Kenya will not develop with stories...it will develop by building stuff

[RV Pundit]

By the way Pundit, has the big, rich beggar-hugging world not refused to lend Uhuru money? I saw the Ag Treasury CS Yattani begging WB or IMF for new loan - promising war on graft will be sustained and won. Your sleazebag hero would have to raid Equity and KCB like Moi - noone would lend him a dime.

WB and IMF after European Marshall plan is seriously under founded because US won't allow Chinese to fund it.He is barking at wrong tree.A barren tree.Whites want to perpetuate this idea that they are superior race.IMF, WB and UN are crying for reforms but US vetoes all that.China are willing and able to fund them..but will they allow the reforms needed so WB can lend us 100Bdollars.. hell not .luckily we have bottom less international debt market... just ask the JP Morgan or Citibank you want 100B... pay them handsome fee... and they bank the money in your account tomorrow .The Jewish wizardry.Stop going through proxies.

[Nefertiti]

infrastructure for industries can be gathered for in dongo kundu or some special island in Kenya coast.Infrastructure serves people who pays for it.The biggest component of our tax revenue is PAYE at around 4B dollars annually with TSC leading it.Not industries.Youre just out of your depth. a country is not a limited for profit company.

You're describing yourself. Kenya economy is bulk agric (rural murram), working class doing services in town who snore in crazy jam (metro), tiny manufacturing and cottage industry (need cheap power and TIVETS). Most construction or such is still urban by definition. There is no industry in Kenya that fails to flourish and would somehow benefit from rail. Labor, land costs are a big factor in manufacturing which is a structural problem. Ambia Ruto to upgrade his thinking - for 2022 if he is still alive - SGR ya 2012 is DOA.

[Nefertiti]

In short manufacturing as a growth driver is DOA for Kenya. Services are a better bet - possible to leap-frog fr agric - but with dim-wit hacks like Pundit - that too is tough luck.

[RV Pundit]

infrastructure for industries can be gathered for in dongo kundu or some special island in Kenya coast.Infrastructure serves people who pays for it.The biggest component of our tax revenue is PAYE at around 4B dollars annually with TSC leading it.Not industries.Youre just out of your depth. a country is not a limited for profit company.

You're describing yourself. Kenya economy is bulk agric (rural murram), working class doing services in town who snore in crazy jam (metro), tiny manufacturing and cottage industry (need cheap power and TIVETS). Most construction or such is still urban by definition. There is no industry in Kenya that fails to flourish and would somehow benefit from rail. Labor, land costs are a big factor in manufacturing which is a structural problem. Ambia Ruto to upgrade his thinking - for 2022 if he is still alive - SGR ya 2012 is DOA.

We are talking the future.Youre describing our zebu that you want us to squeeze productivity out if it.

[RV Pundit]

In short manufacturing as a growth driver is DOA for Kenya. Services are a better bet - possible to leap-frog fr agric - but with dim-wit hacks like Pundit - that too is tough luck.

Nothing can happen without the hardware.You cannot build games in your head.Fix the basic infrastructure and step back . Manufacturing will come... because we would have ticked all the boxes. Tourist will move from 2m to 15m.If we had infrastructure as good as developed world what would stop industry, agriculture and services from moving here

[Nefertiti]

Here's the plummet of global power - while in Kenya last I heard you need ksh 35K to connect. Which peasant afford that? Has the cost dropped after last-mile? What industry is attracted to that - Big 4 manufacturing?

You cannot compare cost of solar with cost of connection..once off cost.35k is because you generally need a treated post cost 20k and cable plus labour of 15K.That is easy to sort...solar, wind, geothermal and such cost around 8-10 cent usd per unit...coal is like 1..hydro 3 cents.Please grab some book and  read these stuff.

Why is power in Kenya so costly? Compared to say Ethiopia, Uganda, TZ, SA, Egypt, Rwanda. At 90% hydro it should be the cheapest. Wait... there are long last-miles to illiterate villagers in Samburu - that has raised cost for manufactures in Mombasa and Nairobi.

[RV Pundit]

Hydro failed because we are don't have great river's like Nile or  Niger or Congo or Ganghes or Colorado or Amazon or Yangtze or etc .We are also drought prone.Last hydro was sondu mirui under Moi.Only coal and nuclear can save us.Maybe natural gas.

[Nefertiti]

Hydro failed because we are don't have great river's like Nile or  Niger or Congo or Ganghes or Colorado or Amazon or Yangtze etc .We are also drought prone.Last hydro was sondu mirui under Moi.Only coal and nuclear can save us.Maybe natural gas.

Yes. But focusing on reducing cost for the actual producers is a quicker fix. Last-mile is bad socialism without revenues for subsidy.

[Georgesoros]

Policies will make Kenya develop, not side shows.
Kibaki/Dinga did well the stuck to policies.
I was on THika rd and all I saw was a $3b highway slowly turn into a hawkers playground. A policy to enforce all laws in Kenya is highly lacking.
Policy on clean water in all areas is almost non existent.
Sanitation policy seems to have evaded NEMA - a sleepy agency.
East Asia Tigers developed due to good policies.

[vooke]

About a year ago, I was in Jinja seeping my beer and next to me was this 85yr old British Mzungu. We started having a conversation. He told me he came to Uganda in 1950s to work on Hydro there, did a stint in Ethiopia and in Kenya. He was I don't care type. He told me Africans are stupid. I think he was referring to you. He said when he was moving from England in 1950s - it was that NOT that different from kenya - but look where we are now - we are still about there -stuck? He told me ever since 1950s - Uganda had only added one Hydro - the same story for Kenya.He said he use to drive to Nairobi from Jinja in six hours...the roads were okay and there were not many cars. Now it takes nearly 12hrs or more.....because we still have the same road - with 1000 times more cars.

