Odm and Raila inalimwa Siaya na Nairobi

[RV Pundit]

Long diatribe. So basically you've no horse in 2022 yet. This is why my man Ruto is running alone. Raila folks like you're are predictably disillusioned and frustrated defeat after defeat. That is understandable.

You've or had reasons to support Raila. I have valid reasons why I continue to support Ruto. You think he will a Mobutu. I think he will be as transformative as Ethiopean Meles, Rwanda's Kagame or the old Museveni. If Ruto become PORK  - he just a hearbeat(Uhuru's heart) away from it - he won't suddenly become Mobutu- and has been running gok - and we haven't turned into Zaire.

Jubilee have done so well they were rewarded with a re-election.

In short - Kamami - your scare-mongering won't stop Ruto. We heard all that in 2013 when they were indicted by ICC and some of us who believed his was innocent went ahead to make him DPORK.

Kamami - support Raila without a lot of this contortions.

This is primitive nonsense. Or lies. Everyone you've named states their preferences for Raila over Ruto clearly. I even go further and state my preferences for Kamwana over Ruto based on nonsense you were espousing here in 2017. You know why? After the elections, I knew Raila is not gonna be on the ticket again, which I stated clearly, so for some of us, he's no longer a player. In fact, I'm p sure his aim is to prevent Ruto leadership more than to win himself. Your idea is that we must all turn ourselves into shameless fawning sycophants to count as "supporters". We supported Raila. Unlike you, we even called for him to accept defeat when we first thought he was genuinely beaten after the fake IEBC reports. So, no. Unajidanganya.

The disinterested commentary comes because we have a field of thieves and robbers. I prefer one over the other; doesn't mean I care that much. My hopes for that country p much kaputted in 2017. Now, I'll settle for not living under a Mobuto wannabe. So no one is hiding, RV Primitive. We just don't care that much that one looter is getting shafted good by the other.

[Dear Mami]

your scare-mongering won't stop Ruto.

Lol, RV Primitive, it's plain daft to mention scare-mongering with the same mouth that was salivating over dictatorship all over this board. I hope you don't kiss your innocent baby's head with it.

[RV Pundit]

I actually used my fingers to type that.My mouth is shut - Thank you! Let me clarify what I mean by transformation under Meles/Kagame/Museveni - it does not mean Ruto will turn into a military dictator - Ruto will use his political gifts to achieve political ends - and he will transform the country - by growing the economy, building infrastructure and getting stuff done. You know when you were scare-mongering - Dr Ruto was doing his Msc and Phd in plant ecology, he also lost like 50kgs and now ran 21kms of marathon - all this he did in free-time - because the man is INCREDIBLY DRIVEN GO-GETTER - wakes up 5am - hit the gym for an hr, is in office by 6am and doesn't stop working until 10pm - so Kamami - I hope soon you'll be back as Dr Kamami - to help Dr Ruto transform this country. Raila is an empty vessel. He won't take kenya anywhere with re-hearsed we-are-at-cross-roads speeches.

Dr Ruto has demonstrated over years that is one efficient, effective, driven, intelligent and committed leader. That is why I am pretty excited at kenya's future prospect if he nicks it.

Lol, RV Primitive, it's plain daft to mention scare-mongering with the same mouth that was salivating over dictatorship all over this board. I hope you don't kiss your innocent baby's head with it.

[Dear Mami]

I actually used my fingers to type that.My mouth is shut - Thank you! Let me clarify what I mean by transformation under Meles/Kagame/Museveni - it does not mean Ruto will turn into a military dictator - Ruto will use his political gifts to achieve political ends - and he will transform the country - by growing the economy, building infrastructure and getting stuff done. You know when you were scare-mongering - Dr Ruto was doing his Msc and Phd in plant ecology, he also lost like 50kgs and now ran 21kms of marathon - all this he did in free-time - because the man is INCREDIBLY DRIVEN GO-GETTER - wakes up 5am - hit the gym for an hr, is in office by 6am and doesn't stop working until 10pm - so Kamami - I hope soon you'll be back as Dr Kamami - to help Dr Ruto transform this country.

