apply that with necessary modification" to mean you can swear within a day or 2 days.

Legally they want to swear Nyoro so that when Waititu is back in court on Monday the argument will be that Nyoro is already a governor, not Deputy. Therefore procedures to remove a Governor should apply. And Waititu would have effectively been denied any further argument...
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