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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2018, 01:04:09 AM »
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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2018, 01:46:31 AM »
Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.

For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.

The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.

Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.

Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2018, 07:13:13 AM »
Well I see a mutually assured destruction and winner obviously is Raila.
Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.

For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.

The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.

Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.

Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2018, 10:15:58 AM »
The winner will the the one with deeper pockets
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2018, 10:20:17 AM »
if UhuRuto fight; the winner is obviously Raila. He comes back from among the dead.
The winner will the the one with deeper pockets

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2018, 10:57:14 AM »
The winner will the the one with deeper pockets

No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.

The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.

Just my two cents.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2018, 11:37:08 AM »
The first victim of uhuruto gov will be gov. It may not collapse but it will become moribund. constitution give real teeth to parliament. those teeths they have not exercised because Jubilee is the majority by far. If Ruto was to withdraw his many MPs in parliament from supporting gov - it will be chaos - budget will not even be passed - no approval of anything will go through without a huge fight -  and ministers will be spending their days in parliament and senate. Raila will come to aid of Uhuru - but he officially has 60mps - with nearly half already on Ruto retainer.Majority of MPS will be on highest bidder basis. There is a real possibility PEV may re-occur sooner than 2022 - leading to crisis akin to 2008. Ruto can't be fired as DPORK. It will be total chaos.
No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.

The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.

Just my two cents.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2018, 12:36:43 PM »
Pundit,

What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2018, 12:45:38 PM »
The first victim of uhuruto gov will be gov. It may not collapse but it will become moribund. constitution give real teeth to parliament. those teeths they have not exercised because Jubilee is the majority by far. If Ruto was to withdraw his many MPs in parliament from supporting gov - it will be chaos - budget will not even be passed - no approval of anything will go through without a huge fight -  and ministers will be spending their days in parliament and senate. Raila will come to aid of Uhuru - but he officially has 60mps - with nearly half already on Ruto retainer.Majority of MPS will be on highest bidder basis. There is a real possibility PEV may re-occur sooner than 2022 - leading to crisis akin to 2008. Ruto can't be fired as DPORK. It will be total chaos.
No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.

The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.

Just my two cents.
Pundit, I honestly believe PEV is the only thing Ruto really has in his back pocket. The law means nothing in Kenya. Uhuru can go rogue and leave Ruto out of govt without firing him and intimidate the same Judges we saw intimidated just a few months ago, and they'll fold. Politicians are the least reliable weapons one has, especially in Kenya. None of them is gonna suffer for Ruto outside RV, they are simply too selfish. If it even begins to smell like things are thick they will jump even before Uhuru says jump, no matter how much money they have eaten. That's what this band of hyenas do.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2018, 01:04:35 PM »
I note your bile against Raila - which does not surprise me since you are on record naming yourself the spokesman for "Kikuyus".

I also note your attempt to flatter Pundit by pretending to be out of sync with your tribesmen. I can grant you benefit of doubt. Perhaps you genuinely believed Moses Kuria and others who swore that they worship Ruto. Perhaps you have not heard from the Kikuyu Elders (= Read as Mama Ngina). Once you do, of course you will change your opinion and fall in line and vote for Muhoho Kenyatta.

The handshake calmed the country. The opposition has not been heard from since then. There are no demonstrations and no police killing of luos and Luhyas.

The handshake did not extend to URP wing of Jubilee. Unless you are saying Raila controls the URP wing of Jubilee, when you return please provide me with evidence of this:
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If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.

I further note your use of the modifier "silly" reveals your opinion of the handshake. You are one of those extremists who fish in troubled waters and your stock suffered when the waters calmed.

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Pundit,

What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.
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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2018, 02:55:00 PM »
The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.

Well I see a mutually assured destruction and winner obviously is Raila.
Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.

For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.

The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.

Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.

Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.
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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2018, 03:18:34 PM »
When Uhuru frustrated Kiunjuri despite dissuading him from running for governorship of Laikipia I knew immediately that he didn't intend to retire. Uhuru feel he is still young to retire. He has not allowed any succesor to emerge in GEMA which tell you the man doesn't intend to retire. That is all there is here. Murathe & company are pursuing two-prong approach - have Uhuru ran Jubilee as supreme leader - or have the constitution changed to allow for PM-President to co-exist so he can occupy.

The major causality is his gov - Ruto will not take this lying down - and unlike Raila who Uhuru has tamed -- there is a lot at stake here. This indeed is very sad turn of affairs. Uhuru has allowed his personal interest to override all interest - kikuyu be damned - esp those poor kikuyus all over rift valley who are pawn and kalenjin will obviously take their frustration on them.