Lol, RV Primitive, it's plain daft to mention scare-mongering with the same mouth that was salivating over dictatorship all over this board. I hope you don't kiss your innocent baby's head with it.

Listen here Primitive, Hitler, Stalin, they were all go-getters. You can't go around fawning over dictatorship and claiming it's a good way to transform a country. If I didn't think your views were representative of your friends like Murkomen, I wouldn't care who beat who between greedy Ruto and lazybones Kamwana. Until another inspiring figure rose up to fill Raila's big anti-establishment shoes, I'd just watch the fight. But frighteningly, I know you were talking like that because that's what you hear in your RV "bar talks". So your boy Ruto is not just typical Kenyan looter politician, but he wants to return repression too, as if our condition isn't already bad enough as things stand. You are disloyal to this country if you think supporting dictatorship for one person is good because he promises goodies. He is not a saint. And even if he was, you have no way of reading the future. You can never know for sure where that power will wind up after you've created it. Trust him with all that power at your peril. Such talk is plain disloyal.

[Nefertiti]

I support Raila Odinga. When have I been vague? I first voted 2010 Ruto cause I wanted parliamentary; 2013 Ruto; 2017 we were here fighting - I was Raila. But not passionately - my support of politicians is the love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin variety. For example I voted Raila but the evidence at SCORK failed to add up - then NRM secession - I heartlessly abandoned the man. Not like you or patel ready to die or go to war for any of the chameleons.

Now, why you find me duplicitous - is because I can argue a point - dispassionately - regardless of whom I back as you see above. I don't believe an Odinga government would be utopian - the usual scandals, squabbles or assassinations would occur. But he's the better of the two horses in the race. You believe Ruto would do miracles and of course you know my views about the man and his visions.

Your theory - let's assume you truly believe Uhuru is playing Raila - I don't see it happening quite that way. These are no fools - none of them is. Let me explain. Raila my old man has launched a trojan. Your smart alec overreached - played into Amolo's trap.  The referendum push - is a trojan - if Ruto supports it he's cooked. If he opposes - doesn't matter if it definitely fails - he's still cooked  because the battle is Raila platform to edge out Ruto in Gema and elsewhere.

Ruto and all of them know this of course  - but are already  dealt with their cards. But Uhuru-Raila interests are aligned. You can't trust a vulture either way - so it's in Uhuru interest to restore and firm up the Gema-Gusii-etc TNA grip against Ruto - and strike a good deal later. It's a win-win for Uhuru whether katiba pass or not. Mambo ya legacy sijui peaceful oiled machine is cheap. Cause power concede nothing. Supreme Leader is a joke you need to trash - that he can still retain but with real numbers to deal. Like Ruto 2012.

Uhuru Kenyatta is best served by the broad as daylight actions that you heap on the dark forces. He's rght on the money.

I support Ruto. I don't hide that like you guys. Whoever I support or voted for - I declare it. I think that is why debating Kichwa is pleasant. He doesn't hide his card and try to argue like a disinterested party - like you,kadudu, kamami and terminator.

First declare who you support and we will proceed knowing your biasness too if any. I try to be very objective despite my open support now for Uhuru, Ruto, Sonko, I switched and voted for Passaris - and voted Jubilee elsewhere.

Now your theory is that Uhuru will go with Raila. They will amend the constitution to have an executive Prime Minister (designed for Uhuru) and Raila will be the ceremonial PORK. Gideon Moi maybe the DPORK. Kalonzo maybe Deputy PM. Nice theory.Nothing novel - NARA 2.0. We will find out soon enough because the constitution will need to amend way before we get to 2022.  Let see if they will get the political support needed to amend the constitution - something that took 2007 war. It will be interesting how an elected Raila will hand over power to Uhuru - to run his 3rd term, appoint a cabinet and ran gov . Insanity.

My theory is that GEMA will take DPORK (possibly Kiunjuri or Waiguru or Mwangi) - continue with 50-50 gentleman MOU with Ruto - Uhuru will retain his party leadership role - and Jubilee will continue as it is.  You don't change a winning formula. UhuRuto have worked together for many years - and they have built the trust, the rapport and synergy to get stuff done.


