Ruto win Kagame & Museveni's Young Achiever Award

[RV Pundit]

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People easily forget that Ruto despite his age and his poor background has really come far. Ruto is either going to be a Kagame or Museveni or Meles Zenawi.

 I am learning towards the more brilliant Meles Zenawi. Ruto with his intelligence, breathtaking ambition & go-getter attitude will transform Kenya to a developed country in 10yrs - like he has transformed his personal life.

Uhuru simplys lacks the drive. He is an accidental politician and has no fire in his belly. Thank goodness Ruto is on his side. Raila would be a Magufuli - unhinged dictator - who will not be allowed to rule a country as divided as Kenya - coz he'll plunge it into chaos.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000160076/-william-ruto-wins-the-young-achievers-award-in-kampala-uganda

[Kadudu]

If wishes were horses.......................

People easily forget that Ruto despite his age and his poor background has really come far. Ruto is either going to be a Kagame or Museveni or Meles Zenawi.
I am learning towards the more brilliant Meles Zenawi. Ruto with his intelligence, breathtaking ambition & go-getter attitude will transform Kenya to a developed country in 10yrs  - like he has transformed his personal life.

Uhuru simplys lacks the drive. He is an accidental politician and has no fire in his belly. Thank goodness Ruto is on his side. Raila would be a Magufuli - unhinged dictator - who will not be allowed to rule a country as divided as Kenya - coz he'll plunge it into chaos.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000160076/-william-ruto-wins-the-young-achievers-award-in-kampala-uganda

[Nefertiti]

I'm sure you don't mean we should aspire to have a life long crude dictator like M7. As for Kagame and Zenawi, there is a critical differentiator from Ruto: integrity. While Kagame has jailed his brother for corruption, Ruto shows up at 5am to scheme how to steal from poor Kenyans.

[Nefertiti]

Rwanda is a major beneficiary of FDI - the attraction being very low corruption. With corrupt Ruto as PORK the difference between Kenya and Rwanda would be as stark as day and night.

[RV Pundit]

Kagame and Zenawi killed so many folks on their way to power. You cannot call them killers or murderers. They did this to get to power. Ruto is stealing because as an intelligent politician he knows without money he aint going nowhere. That big difference btw say Robina and Ruto. Just like it was neccessary for Kagame and Zenawi to kill - Ruto knows the reality of our politics.

There are many corrupt or non-corrupt leaders (pick any other attribute) what distinguish great leaders in my view is their ability to get things done. Some of worst dictators like Pinochet of Chile transformed their country.

I'm sure you don't mean we should aspire to have a life long crude dictator like M7. As for Kagame and Zenawi, there is a critical differentiator from Ruto: integrity. While Kagame has jailed his brother for corruption, Ruto shows up at 5am to scheme how to steal from poor Kenyans.

[RV Pundit]

Nobody really bring their fdi because of low corruption. It's about return on investment & safety of those investment. It possible to be a thriving corrupt country. Rwanda has it's issues..but Kagame mr-fix-it attitude and problem-solving skills akin to Ruto is what makes a nation thrives.

Rwanda is a major beneficiary of FDI - the attraction being very low corruption. With corrupt Ruto as PORK the difference between Kenya and Rwanda would be as stark as day and night.

[hk]

I hope the brilliance isn't like when Ruto was minister of agriculture and introduced ban on export of raw nuts. Consequently the cartels started paying farmers peanuts since there was no competition from foreign buyers. So basically the policy impoverished farmers while enriching few processors. BTW in the matter of macadamia the processing just involves cracking the shell. So about 500k farmers income was comprised to create about 5k low paying jobs. That's what we call economic retrogression .

[RV Pundit]

Why can't farmers process their own nuts. They need to form co-operatives and sell processed nuts. Ruto is well onto coffee and tea. And I think this is part of brilliance and leadership. Yeah
somebody has got to bite the bullet. The farmers will lose in short term - but eventually they'll gain - just as entire value chain is built.

They are 28 macademia processors up from 5 - and nothing stop more of them

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001278705/china-macadamia-appetite-makes-kenyan-coffee-farmers-go-nuts

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001278705/china-macadamia-appetite-makes-kenyan-coffee-farmers-go-nuts

I hope the brilliance isn't like when Ruto was minister of agriculture and introduced ban on export of raw nuts. Consequently the cartels started paying farmers peanuts since there was no competition from foreign buyers. So basically the policy impoverished farmers while enriching few processors. BTW in the matter of macadamia the processing just involves cracking the shell. So about 500k farmers income was comprised to create about 5k low paying jobs. That's what we call economic retrogression .

