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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2019, 06:24:37 AM »
It took them a while to finger Boeing for the crash... not ET's poor safety standards.

Boeing took many years to get trusted, and now it may lose big after sleeping with Uncle Sam for too long.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 06:29:39 AM »
Glossed over the shooter's manifesto - The Great Replacement - crazy rants but sort of researched or plagiarized. Also skimmed over the one for the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Behring Breivik - 2083: A European Declaration of Independence - his is quite an inspired historical analysis - albeit with a severe anglo-racist bias. I wonder why such talents resort to terror? :o What they think is "culture war" or "white genocide" is truly only a political position like all else's. Why not be an active agitator - in the mold of Ann Coulter - rather than massacre innocent folks? The human mind is really very feeble and impressionable.

White nationalists are afraid of being in the minority, so they are quickly changing the rules. Give tax breaks to really rich white folks and protect them so they can continue to subjugate others. They see Trump as a savior.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 11:18:17 AM »
Glossed over the shooter's manifesto - The Great Replacement - crazy rants but sort of researched or plagiarized. Also skimmed over the one for the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Behring Breivik - 2083: A European Declaration of Independence - his is quite an inspired historical analysis - albeit with a severe anglo-racist bias. I wonder why such talents resort to terror? :o What they think is "culture war" or "white genocide" is truly only a political position like all else's. Why not be an active agitator - in the mold of Ann Coulter - rather than massacre innocent folks? The human mind is really very feeble and impressionable.

White nationalists are afraid of being in the minority, so they are quickly changing the rules. Give tax breaks to really rich white folks and protect them so they can continue to subjugate others. They see Trump as a savior.

The only change is now they get called out on their behavior.  Behavior that has otherwise not changed since they started invading and wiping out natives from foreign lands.  I always wonder how the African escaped the fate of the New World native.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2019, 01:04:30 PM »
By "talent" I mean the discipline and sacrifice it takes to create a massacre like the one in New Zealand. You don't pull that if you're weak in spirit. They are intellectually inept but the hate is a powerful motivator.

Yes, young men (sometimes women) ensnared by radicalism always display a single-minded commitment to their cause and self-sacrifice that might be almost admirable if one didn't look at the murder and mayhem. I think modern societies need to find a way to give young people a mission beyond themselves. That's why Jordan Peterson has been so successful with young men in the West. He sees a hunger there that can be potentially turned into dangerous radicalism and tries to steer it to somewhat safer routes. I've seen a few vids of former White Supremacists explaining how they got into it in the first place. It's interesting. They all got out eventually by exposure to the people they had been taught to hate (whereby these groups were humanized to them) and finding some kind of channel for that need for purpose. Men need to be heroes in some way that is meaningful to them.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2019, 04:38:24 PM »
By "talent" I mean the discipline and sacrifice it takes to create a massacre like the one in New Zealand. You don't pull that if you're weak in spirit. They are intellectually inept but the hate is a powerful motivator.

Yes, young men (sometimes women) ensnared by radicalism always display a single-minded commitment to their cause and self-sacrifice that might be almost admirable if one didn't look at the murder and mayhem. I think modern societies need to find a way to give young people a mission beyond themselves. That's why Jordan Peterson has been so successful with young men in the West. He sees a hunger there that can be potentially turned into dangerous radicalism and tries to steer it to somewhat safer routes. I've seen a few vids of former White Supremacists explaining how they got into it in the first place. It's interesting. They all got out eventually by exposure to the people they had been taught to hate (whereby these groups were humanized to them) and finding some kind of channel for that need for purpose. Men need to be heroes in some way that is meaningful to them.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2019, 06:12:54 PM »
Termi, I don't understand where he gets this Steve Bannon Reputation. I think it's because he hangs out with Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro and attacks the attackers of patriarchy? I don't agree with everything he says but he's the only of that side of the Web I find reasonable. At least he doesn't support blanket "pull-yourself-by-the-bootstraps" economics. Even Progressive youtube sites wouldn't classify him with Bannon. I think That's MSM misunderstanding. In any case, my point is, he has seen something in young White men in the West that's kinda dangerous but most people don't yet see it. Many guys who follow him were previously on the Alt-right route. There's a sizeable portion ripe and ready for radicalization and something needs to be done.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2019, 06:39:39 PM »
I agree much more needs to be done to redirect these wasted energies.. the Nordic bomber - Anders Breivik - left an elaborate terrorist manual that the New Zealand guy followed. A "compendium" alt-right quran. He refers to "Jesus Mandela Christ"  :) and says SA should be partitioned - the Africans are polluting the whites and Afrikaner.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2019, 02:19:40 AM »
Another psycho lets loose in Texas. Mass shooting at shopping mall to protest "Hispanic invasion". Borrows his manifesto widely from the NZ killer and other alt-righters.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-shooting/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2019, 02:21:42 AM »
Another psycho lets loose in Texas. Mass shooting at shopping mall to protest "Hispanic invasion". Borrows his manifesto widely from the NZ killer and other alt-righters.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-shooting/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