I don't think Uhuru and Raila can work together - Raila is basically impossible to work with - which is why even now Uhuru is dealing with Raila with ten-foot pole (Nancy & Muhoho) - and has not allowed him near gov. Raila still send messages through emissaries.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto has never been a dictator. That is why Kalenjin love him.It not easy to unite a tribe with 10 sub-tribes and yet Ruto has done - by doing the opposite of Moi. Yes he will fight his political battles - but he will never interfere with local elections or the will of people. That is why likes of Alfred Keter were elected in Jubilee. Moi used coercion.Ruto use hard work (money & usual political campaigning against someone or something) - and of course he has gift of cab and brain to match - so makes a great propagandist.

Is Ruto dictator - hell no. Is Ruto corrupt - very corrupt from what I have heard. Is Ruto a hard worker - absolutely. Does Ruto get stuff done - yes. Is Ruto intelligent - of course. I couldn't care less - BIG CEOS are paid handsomely - and so should the likes of Ruto - I would be worried for someone that doesn't steal, doesn't get anything done.

What I can predict in 10yrs after Ruto presidency - Kenya will be richer - and Ruto will probably be one of Africa richest politicians. He will grow the pie - but he will reward himself handsomely.

Politically Ruto will streamroll opposition - he won't use any coercion - but will basically out-politick them - Ruto knows how to make and keep friends - he knows how to care about politicians- he will probably buy or bribe a few - but basically there is real possibilities that what we have now  (one party dejure state) - will continue -  Uhuru is benefitting from Ruto ceaseless campaigning that has rendered Raila and his NASA pretty useless - in and outside parliament.

Listen here Primitive, Hitler, Stalin, they were all go-getters. You can't go around fawning over dictatorship and claiming it's a good way to transform a country. If I didn't think your views were representative of your friends like Murkomen, I wouldn't care who beat who between greedy Ruto and lazybones Kamwana. Until another inspiring figure rose up to fill Raila's big anti-establishment shoes, I'd just watch the fight. But frighteningly, I know you were talking like that because that's what you hear in your RV "bar talks". So your boy Ruto is not just typical Kenyan looter politician, but he wants to return repression too, as if our condition isn't already bad enough as things stand. You are disloyal to this country if you think supporting dictatorship for one person is good because he promises goodies. He is not a saint. And even if he was, you have no way of reading the future. You can never know for sure where that power will wind up after you've created it. Trust him with all that power at your peril. Such talk is plain disloyal.

[RV Pundit]

You're conflicted. You support Raila. You abandoned Raila. I think we can go with you still support Raila. Sounds fair enough to me.

You had me nearly confused there. You theory is not cogent. Let me try summarize

So you think Uhuru will go with Raila - ammend Katiba.
He will then splinter Jubilee - into TNA & URP.
Then with this small party (GEMA+Gusii) will go hunt for either PORK or PM - most likely with Raila or even Ruto.
Obviously Uhuru is has term limit problem with PORK - so he will be settling for PM.

Sounds plausible. I guess we first will wait for BBI to come up with their report - and for the shenagians if any to ammend the katiba.

We shall see how it pans out. My theory is GEMA  & Uhuru will settle for DPORK and 50% power sharing, go for an easy win with Ruto.Uhuru doesn't want to extend his stay in power in any form - worst a small demeaning job as PM. Uhuru will probably be convinced to retain party leadership just to keep himself busy - but he will likely love to go for easy life and take care of his lungs.

I support Raila Odinga. When have I been vague? I first voted 2010 Ruto cause I wanted parliamentary; 2013 Ruto; 2017 we were here fighting - I was Raila. But not passionately - my support of politicians is the love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin variety. For example I voted Raila but the evidence at SCORK failed to add up - then NRM secession - I heartlessly abandoned the man. Not like you or patel ready to die or go to war for any of the chameleons.

Now, why you find me duplicitous - is because I can argue a point - dispassionately - regardless of whom I back as you see above. I don't believe an Odinga government would be utopian - the usual scandals, squabbles or assassinations would occur. But he's the better of the two horses in the race. You believe Ruto would do miracles and of course you know my views about the man and his visions.