In short - you're very stupid. If you can ask such a question. You should ask that question when you have expressways from Nairobi to Butere...and it takes you 3hrs to cover that small distance  - driving at 110km. Now it takes you a whole day and a lot of hair raising incidents to get to Butere..if you're luckly...and you dare say you can't think of any infrastructure deficit.

Kenya has basic infrastructure. Maybe you should quote any industry you imagine to be held back by infrastructure deficit. I can't think of any.

Still waiting for any industry that benefits from the infrastructure deficit. You have none and you had to quite your fellow chang'aa matey

infrastructure for industries can be gathered for in dongo kundu or some special island in Kenya coast.Infrastructure serves people who pays for it.The biggest component of our tax revenue is PAYE at around 4B dollars annually with TSC leading it.Not industries.Youre just out of your depth. a country is not a limited for profit company.

Oh so now it's reward for taxes paid? Taxes are paid out of productivity. That's sexy enough. Your claim was that this would power the country and I'm asking how?

[vooke]

In short manufacturing as a growth driver is DOA for Kenya. Services are a better bet - possible to leap-frog fr agric - but with dim-wit hacks like Pundit - that too is tough luck.

Nothing can happen without the hardware.You cannot build games in your head.Fix the basic infrastructure and step back . Manufacturing will come... because we would have ticked all the boxes. Tourist will move from 2m to 15m.If we had infrastructure as good as developed world what would stop industry, agriculture and services from moving here

Tourists come here mainly for the animals. Are there some isolated parks that are inaccessible and that are waiting for shiny SGR or expressway to thrive?

[vooke]

Here's the plummet of global power - while in Kenya last I heard you need ksh 35K to connect. Which peasant afford that? Has the cost dropped after last-mile? What industry is attracted to that - Big 4 manufacturing?

You cannot compare cost of solar with cost of connection..once off cost.35k is because you generally need a treated post cost 20k and cable plus labour of 15K.That is easy to sort...solar, wind, geothermal and such cost around 8-10 cent usd per unit...coal is like 1..hydro 3 cents.Please grab some book and  read these stuff.

Why is power in Kenya so costly? Compared to say Ethiopia, Uganda, TZ, SA, Egypt, Rwanda. At 90% hydro it should be the cheapest. Wait... there are long last-miles to illiterate villagers in Samburu - that has raised cost for manufactures in Mombasa and Nairobi.

That plus stupid corrupt IPP contracts.

[RV Pundit]

Stupid argument is to blame the poor for expensive power.Worldwide a few big manufacturing and mining industries consume most power.In Kenya about 600 companies consume more than 60% of all power.In South Africa it's even worse about 10 major mining and manufacturing companies consume more than half the power.Household don't consume any power.They turn on the light for 2hrs and maybe a small TV.The connection money came from World Bank,AFDB and Kenya gov.There are not responsible at all for our expensive power.Our power is expensive because we have expensive source of power... including thermal or diesel plants.We need to fix that by embracing clean coal.But don't imagine manufacturers will rush in if you don't fix the rest of the stuff.

[vooke]

Stupid argument is to blame the poor for expensive power.Worldwide a few big manufacturing and mining industries consume most power.In Kenya about 600 companies consume more than 60% of all power.In South Africa it's even worse about 10 major mining and manufacturing companies consume more than half the power.Household don't consume any power.They turn on the light for 2hrs and maybe a small TV.The connection money came from World Bank,AFDB and Kenya gov.There are not responsible at all for our expensive power.Our power is expensive because we have expensive source of power... including thermal or diesel plants.We need to fix that by embracing clean coal.But don't imagine manufacturers will rush in if you don't fix the rest of the stuff.

How much will 'clean coal' power cost? Jubilee is as usual hiding the details for obvious reasons

[RV Pundit]

Clean coal cost like 1 cent while hydro cost 3 cent usd or shillings to produce.... the one we have in Kenya start from 8 i.e geothermal, wind,solar to 24 cent a unit for diesel or thermal plant.Hapo ndio shida

[vooke]

Clean coal cost like 1 cent while hydro cost 3 cent usd or shillings to produce.... the one we have in Kenya start from 8 i.e geothermal, wind,solar to 24 cent a unit for diesel or thermal plant.Hapo ndio shida

Not how much it costs out there but how it costs under the Awamu deal

[RV Pundit]

AMU - they signed 7.5 cents - which is ridiculously expensive  - even if we have to import coal. We need to dig up Kitui coal and burn it.

Not how much it costs out there but how it costs under the Awamu deal

[RV Pundit]

Amu Power has already signed a power purchase agreement with Kenya Power to sell electricity generated at the plant at a cost of US7.52c/kWh.

[vooke]

Amu Power has already signed a power purchase agreement with Kenya Power to sell electricity generated at the plant at a cost of US7.52c/kWh.

[RV Pundit]

Yes but hopefully when upfront investment pays up - we can generate cheaper power. AMU for example have to put down 2B dollars - that is huge investment. Also once we have excess capacity - KPLC can buy cheapest power available - via an auction system. Importing from Uganda is most expensive - I think nearly 25 cents. And Ethiopia certainly looking forward to make their dough from us. In meantime Ethiopia power is around 6 cents...they still subdize it...but cost of hydro at generation point is 3 cents...plus distribution & margins...6-8shs is what final customer ought to get.

The solution for me is Kitui cheap coal, Tanzania natural gas importation and finally NUCLEAR power.