The 'grievances' are crazy rants as usual.

http://www.amerika.org/politics/alleged-el-paso-walmart-shooter-protests-hispanicization-of-texas/
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2019, 05:45:08 AM »
For every horrific incident, there's got to be thousands more typically white, male, uneducated, premeditating a shooting like this. Is it for the prison life? There's got to be something that pushes someone to do something heinous like this.

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2019, 11:32:32 AM »
For every horrific incident, there's got to be thousands more typically white, male, uneducated, premeditating a shooting like this. Is it for the prison life? There's got to be something that pushes someone to do something heinous like this.

Mental illness. Particularly paranoid schizophrenia. Opioids disproportionately afflict the underprivileged white male population.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2019, 01:14:45 PM »
Another one in Dayton, Ohio.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2019, 02:17:19 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2019, 04:11:59 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2019, 06:01:35 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.

Yup.  Against the background of general gun violence, this is what has been on the rise. 
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2019, 06:58:06 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.

Yup.  Against the background of general gun violence, this is what has been on the rise.

Rethugs resist curbing the 2nd amendment to keep it a campaign issue. I don't think they genuinely fear its abuse by liberals. The redneck base views guns as a life and death affair. These nuts killing folks were latently always there but the alt-right had no media to infect them. Any GP will tell you  the most obvious side effect of drug abuse is delusion and paranoia. Remove opioids and guns and white terrorism dies.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2019, 09:59:58 AM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2019, 01:47:21 PM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them

100 folks would have gone down if the cops didn't act so swiftly.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2019, 03:50:31 PM »
They are responding well to Trump's dog whistling
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/

But no motive so far for the Ohio shooter. Amazing he was stopped 30 seconds into his spree and he still managed to mow 9 and injure tens of them

The Ohio shooter had a kill/rape list of classmates in high school.
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Re: New Zealand shooting
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2019, 03:58:01 PM »
Gun control urgently needed

Not gona happen with the WH, senate and SCOTUS under the conservatives. Texas recently passed pro-gun law to allow statewide conceal & carry. Best we can hope for is the Dems take over next year and mandate serious background checks for any gun holder or applicant - including psyche evaluation. There's an outbreak of radical white terrorism.

Yup.  Against the background of general gun violence, this is what has been on the rise.

Rethugs resist curbing the 2nd amendment to keep it a campaign issue. I don't think they genuinely fear its abuse by liberals. The redneck base views guns as a life and death affair. These nuts killing folks were latently always there but the alt-right had no media to infect them. Any GP will tell you  the most obvious side effect of drug abuse is delusion and paranoia. Remove opioids and guns and white terrorism dies.

Yes, there are mental issues.  But I think the racist redneck has always been a mainstay of the Republican(and when they were Democratic) party.  It has been said he would cut his nose off, if it somehow resulted in injury to blacks as well. 

The GOP had managed to keep them more or less content, with sporadic red meat, even as the country headed in a right direction.  Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Trump was able to tap into that cesspool of hate.  In return, they were now free to say the quiet parts out loud.

I sympathise with mental cases.  But I believe evil people are very real.
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