Your theory - let's assume you truly believe Uhuru is playing Raila - I don't see it happening quite that way. These are no fools - none of them is. Let me explain. Raila my old man has launched a trojan. Your smart alec overreached - played into Amolo's trap.  The referendum push - is a trojan - if Ruto supports it he's cooked. If he opposes - doesn't matter if it definitely fails - he's still cooked  because the battle is Raila platform to edge out Ruto in Gema and elsewhere.

Ruto and all of them know this of course  - but are already  dealt with their cards. But Uhuru-Raila interests are aligned. You can't trust a vulture either way - so it's in Uhuru interest to restore and firm up the Gema-Gusii-etc TNA grip against Ruto - and strike a good deal later. It's a win-win for Uhuru whether katiba pass or not. Mambo ya legacy sijui peaceful oiled machine is cheap. Cause power concede nothing. Supreme Leader is a joke you need to trash - that he can still retain but with real numbers to deal. Like Ruto 2012.

Uhuru Kenyatta is best served by the broad as daylight actions that you heap on the dark forces. He's rght on the money.

[Nefertiti]

You almost got it but don't misquote me to serve your own ends.

Uhuru will support Ruto or Raila in the end - but that is pegged on having something to offer in the first place. Our point of departure is how this "something to offer" should be achieved or preserved. Hence our tussle over why things are the way they are in the political scene. You think Uhuru should just sit like a duck, drink and ride the well -oiled machine - and Ruto will hand over 50% GoK on a silver platter. That's self-serving of you. Imagine President Ruto with say 60% MPs, governors and sundry in monolithic Jubilee - what makes him honor a piece of paper? History and common sense and his character says he would not.

Do you see why it's silly and unlikely that Uhuru will endorse Ruto in the current setup? It's akin to Ruto endorsing Raila pre-2012 - before first cornering Kamatusa.

So given the above - Uhuru will continue to work with Raila to undermine Ruto. Uhuru's VISIBLE actions back my theory - yours is just speculation about dark forces - mysterious folks rarely seen but heard everywhere. Whether Uhuru gets PM bonus - or get to deal ala Ruto 2012 with a proper lever - that's how to retain power and is the driver of his actions today. My man Raila of course - is the big beneficiary of this conundrum - Ruto is the big loser - and will milk it gleefully for all its worth. From hopeless nothing a year ago he has a much better stake now. Dismiss him like Moi at your own peril.

You're conflicted. You support Raila. You abandoned Raila. I think we can go with you still support Raila. Sounds fair enough to me.

You had me nearly confused there. You theory is not cogent. Let me try summarize

So you think Uhuru will go with Raila - ammend Katiba.
He will then splinter Jubilee - into TNA & URP.
Then with this small party (GEMA+Gusii) will go hunt for either PORK or PM - most likely with Raila or even Ruto.
Obviously Uhuru is has term limit problem with PORK - so he will be settling for PM.

Sounds plausible. I guess we first will wait for BBI to come up with their report - and for the shenagians if any to ammend the katiba.

We shall see how it pans out. My theory is GEMA  & Uhuru will settle for DPORK and 50% power sharing, go for an easy win with Ruto.Uhuru doesn't want to extend his stay in power in any form - worst a small demeaning job as PM. Uhuru will probably be convinced to retain party leadership just to keep himself busy - but he will likely love to go for easy life and take care of his lungs.

[Nefertiti]

Again Ruto the Great - you know my take. Waking up at 4am, going gym - we agree PhD is ecology on paper - the real PhD is in corruption. A leader's physical hyper activities mean nothing when he has no credible vision or strategy. Which Ruto does not. He is nothing like Kagame or Meles - that's totally subjective - why does the wanton looting not equally make him Mobutu or Abacha? Until he has ultimate power we actually don't know anything definitive. But we know how he handled poor Isaac. Now, we had that debate about the borrow & build model - which they just copycat raw & stupidly from old wheelchair ridden Kibaki. You were here with China, then Chile and Indonesia - we ripped all those asunder - nothing credible to back your man's vision. It's the brains that count - not running up and down.

