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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2019, 08:27:16 PM »
It all about Gema interests really - nothing personal against Ruto.

2002 - Gema use Babu to contain Ruto & Moi.
2009-12 - Gema use Ruto to contain Babu.
2018-22 - Gema use Babu to contain Ruto.

It a no-brainer - and you can scream here about 50-50 MOU or DPORK - or whatever you think is GEMA interest. Power concede nothing - if Ruto is ready to give 50-50 - is that not inclusion - why not codify it as PM? Of course he only want to give verbal promise - cause he has no intention to honor it.
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2019, 08:43:06 PM »
PM ya nini.GEMA get DPORK and 50-50 kama kawaida.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2019, 09:25:49 PM »
Only a fool can trust a Kenyan politician

PM ya nini.GEMA get DPORK and 50-50 kama kawaida.
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2019, 09:47:01 PM »
You got to trust someone.Trust building btw Ruto and GEMA is complete.You want to trust Raila going for 7yrs non renewable term.At least with Ruto GEMA can switch in 2027.I not Ruto GEMA can go for it .

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2019, 11:11:42 PM »
There is absolutely nothing trustworthy about Ruto and Kalenjin who have PEV leverage. Luo are a much better choice.
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2019, 07:32:46 AM »
I think post-rate capping (2016) credit to the private sector & individual has continued to grow - but a more subdued growth (single digit as opposed to double digit). Everyone has benefited from the low-interest regime.  Gov and private sector are all enjoying lower interest...and in fact CBK has gone out of their way to keep the CBR rate higher - otherwise, Rotich would be borrowing at say 6%. Therefore Njomo low-interest regime is not all that bad...and I am glad we tried it. The gap of risky lending has been covered by the digital lenders..You keep questioning the economic growth rate (doubling of the economy) in six years of Jubilee without any strong basis. The growth has been broad-based. It also real growth of the economy - check the money supply (there is lot more more money (m1,m2,m3) under Jubilee than previously. Check poverty data.

This propaganda about real economy not growing as no basis. Some few sectors are struggling - like real estate - but everyone else is doing great.

Check out CBK numbers on local borrowing. Jubilee has increased both local and expensive commercial loans not to mention the euro and chinese loans.  We have had this discussion before, not all gdp growth are equal.  btw njomo capping rates is what has enabled government to borrow cheaply locally at the expense of private sector. If it wasn't for cap rates the government would be borrowing at 18% to 20% which would have forced treasury to halt crazy borrowing. The chinese loans are even worse cause they have be repaid using $, that's money being sucked out of the economy for projects that aren't yielding enough to pay for themselves. Anyway jubilee can claim of growing the economy at whatever rate but the kawaida mwanachi isn't feeling it.
Credit growth has averaged below 5% since the capping of interest rates. For the private sector growth to grow significantly credit growth should be above 12%. Only government has benefited from capping of rates and banks. Banks are now making more money from buying tbills than lending to private sector. There's no way CBR will be lowered to 6% cause that would mean the treasury would need to address all other macroeconomic factors. 
How can all sectors be thriving except real estate yet non performing loans have increased across the board http://kippra.or.ke/interest-rate-cap-two-years-on-outcomes-for-the-kenyan-economy/ ?
There's no point in having low interest rate that only the blue chip companies can access. Its better to have rates at 18% that's accessible to majority of kenyans.  The key to kenya economy as pointed out by Robina is SME and MSME.  Even in retail we're retrogressing, kenya used to be 40% formalized now we're in 33% range. And we have seen clearly the advent of kadogo economy. Yet, the overall volume sales aren't increasing , meaning consumers are downgrading to small packets. That's not a sign of a thriving economy.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2019, 08:49:06 AM »
The growth is real, broad-based and far from tapering. Low-interest rate regime has benefited not only the treasury but even the private sector - who'd want to pay 20% interest when they can pay 13% - and get deposit rate of 6-7%. In any case the digital lenders that you call shylock are lending more than 2B dollars already. NPL is a problem of because 1) pending bills 2) CBK strict enforcement of provisioning & reporting standard and 3) real trouble in retail & real estate sector - esp the later. What is causing the real estate slowdown - I think Big 4 promise of 500K affordable housing units has made every one pause.

I think post-rate capping (2016) credit to the private sector & individual has continued to grow - but a more subdued growth (single digit as opposed to double digit). Everyone has benefited from the low-interest regime.  Gov and private sector are all enjoying lower interest...and in fact CBK has gone out of their way to keep the CBR rate higher - otherwise, Rotich would be borrowing at say 6%. Therefore Njomo low-interest regime is not all that bad...and I am glad we tried it. The gap of risky lending has been covered by the digital lenders..You keep questioning the economic growth rate (doubling of the economy) in six years of Jubilee without any strong basis. The growth has been broad-based. It also real growth of the economy - check the money supply (there is lot more more money (m1,m2,m3) under Jubilee than previously. Check poverty data.

