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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2019, 05:47:56 PM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them

The Ohio shooter had a kill/rape list of classmates in high school.
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2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2019, 06:46:09 PM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them

The Ohio shooter had a kill/rape list of classmates in high school.

The gaming excuse does not fly.  Americans do not game any differently from other western countries.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2019, 07:34:59 PM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them

The Ohio shooter had a kill/rape list of classmates in high school.

The gaming excuse does not fly.  Americans do not game any differently from other western countries.

I know. It was not racially motivated. He even shot his sister. This is mental sickness
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2019, 11:28:41 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.

Yup.  Against the background of general gun violence, this is what has been on the rise.

Rethugs resist curbing the 2nd amendment to keep it a campaign issue. I don't think they genuinely fear its abuse by liberals. The redneck base views guns as a life and death affair. These nuts killing folks were latently always there but the alt-right had no media to infect them. Any GP will tell you  the most obvious side effect of drug abuse is delusion and paranoia. Remove opioids and guns and white terrorism dies.

Yes, there are mental issues.  But I think the racist redneck has always been a mainstay of the Republican(and when they were Democratic) party.  It has been said he would cut his nose off, if it somehow resulted in injury to blacks as well. 

The GOP had managed to keep them more or less content, with sporadic red meat, even as the country headed in a right direction.  Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Trump was able to tap into that cesspool of hate.  In return, they were now free to say the quiet parts out loud.

I sympathise with mental cases.  But I believe evil people are very real.

What's the solution? Is there a cure for racism? The electric chair clearly doesn't matter.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2019, 12:44:27 AM »
Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.

Yup.  Against the background of general gun violence, this is what has been on the rise.

Rethugs resist curbing the 2nd amendment to keep it a campaign issue. I don't think they genuinely fear its abuse by liberals. The redneck base views guns as a life and death affair. These nuts killing folks were latently always there but the alt-right had no media to infect them. Any GP will tell you  the most obvious side effect of drug abuse is delusion and paranoia. Remove opioids and guns and white terrorism dies.

Yes, there are mental issues.  But I think the racist redneck has always been a mainstay of the Republican(and when they were Democratic) party.  It has been said he would cut his nose off, if it somehow resulted in injury to blacks as well. 

The GOP had managed to keep them more or less content, with sporadic red meat, even as the country headed in a right direction.  Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Trump was able to tap into that cesspool of hate.  In return, they were now free to say the quiet parts out loud.

I sympathise with mental cases.  But I believe evil people are very real.

What's the solution? Is there a cure for racism? The electric chair clearly doesn't matter.

I think it's just time.  Demographic change will take care of it.  There will be a few last kicks during this transition period.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2019, 03:50:30 AM »
The Ohio shooter had a kill/rape list of classmates in high school.

The gaming excuse does not fly.  Americans do not game any differently from other western countries.

I know. It was not racially motivated. He even shot his sister. This is mental sickness

The guy has been a monster since at least High School from what I can tell.  I guess one could argue that pure evil is a form of mental illness.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2019, 06:14:19 AM »
There is furious propaganda on both sides seeking to the other for the massacre. Dems blame Trump. Rethugs blame mental illness exacerbated by Dem policies.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2019, 07:55:02 AM »
It's clearly the growth of alt-right rubbish due to internet and the demographic realities of the Western world. Combine that with policies allowing mad men to acquire military weapons and you have yourself a dangerous brew.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2019, 09:18:00 PM »
It's clearly the growth of alt-right rubbish due to internet and the demographic realities of the Western world. Combine that with policies allowing mad men to acquire military weapons and you have yourself a dangerous brew.

Yes. If they had easy access to guns in Kenya you would have daily massacres.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2019, 10:34:10 PM »
It's clearly the growth of alt-right rubbish due to internet and the demographic realities of the Western world. Combine that with policies allowing mad men to acquire military weapons and you have yourself a dangerous brew.

Yes. If they had easy access to guns in Kenya you would have daily massacres.

Imagine a disputed election in such an environment; an instant war zone.  But it would not be killing for the heck of killing like the sociopaths we have here.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2019, 12:29:23 PM »
I used to be a pacifist but not anymore. If I was in living in the USA, I most definitely would own a gun.

We live in uncertain times.