Ruto has never been a dictator. That is why Kalenjin love him.It not easy to unite a tribe with 10 sub-tribes and yet Ruto has done - by doing the opposite of Moi. Yes he will fight his political battles - but he will never interfere with local elections or the will of people. That is why likes of Alfred Keter were elected in Jubilee. Moi used coercion.Ruto use hard work (money & usual political campaigning against someone or something) - and of course he has gift of cab and brain to match - so makes a great propagandist.

Is Ruto dictator - hell no. Is Ruto corrupt - very corrupt from what I have heard. Is Ruto a hard worker - absolutely. Does Ruto get stuff done - yes. Is Ruto intelligent - of course. I couldn't care less - BIG CEOS are paid handsomely - and so should the likes of Ruto - I would be worried for someone that doesn't steal, doesn't get anything done.

What I can predict in 10yrs after Ruto presidency - Kenya will be richer - and Ruto will probably be one of Africa richest politicians. He will grow the pie - but he will reward himself handsomely.

Politically Ruto will streamroll opposition - he won't use any coercion - but will basically out-politick them - Ruto knows how to make and keep friends - he knows how to care about politicians- he will probably buy or bribe a few - but basically there is real possibilities that what we have now  (one party dejure state) - will continue -  Uhuru is benefitting from Ruto ceaseless campaigning that has rendered Raila and his NASA pretty useless - in and outside parliament.

[RV Pundit]

Gema have tried Odingas thrice and they couldn't even consumate those marriage.Kalenjin have a track record.Ruto has his track record.Why would Ruto risky the ire of GEMA by going against 50-50.Why risk acrimonious gov.Why risk a tough battle in 2027.Ruto will give GEMA Dpork.After ten years Gema will be back for another ten or earlier if Ruto dies.Raila will promise them PM.Raila track record is known.Raila wants one term of 7yrs to basically ran amok without consequences.Why would Gema risk all that including the lives and properties of their huge diaspora in Rv.Some jokes are too funny.Please be rational.Gema have refused to board MV Handshake.Uhuru is now backpedaling.Soon you'll hear Kibicho has been moved and Ruto back to managing state affairs

You almost got it but don't misquote me to serve your own ends.

Uhuru will support Ruto or Raila in the end - but that is pegged on having something to offer in the first place. Our point of departure is how this "something to offer" should be achieved or preserved. Hence our tussle over why things are the way they are in the political scene. You think Uhuru should just sit like a duck, drink and ride the well -oiled machine - and Ruto will hand over 50% GoK on a silver platter. That's self-serving of you. Imagine President Ruto with say 60% MPs, governors and sundry in monolithic Jubilee - what makes him honor a piece of paper? History and common sense and his character says he would not.

Do you see why it's silly and unlikely that Uhuru will endorse Ruto in the current setup? It's akin to Ruto endorsing Raila pre-2012 - before first cornering Kamatusa.

So given the above - Uhuru will continue to work with Raila to undermine Ruto. Uhuru's VISIBLE actions back my theory - yours is just speculation about dark forces - mysterious folks rarely seen but heard everywhere. Whether Uhuru gets PM bonus - or get to deal ala Ruto 2012 with a proper lever - that's how to retain power and is the driver of his actions today. My man Raila of course - is the big beneficiary of this conundrum - Ruto is the big loser - and will milk it gleefully for all its worth. From hopeless nothing a year ago he has a much better stake now. Dismiss him like Moi at your own peril.

You're conflicted. You support Raila. You abandoned Raila. I think we can go with you still support Raila. Sounds fair enough to me.

You had me nearly confused there. You theory is not cogent. Let me try summarize

So you think Uhuru will go with Raila - ammend Katiba.
He will then splinter Jubilee - into TNA & URP.
Then with this small party (GEMA+Gusii) will go hunt for either PORK or PM - most likely with Raila or even Ruto.
Obviously Uhuru is has term limit problem with PORK - so he will be settling for PM.