[hk]

Why can't farmers process their own nuts. They need to form co-operatives and sell processed nuts. Ruto is well onto coffee and tea. And I think this is part of brilliance and leadership. Yeah somebody has got to bite the bullet. The farmers will lose in short term - but eventually they'll gain - just as entire value chain is built.

Really brilliance??? Impoverishing farmers by erecting unnecessary barriers so that middlemen can make money? Its clear you and Ruto don't believe in free markets. The option should always be there to counterweight against exploitation of state created monopolies. Processing nuts involves just cracking the shell of macadamia . Roasting, packaging and branding is where value is created. The farmers should be able to sell their product to whomever is offering the best price be it cooperative or private processor. I understand Ruto supports the ill thought out Moses Kuria bill of banning export of raw coffee also. I sense that Ruto loves command and control economies like Ethiopia. And obviously him calling the shots.

[veritas]

Ruto's a loudmouth & a poster child for Danning-Krueger effect. I've studied him carefully on youtube.

[RV Pundit]

Yes some form of control and direction is required otherwise mwafrika will lose out. The role of gov is to regulate any industry. You're advocating for laizer-faire kind of systems. Gov like Ethiopia or Chinese are able to pull people out of poverty by fixing things. It painful at the start but soon farmers will be the richer, the economy the better. Look at tea - sri-lanka with less quality tea - are making twice - because they've banned direct sales. The same is true with Ethiopia coffee after Meles intervention. Why would our highly prized coffee be used to blend cheap coffee...when we can have Made in Kenya coffee unblended. The same with our high quality tea.

I am all for coffee, tea and macadamia processing - but let's try phase approach - say we allow 1st year - ratio of 20% processed to 80% bulk - and eventually aim for 100% processed products.

That why we can double our agriculture GDP, move lot more people out of poverty and make farming profitable. If this wasn't the role of gov - I don't know what it. If Gov role is just to sit back and allow anything goes - then same mess will continue.

Really brilliance??? Impoverishing farmers by erecting unnecessary barriers so that middlemen can make money? Its clear you and Ruto don't believe in free markets. The option should always be there to counterweight against exploitation of state created monopolies. Processing nuts involves just cracking the shell of macadamia . Roasting, packaging and branding is where value is created. The farmers should be able to sell their product to whomever is offering the best price be it cooperative or private processor. I understand Ruto supports the ill thought out Moses Kuria bill of banning export of raw coffee also. I sense that Ruto loves command and control economies like Ethiopia. And obviously him calling the shots.

[hk]

Yes some form of control and direction is required otherwise mwafrika will lose out. The role of gov is to regulate any industry. You're advocating for laizer-faire kind of systems. Gov like Ethiopia or Chinese are able to pull people out of poverty by fixing things. It painful at the start but soon farmers will be the richer, the economy the better. Look at tea - sri-lanka with less quality tea - are making twice - because they've banned direct sales. The same is true with Ethiopia coffee after Meles intervention. Why would our highly prized coffee be used to blend cheap coffee...when we can have Made in Kenya coffee unblended. The same with our high quality tea.

I am all for coffee, tea and macadamia processing - but let's try phase approach - say we allow 1st year - ratio of 20% processed to 80% bulk - and eventually aim for 100% processed products.

That why we can double our agriculture GDP, move lot more people out of poverty and make farming profitable. If this wasn't the role of gov - I don't know what it. If Gov role is just to sit back and allow anything goes - then same mess will continue.

