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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 05:15:46 PM »
Kichwa,  Ruto has serious political mettle. Ati war with President Kenyatta while 80% of the Jubilee MPs and governers  are in his  corner. Including some CSs. Maajabu when CSs side with the DP and not the "boss". Yaani venye kina Saitoti walikunja mkia... this is new.

I wouldn't be surprised to find Tuju and most Jubilee secretariat stuffed with Ruto cronies... as the drunkard slept on the job. Uhuru needs Raila to assist him take on Ruto. Na bado haiwezi! :)
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 07:49:01 PM »
Which is why I worry for him.

GEMA has a very bad track history when it comes to individuals other than MKM President having MPs in his pocket.

Moi avoided having any MPs in his pocket or at least displaying them. He dished out some money to candidates around the country but did not parade them.

He learned from what happened to Tom Mboya who like Ruto went around the country displaying his influence. Like Ruto he cashed his inheritance quite early and started acting like he was already president.
Kichwa,  Ruto has serious political mettle. Ati war with President Kenyatta while 80% of the Jubilee MPs and governers  are in his  corner. Including some CSs. Maajabu when CSs side with the DP and not the "boss". Yaani venye kina Saitoti walikunja mkia... this is new.

I wouldn't be surprised to find Tuju and most Jubilee secretariat stuffed with Ruto cronies... as the drunkard slept on the job. Uhuru needs Raila to assist him take on Ruto. Na bado haiwezi! :)
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 07:58:31 PM »
Why are Jumwa and Dori being kicked out of parliamentary committees? They have rebelled against ODM to support Ruto. Nanok too. Kingi? These are big ODM fish. You're in denial about the precarious situation. Ruto may fight with Uhuru but we see many top GEMA still in his corner. Show me any elected Central leaders who have gone rogue on Ruto like ODM MPs are doing to Raila. Besides that the Wetas already left Raila's corner. I think Uhuru may end up with a rebellion... imagine he's PORK yet Ichung'wa, Waititu, et al - Kiambu backyard - support Ruto openly in public rallies.

Those folks have families to feed.  Debts to pay.  Raila, ODM or principle is not going to do that for them.  It's naive to imagine that their defection somehow translates to movement on the ground.  In any case it's not meaningful to try and predict where they will be a month from now, let alone 4 years down the line.  I vaguely remember Ngilu shifting alliances like twice in a span of a few months on an election year as she looked for a spot on one of the teams.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 09:07:53 PM »
I agree such strength can be weakness because the opponent schemes long and hard. I think even Uhuru's MP Moses Kuria supports Ruto :) The way Ruto has strategically placed allies - parliament, counties, cabinet, etc - indicates GEMA and Uhuru have been sleeping on the job and obsessing with Raila.

Which is why I worry for him.

GEMA has a very bad track history when it comes to individuals other than MKM President having MPs in his pocket.

Moi avoided having any MPs in his pocket or at least displaying them. He dished out some money to candidates around the country but did not parade them.

He learned from what happened to Tom Mboya who like Ruto went around the country displaying his influence. Like Ruto he cashed his inheritance quite early and started acting like he was already president.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 09:29:12 PM »
Why are Jumwa and Dori being kicked out of parliamentary committees? They have rebelled against ODM to support Ruto. Nanok too. Kingi? These are big ODM fish. You're in denial about the precarious situation. Ruto may fight with Uhuru but we see many top GEMA still in his corner. Show me any elected Central leaders who have gone rogue on Ruto like ODM MPs are doing to Raila. Besides that the Wetas already left Raila's corner. I think Uhuru may end up with a rebellion... imagine he's PORK yet Ichung'wa, Waititu, et al - Kiambu backyard - support Ruto openly in public rallies.

Those folks have families to feed.  Debts to pay.  Raila, ODM or principle is not going to do that for them.  It's naive to imagine that their defection somehow translates to movement on the ground.  In any case it's not meaningful to try and predict where they will be a month from now, let alone 4 years down the line.  I vaguely remember Ngilu shifting alliances like twice in a span of a few months on an election year as she looked for a spot on one of the teams.

Lest the main point is forgotten: the migration of the "swing regions" from Raila's to Ruto's column. A slow, sure and momentous snowball. Need I enumerate? Kalenjin, Somali & Northerners, MATUSA, Bukusu. Now the Mijikenda. Later the Gusii. All these regions had "tumbocrats" - defectors who while they did not swing entire counties, landed Jubilee a few MPs and grassroots presence hither and thither. Followership rarely flips overnight. The ODM avalanche is a rare occurrence like the solar eclipse that we are privileged to watch. It's why Kichwa's giddiness at the collapse of the Uhuruto house of cards is amusing; theirs was a coalition while ODM is a one-man guitar burning up as the oblivious guitarist plays on. :D

Alas! even some Kikuyus have defected from Uhuru to Ruto... na bado mnasema tumbocrat. :o  William Ruto has leadership. A rare political talent. Lean back and watch him unscramble this.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2018, 10:11:28 PM »
Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2018, 09:33:15 AM »
First I see you're desperately asking GEMA to assassinate Ruto :) now. Things must be very rough for ODM.  This time round - Ruto is not asking for Non-GEMA to vote a gema candidate - this time round it's Ruto asking for his vote - so expect very little resistance in areas where GEMA are not popular like coast.  I see Ruto sweeping the entire RV including Kikuyus (even if Uhuru was to mess around), of course most of northern kenya, coast, part of western -  which roughly would make him hit 40% - before any GEMA vote is cast in Mt Kenya.

Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2018, 09:46:14 AM »
You have become the Kariuki Chotara of this board.

When a researcher describes a new virus, he is, in your twisted mind, urging people to infect others with it.

On the other hand I am flattered to learn that GEMA has hired me as their adviser and perhaps take orders from me.

I was there to advise them to take out Tom Mboya.

I ordered them to take out J. M. after he scared them by paying enough MPs to vote for electoral reform amendments that reversed the 1966 draconian laws used to rig out KPU. I told GEMA it is not the mild reversal that should worry them but J.M.s control of a majority of MPs and mentioned "Vote of confidence".

You are some piece of crap.

First I see you're desperately asking GEMA to assassinate Ruto :) now. Things must be very rough for ODM.  This time round - Ruto is not asking for Non-GEMA to vote a gema candidate - this time round it's Ruto asking for his vote - so expect very little resistance in areas where GEMA are not popular like coast.  I see Ruto sweeping the entire RV including Kikuyus (even if Uhuru was to mess around), of course most of northern kenya, coast, part of western -  which roughly would make him hit 40% - before any GEMA vote is cast in Mt Kenya.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2018, 11:26:50 AM »
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2018, 11:42:40 AM »
You're all over with "assassinate " Ruto.
In other words - and I am not advocating for it - such a person can only be assassinated. Like a socialist or communist in Africa, there is no way you can remove him from power short of an internal revolt within his own organization. Ruto has a network of cells  that would make a communist envious.

My view is that if Uhuru fails to get rid of him within the next 3 months, Ruto will get rid of Uhuru faster than he can wipe his asshole.

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2018, 11:48:09 AM »
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2018, 12:01:56 PM »
I have no idea if Ruto pays you by the decibel of noise you make. You are maximizing your wages. If you want more money ask him to pay you by the number of lies and fabrications. You are clearly better on that front.

You're all over with "assassinate " Ruto.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2018, 12:21:06 PM »
Let me educate you about Kilifi. Before I do let me share some simple statistics that may help you understand:

1. Kilifi has a total of 0 (ZERO) Jubilee MPs
2. Kilifi has a total of 0 (NADA) Jubilee MCAs

Having done that let me add the following:

3. ALL politicians who associated with Jubilee lost and lost badly
4. ALL MPs who went to bed with Jubilee were banished
5. Politicians associated with Jubilee can only hold political rallies with heavy police and para military presence.

Jubilee is aware of this and fears using high handed tactics in Kilifi for fear of extending the Lamu problem to Kilifi. The locals know that too and Aisha Jumwa can continue opening her legs for Ruto but she can kiss goodbye to a political seat in Kilifi. She may well not complete her term. That is Kilifi not Machakos.

Please date the video as you wish. One thing is clear: You got the message.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2018, 01:44:40 PM »
Their mps do sure come cheap.Amason kingi is thinking of her own giriama party.Ruto has bought their leaders for cheap...from lunga lunga to vanga
Let me educate you about Kilifi. Before I do let me share some simple statistics that may help you understand:

1. Kilifi has a total of 0 (ZERO) Jubilee MPs
2. Kilifi has a total of 0 (NADA) Jubilee MCAs

Having done that let me add the following:

3. ALL politicians who associated with Jubilee lost and lost badly
4. ALL MPs who went to bed with Jubilee were banished
5. Politicians associated with Jubilee can only hold political rallies with heavy police and para military presence.

Jubilee is aware of this and fears using high handed tactics in Kilifi for fear of extending the Lamu problem to Kilifi. The locals know that too and Aisha Jumwa can continue opening her legs for Ruto but she can kiss goodbye to a political seat in Kilifi. She may well not complete her term. That is Kilifi not Machakos.

Please date the video as you wish. One thing is clear: You got the message.

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2018, 07:58:35 PM »
Babu is toying with the idea of picking Giddy as his running mate
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2018, 09:07:50 PM »
Silly. Ruto cannot be challenged in Kalenjin, we know this empirically from 2013 & 17 when he was a mere DP. Raila must play kingmaker to a GEMA-Luhya ticket to stand a chance. I doubt his gigantic bruised ego can allow it. 

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2018, 09:12:08 PM »
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.

Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2018, 09:40:56 PM »
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Pundit why would such a charged crowd be asking her to GO last year?
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2018, 10:41:01 AM »
From the t-shirts - they look like Mtengo supporters - Aisha was battling him for Malindi MP with Mtengo - after leaving the Kilifi women rep seat. I'd date this to last year
Pundit why would such a charged crowd be asking her to GO last year?

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2018, 10:43:10 AM »
That is Omollo. Nothing get btw him and a short term "point" - so he'll invent & create stories - that of course lack logical coherence & consistent - and hence all those contradictions.
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.