Sounds plausible. I guess we first will wait for BBI to come up with their report - and for the shenagians if any to ammend the katiba.

We shall see how it pans out. My theory is GEMA  & Uhuru will settle for DPORK and 50% power sharing, go for an easy win with Ruto.Uhuru doesn't want to extend his stay in power in any form - worst a small demeaning job as PM. Uhuru will probably be convinced to retain party leadership just to keep himself busy - but he will likely love to go for easy life and take care of his lungs.

[RV Pundit]

Scaremongering.Ruto is Dpork and has been co president.Jubilee performance is largely thanks to him because Uhuru is mostly a drubkard

Again Ruto the Great - you know my take. Waking up at 4am, going gym - we agree PhD is ecology on paper - the real PhD is in corruption. A leader's physical hyper activities mean nothing when he has no credible vision or strategy. Which Ruto does not. He is nothing like Kagame or Meles - that's totally subjective - why does the wanton looting not equally make him Mobutu or Abacha? Until he has ultimate power we actually don't know anything definitive. But we know how he handled poor Isaac. Now, we had that debate about the borrow & build model - which they just copycat raw & stupidly from old wheelchair ridden Kibaki. You were here with China, then Chile and Indonesia - we ripped all those asunder - nothing credible to back your man's vision. It's the brains that count - not running up and down.

Ruto has never been a dictator. That is why Kalenjin love him.It not easy to unite a tribe with 10 sub-tribes and yet Ruto has done - by doing the opposite of Moi. Yes he will fight his political battles - but he will never interfere with local elections or the will of people. That is why likes of Alfred Keter were elected in Jubilee. Moi used coercion.Ruto use hard work (money & usual political campaigning against someone or something) - and of course he has gift of cab and brain to match - so makes a great propagandist.

Is Ruto dictator - hell no. Is Ruto corrupt - very corrupt from what I have heard. Is Ruto a hard worker - absolutely. Does Ruto get stuff done - yes. Is Ruto intelligent - of course. I couldn't care less - BIG CEOS are paid handsomely - and so should the likes of Ruto - I would be worried for someone that doesn't steal, doesn't get anything done.

What I can predict in 10yrs after Ruto presidency - Kenya will be richer - and Ruto will probably be one of Africa richest politicians. He will grow the pie - but he will reward himself handsomely.

Politically Ruto will streamroll opposition - he won't use any coercion - but will basically out-politick them - Ruto knows how to make and keep friends - he knows how to care about politicians- he will probably buy or bribe a few - but basically there is real possibilities that what we have now  (one party dejure state) - will continue -  Uhuru is benefitting from Ruto ceaseless campaigning that has rendered Raila and his NASA pretty useless - in and outside parliament.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I support Ruto. I don't hide that like you guys. Whoever I support or voted for - I declare it. I think that is why debating Kichwa is pleasant. He doesn't hide his card and try to argue like a disinterested party - like you,kadudu, kamami and terminator.

This is primitive nonsense. Or lies. Everyone you've named states their preferences for Raila over Ruto clearly. I even go further and state my preferences for Kamwana over Ruto based on nonsense you were espousing here in 2017. You know why? After the elections, I knew Raila is not gonna be on the ticket again, which I stated clearly, so for some of us, he's no longer a player. In fact, I'm p sure his aim is to prevent Ruto leadership more than to win himself. Your idea is that we must all turn ourselves into shameless fawning sycophants to count as "supporters". We supported Raila. Unlike you, we even called for him to accept defeat when we first thought he was genuinely beaten after the fake IEBC reports. So, no. Unajidanganya.

The disinterested commentary comes because we have a field of thieves and robbers. I prefer one over the other; doesn't mean I care that much. My hopes for that country p much kaputted in 2017. Now, I'll settle for not living under a Mobuto wannabe. So no one is hiding, RV Primitive. We just don't care that much that one looter is getting shafted good by the other.

Good memory.  I thought that he had run out of legally justifiable options.  Even their initial claims about data manipulation had reasonable doubts, even if they were plausible.  Then the petition happened.  Regardless of how the court would have ruled, at that point, given what had been revealed, there was no reasonable doubt about rigging.