1. Ethiopia hasn't banned export of green coffee . Its actually one of the country main exports. The advantage that Ethiopia has over kenya is local consumption. To process, roast and pack coffee then exporting it to USA would mean a FDA approval. There's no manufacturer in kenya that has an FDA approval. Kenya coffee needs to be freshly roasted to fetch high prices, so actually roasting it locally then exporting it is actually value destruction. Our best coffee is sold to artisan coffee shops like https://bluebottlecoffee.com/ .
I am all for processing coffee and capturing most of the value chain but not at the expense of farmers. Kenya only account for less than 1% of the global coffee production, its not like buyers will be scrambling cause of the ban but it'll decimate the few profitable farmers.
2. Macadamia sold raw fetch $4.4 per kilo, processed $3(shelled). So its clear that we're destroying value. Even the biggest processor and roaster, kenya nut license out roasting and packaging in UK so that they can have access to British Airways and uk market. The cartels have perfected the act of buying cheaply from farmers then smuggle out raw to make a killing because of the ban(Rumored Jungle nuts and Ruto). Already meru are protesting https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/08/17/meru-macadamia-farmers-want-to-sell-their-nuts-to-chinese_c1789706 . Arbitrary banning export of raw macadamia will not lead to value addition. The key is either helping local manufacturers to get access to international markets or inviting foreign companies to setup shop locally. But it should always be a fully liberalized sector where one  can sell to whomever they deem fit. 

[Nefertiti]

Of course infrastructure, political stability, size of market, etc affect ROI. But corruption is a big factor especially in FDI. Many studies show this, it's different from dictatorship ala China or Rwanda or Chile - which is curtailing of freedom not integrity. You rarely have a corrupt and effective leader because corruption is literally the opposite of hard work. A corrupt person believes they deserve more than their worth so they steal. Ruto would not be a first. Big gamble.

Investments are actually endangered by corruption due to poor services, difficulty to enforce contracts, theft by staff, etc. In Kenya presently, as corruption has hit the roof under Uhuruto, you can see how staff brazenly loot Uchumi, Nakumatt, Kplc, G4S, etc. A country with low corruption does not pose this real risk to business. Corruption even causes insecurity like terrorism where unvetted aliens get visas and IDs.

No, you cannot counterbalance corruption with performance. What performance would make us overlook Ruto or Jubilee's corruption? 4% growth? Kibaki did better while stealing less. I told you Ruto's performance is voodoo. Rwanda or Ethiopia grows at 10% with very little corruption and less debt. That's real performance not Ruto's 4% with historical debt. It's incorrect to compare him to Kagame - he's way subpar. Besides much better performance those countries are uniquely NOT corrupt. As you say yourself Uhuru has seen corruption as a big threat to Big 4 - why should we support corrupt Ruto?

Nobody really bring their fdi because of low corruption. It's about return on investment & safety of those investment. It possible to be a thriving corrupt country. Rwanda has it's issues..but Kagame mr-fix-it attitude and problem-solving skills akin to Ruto is what makes a nation thrives.

Rwanda is a major beneficiary of FDI - the attraction being very low corruption. With corrupt Ruto as PORK the difference between Kenya and Rwanda would be as stark as day and night.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit I would like to see examples of corruption being somehow a positive to national development. Any corrupt Tigers? Don't conflate dictatorship with corruption.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit I would like to see examples of corruption being somehow a positive to national development. Any corrupt Tigers? Don't conflate dictatorship with corruption.

There should be something like a like button.  I have seen that in quite a few forums.  Time for veri to upgrade from SMF stuff.  The point is I like this post.

[Kichwa]

Wow! Robina. You hit this one way out of the ball park. Pundit will spin anything Ruto does, including criminal behavior. He even blamed Msando for his own death because he had dinner with Anyang Nyongo.

Of course infrastructure, political stability, size of market, etc affect ROI. But corruption is a big factor especially in FDI. Many studies show this, it's different from dictatorship ala China or Rwanda or Chile - which is curtailing of freedom not integrity. You rarely have a corrupt and effective leader because corruption is literally the opposite of hard work. A corrupt person believes they deserve more than their worth so they steal. Ruto would not be a first. Big gamble.

Investments are actually endangered by corruption due to poor services, difficulty to enforce contracts, theft by staff, etc. In Kenya presently, as corruption has hit the roof under Uhuruto, you can see how staff brazenly loot Uchumi, Nakumatt, Kplc, G4S, etc. A country with low corruption does not pose this real risk to business. Corruption even causes insecurity like terrorism where unvetted aliens get visas and IDs.

No, you cannot counterbalance corruption with performance. What performance would make us overlook Ruto or Jubilee's corruption? 4% growth? Kibaki did better while stealing less. I told you Ruto's performance is voodoo. Rwanda or Ethiopia grows at 10% with very little corruption and less debt. That's real performance not Ruto's 4% with historical debt. It's incorrect to compare him to Kagame - he's way subpar. Besides much better performance those countries are uniquely NOT corrupt. As you say yourself Uhuru has seen corruption as a big threat to Big 4 - why should we support corrupt Ruto?

