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Offline KenyanPlato

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »
Wow how did she get this stupid over 12 million

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2018, 03:33:46 PM »
She has always been corrupt and didn't deserve to be DCJ. I am glad she is gone down. She is also probably most to blame for decision to annual election without merit. She was connected to Amos Wako - ODM senator - and was leaking info to NASA.

This is part of revisiting. Obviously everyone in kenya is corrupt. Matiangi is very corrupt and Uhuru has stone-walled his arrest.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2018, 03:35:29 PM »
Here is why I think this Hajj guy is just a hatchetman, with the ultimate aim of getting the hustler.  Anybody who does not go after low hanging fruits like Gichuru and Okemo is simply not to be trusted.
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Now he is going after a senior official whose crime involves peanuts relatively.  I am for all corrupt folks carrying their cross.  But going after small timers while the real swamp creatures remain untouched risks destroying the newly found faith in the fight against corruption.
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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2018, 03:39:49 PM »
Gichuru & Okemo issues like with our corrupt courts - no DCI. And beside I don't want DCI wake up all dead ghosts of 90s and 2000s when we have all graft. As for this war being targetted on Ruto - well I guess that is your wish :) . Obviously there can never be a serious war on graft in kenya and Ruto men were right to be apprehensive about this....only the naive would support such a war...like the same naivety of "Local tribunal". But taking down somebody like Ruto is NO SMALL JOKE. Uhuru need to have courage to take down Matiangis and some CS first. Ruto is the nuclear option - right now you can only assassinate him :) otherwise to arrest Ruto over some graft allegation was strategy used 20 yrs ago :If this war was to target Ruto - it would target his friends and proxies - never him - he is way beyond that.

Here is why I think this Hajj guy is just a hatchetman, with the ultimate aim of getting the hustler.  Anybody who does not go after low hanging fruits like Gichuru and Okemo is simply not to be trusted.
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Jersey-Island-confiscate-Gichuru-and-Okemo--stashes/1056-3092832-59m5saz/index.html

Now he is going after a senior official whose crime involves peanuts relatively.  I am for all corrupt folks carrying their cross.  But going after small timers while the real swamp creatures remain untouched risks destroying the newly found faith in the fight against corruption.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2018, 03:52:20 PM »
What about the former corrupt judge who retired. ?? The kalenjin guy..
will he be arrested too?
Why didnt the former DPP do his job like the current one? Should taxpayers ask for a refund?

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2018, 03:59:18 PM »
If he starts going for all corrupts - there won't be any people left. That one retired and is enjoying his loot. Getting evidence against Kidero will be hard -coz it will be one witness against a gang - and but yeah Norjin Hajj is doing great.

He need to keep frying more big fish to appease the god of anti-graft war. If he can sustain it for 2yrs - then Kenya will really change.

What about the former corrupt judge who retired. ?? The kalenjin guy..
will he be arrested too?
Why didnt the former DPP do his job like the current one? Should taxpayers ask for a refund?

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2018, 04:19:21 PM »
What about the former corrupt judge who retired. ?? The kalenjin guy..
will he be arrested too?
Why didnt the former DPP do his job like the current one? Should taxpayers ask for a refund?

Until someone significant is locked up, I am treating all this as a charade.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2018, 05:00:31 PM »
Don't beat around the bush :)
Until Ruto is locked up, I am treating all this as a charade.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2018, 05:04:10 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2018, 05:14:53 PM »
Mwilu now in Milimani - she may not have sleep in the cell if she is granted bail.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2018, 05:19:15 PM »
What is obvious is that Uhuru's men are leading this fight against "graft". Those are NIS-DCI-DPP - all working for Uhuru - and the war is led from interior ministry. If I was Ruto surrogate I'd be worried because it obvious PUTIN are in charge of the war - that explain why Matiangi is still out there. I'd be even more worried if I was Raila surrogate because Raila has no leverage on Uhuru.

This war has gifted Uhuru constitutional powers he doesn't enjoy. Ruto having been in power understands that - and was first one to ran to the hills - just like he did with local tribunal - the foolish ones who remain silent will be sacrificed.