This propaganda about real economy not growing as no basis. Some few sectors are struggling - like real estate - but everyone else is doing great.

Check out CBK numbers on local borrowing. Jubilee has increased both local and expensive commercial loans not to mention the euro and chinese loans.  We have had this discussion before, not all gdp growth are equal.  btw njomo capping rates is what has enabled government to borrow cheaply locally at the expense of private sector. If it wasn't for cap rates the government would be borrowing at 18% to 20% which would have forced treasury to halt crazy borrowing. The chinese loans are even worse cause they have be repaid using $, that's money being sucked out of the economy for projects that aren't yielding enough to pay for themselves. Anyway jubilee can claim of growing the economy at whatever rate but the kawaida mwanachi isn't feeling it.
Credit growth has averaged below 5% since the capping of interest rates. For the private sector growth to grow significantly credit growth should be above 12%. Only government has benefited from capping of rates and banks. Banks are now making more money from buying tbills than lending to private sector. There's no way CBR will be lowered to 6% cause that would mean the treasury would need to address all other macroeconomic factors. 
How can all sectors be thriving except real estate yet non performing loans have increased across the board http://kippra.or.ke/interest-rate-cap-two-years-on-outcomes-for-the-kenyan-economy/ ?
There's no point in having low interest rate that only the blue chip companies can access. Its better to have rates at 18% that's accessible to majority of kenyans.  The key to kenya economy as pointed out by Robina is SME and MSME.  Even in retail we're retrogressing, kenya used to be 40% formalized now we're in 33% range. And we have seen clearly the advent of kadogo economy. Yet, the overall volume sales aren't increasing , meaning consumers are downgrading to small packets. That's not a sign of a thriving economy.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2019, 11:14:58 AM »
Seems Sonko has joined Stop Ruto Movement - on the road to Damascus. Dude grovels and sucks up to Uhuru almost as shamelessly as Ruto - the other certified Mulu Mutisya.


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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2019, 11:24:01 AM »
You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. I had to watch the entire video looking for nothing.
Seems Sonko has joined Stop Ruto Movement - on the road to Damascus. Dude grovels and sucks up to Uhuru almost as shamelessly as Ruto - the other certified Mulu Mutisya.



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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2019, 12:42:04 PM »
In the end he calls for Uhuru 3rd term... you may want to lower the blinkers for a sec

You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. I had to watch the entire video looking for nothing.
Seems Sonko has joined Stop Ruto Movement - on the road to Damascus. Dude grovels and sucks up to Uhuru almost as shamelessly as Ruto - the other certified Mulu Mutisya.


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Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2019, 09:31:51 PM »
Ruto & minions seeing Kibicho ghost everywhere - even in their own shadows


Nyoro to be arrested next week over Ruto support
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Kiharu MP Ndindi Nyoro (left) with DP Ruto at a past event. He has claimed that there are plans to arrest him next week over the management of the Kiharu National Government Constituency Development Fund when he was its chairman. PHOTO | FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP

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https://mobile.nation.co.ke/counties/Ndindi-Nyoro-says-will-be-arrested-next-week/1950480-5208536-78wflx/index.html
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2019, 12:13:51 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2019, 05:21:30 PM »
Ruto is unstoppable with the his gang 8)

https://www.facebook.com/452113201665959/posts/1093753214168618/


Only flowergirls are remaining in Ruto corner. And bongo lala Waititu - what a fool - to lose governorship for a vulture like Ruto. Likes of Kimemia, Wa Iria, Kiraitu just went quiet - as Sonko call for 3rd term - the new Kuria Kanyingi. Kila mtu msalaba wake.

RV Pundit - do you now agree Arap Kenyatta is not chicken meat. Ati lameduck. Your boy's minion just got SACKED from elected  Kiambu governor. In meantime Ruto continue to tingiza kidole ya nyayo. It very bad idea to take on PORK in Zamunda.
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2019, 08:23:15 AM »
Ms Robina, seen this? :o
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2019, 08:47:08 AM »
I doubt Uhuru is that dumb.

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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2019, 10:05:10 AM »
I doubt Uhuru is that dumb.

I doubt you are that dumb to miss it
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2019, 01:06:24 PM »
From annointed successor Ruto is now associated with big question mark - hana mbele wala nyuma
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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2019, 05:48:57 AM »
Wambugu superior argument against ruto antics in central province


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Re: Stop Ruto movement
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2019, 06:05:12 AM »
Wambugu is a failed project of Nancy and Kibicho.His movement is stuck with Kamanda.They use to do Sunday runs on churches but that seems no longer feasible.
Uhuru has reached a decision point...he has to.come out of his shadow to.fight Ruto or sue  for peace