Nobody really bring their fdi because of low corruption. It's about return on investment & safety of those investment. It possible to be a thriving corrupt country. Rwanda has it's issues..but Kagame mr-fix-it attitude and problem-solving skills akin to Ruto is what makes a nation thrives.

Rwanda is a major beneficiary of FDI - the attraction being very low corruption. With corrupt Ruto as PORK the difference between Kenya and Rwanda would be as stark as day and night.

[RV Pundit]

Actually this very simple assignment. I will start with personal anecdote. Just this Sunday I was drinking with my uncle and bro - all of us are in transport & maize business - my bro in matatu, my uncle and I are in maize cum truck business (- and we were discussing what best crew to have - and conclusion was the best drive-turnboy- you can have is a corrupt but smart crew that although steals from you - knows how to find work (contracts, etc). The worst crew you can get is an honest bongo-lala who will just wait for you to do everything. I remember talking with another uncle who owns tractors - and he was of the same opinion - almost always the honest drivers are the most useless who'll drive you to bankruptcy.In short you've got to be really stupid not to steal when the opportunity is staring at you.. If we were talking tribal - you'd rather hire a thieving kikuyu who will make sure you both thrive - rather than honest luo who'll confine you to poverty. It more like Tanzania versus Kenya. Tanzania is an honest poor man. Kenya is thriving thief. Obviously the worst is thief who does nothing but steal - thankfully those end up in prisons pretty quickly. Lazy thieves soon get caught

Now talk of countries that have thrive with corruption...start with kenya (compare it with other sub-sahara countries).

But more important look at Chile & Indonesia. Indonesia...Suharto stole 35B dollars...my man Ruto is just at 2B..but Indonesia grew in leaps and bounds. The same is true in Chile.

Kenya want smart hardworking thief like Ruto. He'll make his money but kenya (the owner of the truck) will make even MORE. If you put a bongo-lala like Kalonzo - he'll drive the country down like Tanzania now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe Kenyans are very smart to have selected Ruto, Waiguru, Sonko and Waitutu - just like we are smart enough to hire some of most corrupt drivers to drive our busineess. Only a fool will not take care of his self-interest. That fool will drive the business and country DOWN.
 
The driver we want in Kenya is Ruto - smart, hardworking go-getter who get the job done. We will ignore that he'll be taking his cut for every deal he cut us. That is what wakes him up - it incentive to work hard for the country - he get his cuts - but country get a bigger junk of the steak. If you insist on banking every cent and watching the bottomline..you'll soon have nothing to watch. Ruto is so ambitious he'll be in office at 5am - making money for the country and getting his cut. Bongo-lala like the rest will arrive at work around lunch hour before retiring to soon for more binge drinking.

Ruto has 30 yrs of nothing but EXEMPLARY performance - be in in the party, in parliament, in cdf, as cabinet member and now as DPORK. That is what we want!

Pundit I would like to see examples of corruption being somehow a positive to national development. Any corrupt Tigers? Don't conflate dictatorship with corruption.

[RV Pundit]

Here is Suharto (who allegedly stole 35B dollars) Legacy
He brought the country back from the brink of political, social and economic calamity in the mid-1960s, dramatically reduced poverty and by the early 1990s had turned Indonesia into one of the Asian tiger economies. But he also governed with an iron fist, sending his jackbooted military into separatist-minded regions, jailing and exiling political enemies, quashing democratic institutions and the news media, and presiding over what some claim is one of the most corrupt governments in modern history.

Despite the emergence of democracy and an economic recovery in the decade since, Indonesia has not replicated the same degree of economic success it enjoyed in the heyday of the New Order.

The decline in poverty that accompanied recovery from the 1997 economic crisis was actually reversed in 2006, when cuts to fuel subsidies sent about 3.5 million people back below the poverty line, before the trend away from poverty resumed.

[Pragmatic]

How about this... Sauti Sol getting out of their comfort zone -

[hk]

pundit,

pinochet Chile and Suharto Indonesia adopted a pro growth economic policy.  indonesia https://www.indonesia-investments.com/culture/economy/new-order-miracle/item247? Chile https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/chile/president-pinochet-economy.htm . This is what led to rapid growth i.e free markets system . Not deficit spending that Jubilee has embarked on. If it wasn't for corruption Indonesia would be as wealthy as Malaysia (GDP per Capita).