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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2018, 06:08:11 PM »
I am assuming you mean Ruto, because Ouru is not going to be arrested.  Having clarified that, the investigation and the gathering of evidence against Ruto must be thorough otherwise we may end up with a case similar to the ICC situation.  That Ruto is a thief is not even debatable by sane people.  What we know is that Ruto will wage a political and tribal war when arrested and therefore the evidence must be overwhelming. I do not understand why this should be difficult given the fact that he has amassed so much wealth and has so much property in the country.  However, one must appreciate that Ruto is a very shrewd operator and he may have methodically wiped clean his finger prints and foot prints from the crime scenes.  It may therefore take a little while before he is ultimately tied to a crime with sufficient evidence to warrant an arrest that would lead to a conviction.  Ruto will be handled very carefully because of the kikuyu hostages in RV and therefore the timing must be perfect, the planning must be done meticulously and the arrest, if any, must be supported with overwhelming evidence and deployment of adequate security.


What about the former corrupt judge who retired. ?? The kalenjin guy..
will he be arrested too?
Why didnt the former DPP do his job like the current one? Should taxpayers ask for a refund?

Until someone significant is locked up, I am treating all this as a charade.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2018, 06:25:45 PM »
And preferably timed around 2022 :). I mean all dreams are valid. And hope springs eternal.The best PUTIN can do is to target Ruto men - but like Matiangi or Waiguru case shows - the moment you start seriously fighting corruption - you'll find yourself entangled in it. If Uhuru has Ruto dirty - Ruto has Uhuru dirty. The same can be said of Raila. The eating was done jointly - wherver there is Ruto CS - the PS is Uhuru - the same is cascaded through out. That I think is insurance the big boys have...against the war. Of course at end of day - these are show trials - securing conviction for any of these cases is hard.

The lower hanging fruits - the gullible new thieves who left their fingerpints and  footprints all over will be nabbed.

I am assuming you mean Ruto, because Ouru is not going to be arrested.  Having clarified that, the investigation and the gathering of evidence against Ruto must be thorough otherwise we may end up with a case similar to the ICC situation.  That Ruto is a thief is not even debatable by sane people.  What we know is that Ruto will wage a political and tribal war when arrested and therefore the evidence must be overwhelming. I do not understand why this should be difficult given the fact that he has amassed so much wealth and has so much property in the country.  However, one must appreciate that Ruto is a very shrewd operator and he may have methodically wiped clean his finger prints and foot prints from the crime scenes.  It may therefore take a little while before he is ultimately tied to a crime with sufficient evidence to warrant an arrest that would lead to a conviction.  Ruto will be handled very carefully because of the kikuyu hostages in RV and therefore the timing must be perfect, the planning must be done meticulously and the arrest, if any, must be supported with overwhelming evidence and deployment of adequate security.

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2018, 09:38:53 PM »
I'm not naive, I know he can't arrest Matiang'i because this is a political tussle with Ruto. I'm cheering the outcome of the war not the intent which is selfish as always. Right now noone can dare sniff a coin illegally in the entire GoK, noone wants to be picked up by mean kacheros at dawn on Saturday.

Uhuru cannot arrest matiangi. Only the naive Robina doesn't know this.
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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2018, 09:45:29 PM »
I think former Nairobi Town Clerk John Gakuo was jailed 3 years over the cemetery land saga. And his property taken. There are a few successes. The biggest payoff is deterrence of thieves. Before this it had become free-for-all.

Arresting and successfully prosecuting a judge are two different things. We have seen high profile arrests of late but even the old cases like NYS I are yet to take off. As of now to me it is all PR.
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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2018, 09:57:05 PM »
This war is about dismantling Ruto's looting network and scuttling his campaigns. Both are succeeding - already the national debate has changed with Ruto on the defensive. It's not possible to arrest him because he's too clever and powerful. Sabotaging his political plans is all that is needed.
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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2018, 10:11:29 PM »
Its not only ruto who was looting..so rob8na be a little object8ve..yeah looting is on temp ceasfire

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2018, 10:18:18 PM »
I'm glad you now admit there are serious differences between Uhuru and Ruto - with PUTIN spearheading the war. That tells you who is the target of the war.

Its not only ruto who was looting..so rob8na be a little object8ve..yeah looting is on temp ceasfire
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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2018, 11:05:03 PM »
The target too smart for putin

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Re: Jubilee corruption dragnet captures top judge
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2018, 11:34:08 PM »
Time will tell. At least we agree on the target.

The target too smart for putin
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