Uhuru is livid

[Omollo]

The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time.  As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone.  Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.

While Raila made the deal honestly, I believe Uhuru went in as a way to renege on his commitments to Ruto. I agree with Pundit on the 3rd and 4th term plans.

[RV Pundit]

Basically the choice is either Ruto or Raila. I don't see any option they've got. If Uhuru plan is to play both Raila & Uhuru - then he will drive GEMA to huge disaster.GEMA demographics are declining - it very likely Luhyas will be biggest tribe next year census - 2022 is probably their last realistic shot at PORK. In 20yrs - Somalis will be one of biggest tribes of Kenya.

Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.

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[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time.  As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone.  Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.

While Raila made the deal honestly, I believe Uhuru went in as a way to renege on his commitments to Ruto. I agree with Pundit on the 3rd and 4th term plans.

I think 3rd term is unsellable.  My hunch is the hustler is seen as an outsider.  Kamwana needs to unravel the arrangement so they can come up with a compromise that is an insider.  I think even Kalonzo is seen as more of an insider than the hustler.

[Nefertiti]

The trouble with majimbo or any Ruto options is that he wants to be PORK. He can't whittle down PORK without messing things for himself. Unless the original plan holds it's a lose-lose for Ruto. He may have to be Raila's runningmate.

Raila tricked Uhuru he can be PM while Raila becomes PORK. Which is how trojan works.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The trouble with majimbo or any Ruto options is that he wants to be PORK. He can't whittle down PORK without messing things for himself. Unless the original plan holds it's a lose-lose for Ruto. He may have to be Raila's runningmate.

Raila tricked Uhuru he can be PM while Raila becomes PORK. Which is how trojan works.

I think the hustler has the same problem as Raila.  They cannot be trusted to NOT take independent directions that might harm the old money "establishment".

[Omollo]

As long as Government is the source of untold wealth and as long as one needs power so he can harvest of the largasse, we shall continue to see these games.

 

[Dear Mami]

I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.

[RV Pundit]

You sounds like a coward so scared of GEMA & Uhuru. There is nothing there. You don't get to position like Ruto is in through cowardice.This is it for Ruto - this is when rubber meet the road. There is no more postponing. He has to go with all he got - and at his age - he still has 20yrs to go.

I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.

[Dear Mami]

I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.

[RV Pundit]

So he gives a free pass on a referendum which essentially target his rightful "position" . The constitution is not even 10yrs old. Ruto has to fight the referendum - all the way. All of us are not invested in politics - that is why we are arguing here - not in the ground. You support Raila - and there is nothing wrong. My wish is to have Ruto transform Kenya by grabbing power and lead us like Kagame or Museveni(in his prime) or Meles Zenawi to greater heights.

I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.

[Dear Mami]

So he gives a free pass on a referendum which essentially target his rightful "position" . The constitution is not even 10yrs old. Ruto has to fight the referendum - all the way. All of us are not invested in politics - that is why we are arguing here - not in the ground. You support Raila - and there is nothing wrong. My wish is to have Ruto transform Kenya by grabbing power and lead us like Kagame or Museveni(in his prime) or Meles Zenawi to greater heights.

I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.

Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. You are the only one who still imagines that he will be on the ballot in 2022...I dont see any if his supporters even entertaining that notion. Most of us know Raila is done with competitive politics. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.

[RV Pundit]

If Uhuru find some use in Raila - he'll be resurrected. I see some convergence of interest. Both are past their sale date but want to continue being major players. Raila is approaching 80s. Uhuru would have served his two terms. Their people do not see a worth successor - kinda like Gusii lacking a Nyachae to take the mantle - so both are being edged on to keep going. That is nature of Africa politics.

Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.

[Kichwa]

Ouru is looking out for the continuation of kikuyu dominance into the foreseeable future while Ruto is nostalgic of the Moi days and wants to substitute the Kikuyu dominance with Kalenjin dominance. Raila on the other hand is looking out for a system that will work for all Kenyans to share power peacefully into the future. If both Ruto and Ouru come to the realization that both of them could lose to the other, then they may consider listening to Raila's win/win solution for Kenya.

If Uhuru find some use in Raila - he'll be resurrected. I see some convergence of interest. Both are past their sale date but want to continue being major players. Raila is approaching 80s. Uhuru would have served his two terms. Their people do not see a worth successor - kinda like Gusii lacking a Nyachae to take the mantle - so both are being edged on to keep going. That is nature of Africa politics.

Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.

[RV Pundit]

Let just says all of them are out for political power. Not just power but the ultimate power. To be the top dog.

Ouru is looking out for the continuation of kikuyu dominance into the foreseeable future while Ruto is nostalgic of the Moi days and wants to substitute the Kikuyu dominance with Kalenjin dominance. Raila on the other hand is looking out for a system that will work for all Kenyans to share power peacefully into the future. If both Ruto and Ouru come to the realization that both of them could lose to the other, then they may consider listening to Raila's win/win solution for Kenya.

[vooke]

https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2067111470211635/

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2067111470211635/

[Dear Mami]

It sounds like that clip is from last year right before the repeat election of 26th Oct.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It sounds like that clip is from last year right before the repeat election of 26th Oct.

You are right.  I was thinking it was yesterday.  vooke should be counter checking and verifying before posting.

[RV Pundit]

It given there will be tribal clashes btw kikuyu and Kalenjin if Uhuru was to sabotage Ruto 2022 plan. There is really no need to incite anybody. It is the question of what will trigger the violence. And perhaps when - and I don't see it being resolved easily - it will be another long period before trust can be re-built - so those areas of rift valley which are cosmopolitan will be facing long periods of tensions, fighting and tribal re-alignments. I believe both sides knows this. Uhuru himself will be to blame. Not sudi.

Uhuru will get the blame for triggering it and for not doing enough to protect lives & property of people. If he plans to disagree with Ruto (and Kalenjin by extension); then he ought to put in place very robust measures that can mitigate that inevietable violence.

Kalenjin blames his father for re-settling "foreigners" in their land - a resettlement they opposed ab-initio - and here will be another Kenyatta giving them a middle finger after they voted for him 3 times. Ohoo boy that will be a huge disaster for many years.