Now going forward, the law allows the electronic transmission to fail, permitting ballot stuffing with impunity, thanks to the efforts of URP.  In the unlikely event that the dynasty candidate(whoever it is) actually loses to Ruto, this will come in handy. 

[hk]

Scaremongering.Ruto is Dpork and has been co president.Jubilee performance is largely thanks to him because Uhuru is mostly a drubkard

So as co-president Ruto is also responsible for  half of all the mess in jubilee? Or him is only responsible for the few good parts like Huduma centres and TIVET? Anyhow now instead of halting local borrowing and scrapping interest rates caps spread he's now in bed with uhuru supporting huduma number in the guise of supporting SME access credit https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-04-07-state-committed-to-growth-of-small-businesses-ruto/

[Nefertiti]

Good memory.  I thought that he had run out of legally justifiable options.  Even their initial claims about data manipulation had reasonable doubts, even if they were plausible.  Then the petition happened.  Regardless of how the court would have ruled, at that point, given what had been revealed, there was no reasonable doubt about rigging.

Now going forward, the law allows the electronic transmission to fail, permitting ballot stuffing with impunity, thanks to the efforts of URP.  In the unlikely event that the dynasty candidate(whoever it is) actually loses to Ruto, this will come in handy.

Pundit believes Ruto cannot be rigged out. Apparently everyone fears him. Talk of hubris.

[Nefertiti]

What scaremongering? The poor peasants afraid for their lives and property - have no power to do anything  - and are not here. We have an actual history of PEV - skeletons under the graves. Like I said Ruto or Raila have never been president - but we can't ignore history.

Scaremongering.Ruto is Dpork and has been co president.Jubilee performance is largely thanks to him because Uhuru is mostly a drubkard

[Nefertiti]

When that happens we will all see it in the news. But it's OK to just hope and pray.

Gema have tried Odingas thrice and they couldn't even consumate those marriage.Kalenjin have a track record.Ruto has his track record.Why would Ruto risky the ire of GEMA by going against 50-50.Why risk acrimonious gov.Why risk a tough battle in 2027.Ruto will give GEMA Dpork.After ten years Gema will be back for another ten or earlier if Ruto dies.Raila will promise them PM.Raila track record is known.Raila wants one term of 7yrs to basically ran amok without consequences.Why would Gema risk all that including the lives and properties of their huge diaspora in Rv.Some jokes are too funny.Please be rational.Gema have refused to board MV Handshake.Uhuru is now backpedaling.Soon you'll hear Kibicho has been moved and Ruto back to managing state affairs

[RV Pundit]

Where was Maina Kamanda this weekend..Ruto has all over the country.The kibicho hired mps already run out steam.Dr Ruto is the energizer.Dont want to wish my enemies on him.Gigiri grp are gone...matter of time.The Harambee house Corruption war itself is dead.

When that happens we will all see it in the news. But it's OK to just hope and pray.

[RV Pundit]

Scaremongering.Ruto is Dpork and has been co president.Jubilee performance is largely thanks to him because Uhuru is mostly a drubkard

So as co-president Ruto is also responsible for  half of all the mess in jubilee? Or him is only responsible for the few good parts like Huduma centres and TIVET? Anyhow now instead of halting local borrowing and scrapping interest rates caps spread he's now in bed with uhuru supporting huduma number in the guise of supporting SME access credit https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-04-07-state-committed-to-growth-of-small-businesses-ruto/

Ruto has been co president until the second term.This is now mostly Uhuru gov.

[vooke]

Babu losing in Emba and Siaya tells you something is really rotten with ODM. I think it is safe to say that even Luos are revolting from within

[Nefertiti]

Babu losing in Emba and Siaya tells you something is really rotten with ODM. I think it is safe to say that even Luos are revolting from within

Wiper played kamba nationalism card - Emba South has lots of Kambas - who vote Raila-Kalonzo then Sonko. I disagree baba is in trouble - this was small stuff - not indicative. Micro - talk macro. He's in top form giving nightmares to our genius hustler.