Pundit,

What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2018, 03:19:45 PM »
Uhuru cannot govern in peace without Ruto and Kikuyu-Kalenjin relationship immediately head south - leading to huge crisis coming soon. Agenda 4 without Ruto doesn't exists.
The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2018, 03:47:00 PM »
Uhuru cannot govern in peace without Ruto and Kikuyu-Kalenjin relationship immediately head south - leading to huge crisis coming soon. Agenda 4 without Ruto doesn't exists.
The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.
Not that I think he's that cunning/clever but, Pundit, what if that is exactly what Kamwana is gunning for? That there will be a big PEV and he can then use the instability as an excuse to install himself as the defacto dictator ala Turkey? I'm just wondering out loud.

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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2018, 04:33:41 PM »
He wants PORK split into PORK & PM - so he can take one of them. The constitutional change from 14 elders. His group calls themselves PUTIN - they want to pull a PUTIN -MEDVED - find a way to beat the 2 term limit. Uhuru you must know is about 57yrs now. Still very young. M7 in Uganda is 73 and will ran again in 2021 for another 7yr term.
Not that I think he's that cunning/clever but, Pundit, what if that is exactly what Kamwana is gunning for? That there will be a big PEV and he can then use the instability as an excuse to install himself as the defacto dictator ala Turkey? I'm just wondering out loud.

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2018, 05:24:14 PM »
My take is that eventually GEMA will force an alliance between Ruto and Raila. Since they will steal the ensuing election out of habit, one should expect PEV. In fact the mother of all PEVs.

My suggestion is Ruto should right now do a Miguna. But the type of Miguna should be along the lines of a constitutional change to expand devolution, limit PORK powers further curtail the opportunities for stealing elections. For instance:

1. increasing the county government share of the budget to 45% and clearly defining the devolved functions;
2. Expanding the functions of the county governments
3. Expressly forbidding the National Government from duplication such as in Health
 
He wants PORK split into PORK & PM - so he can take one of them. The constitutional change from 14 elders. His group calls themselves PUTIN - they want to pull a PUTIN -MEDVED - find a way to beat the 2 term limit. Uhuru you must know is about 57yrs now. Still very young. M7 in Uganda is 73 and will ran again in 2021 for another 7yr term.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2018, 05:32:45 PM »
I like the miguna part. I think pulling the Majimbo/federalism card would be a migunasque move when it come to consitutional change. And that will get lots of popular support. Basically give Uhuru the whole BOMAS katiba. Ruto has to play smart and hard tackles..that is how SONKO played GEMA, won Nairobi and is now governing. Majimbo would endear Ruto to KANU/KADU old constituency - so it win-win.

Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.

Uhuru is playing very dangerous game with his community. Not only will they miss both PORK/DPORK - but they'll definitely be up for some beating in RV. I don't see how kalenjin will suck it up Uhuru failure to reciprocate 3 elections.

My take is that eventually GEMA will force an alliance between Ruto and Raila. Since they will steal the ensuing election out of habit, one should expect PEV. In fact the mother of all PEVs.

My suggestion is Ruto should right now do a Miguna. But the type of Miguna should be along the lines of a constitutional change to expand devolution, limit PORK powers further curtail the opportunities for stealing elections. For instance:

1. increasing the county government share of the budget to 45% and clearly defining the devolved functions;
2. Expanding the functions of the county governments
3. Expressly forbidding the National Government from duplication such as in Health
 

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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2018, 05:46:31 PM »
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The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time.  As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone.  Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.
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Re: Uhuru is livid
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2018, 05:49:14 PM »
Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.

I urge Uhuru and GEMA not to try. They would create a powerful alliance against himself. That would be the surest way to send Ruto into Raila's waiting hands and vice versa. The others like MaDvD are chokora who will eat whatever is handed down. Uhuru has one way out and that it to be honest with both Raila and Ruto.

Ruto has played them like a soloist guitar.

Uhuru/ GEMA plan was that Ruto would shut up, sit and wait until 2021 to be screwed like Wamalwa. He issued a dud cheque to him and asked him to cash it around 2022. Unfortunately Ruto decided to take the cheque to the bank immediately to find out if there is any money. He was told by the bank manager that the account was closed years ago.

Uhuru has either to put up the cash or face bankruptcy proceedings.

He wants a quick loan from Raila. Unfortunately Raila wants real collateral based on past bad experience.

GEMA have been caught lying and they are desperate.
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