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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »

Pundito, very soon Raila/odm/luos will be the least of your problems.

1) The split between Ruto and Ouru is no longer just a rumor as you had hoped. Its real and uthamaki is coming after Ruto in full force.

2) Get used to the fact that there is no official opposition party in Kenya anymore until we fix the electoral system or come up with a new form of government that makes sense.

3)ODM/Raila will not play the role of opposition. Anybody who want to criticize the government can do so and anybody who want to support the government can also do so but it is not a job anymore. 

Retire as ODM leader and NASA - I think he already did that - it's upon MaDVD/Kalonzo and others to step up the plate and do the job of making sure gov is kept in check - both within parliament and outside parliament. Wira ni wira. People should do their opposition job. Miguna Miguna is doing it pro-bono - and it would be nice if he can get paid like Raila from treasury to do that.
Restire from what? Raila does not occupy any constitutional office. He is free to spend his time as he wishes and talking about what he wishes. But if I were close to him I would advise him to say nothing at all. Just give lectures. Let Kenyans themselves fight for their own futures, its the only way lasting change happens. Otherwise leaving it to a few people to do it for you, why? Nope. If its ok then its ok and we should accept it as part of our society like Termi says. Evidence driven fight. Who shall collect this evidence? Like I said, if we are comfortable with it then we are confortable with it. Theres no point of useless noise.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2018, 03:02:23 PM »
Ruto already inherited ODM lock, stock and barrel. Okay we will leave the barrel (Luos) for Raila. You see at this stage - GEMA (Uhuru) will soon be begging Ruto to make them DP. That is how just incredibly resourced and hardworking Ruto has managed to own the country. Ruto has support from entire Rift Valley (even kikuyus there will go rogue if Uhuru tries games); part of western; northern kenya, coast and now even Gusii are warming up. He is accessible, generous and cares for people who matters - so any gema upstart who wants to start a war - ohoo boy - he'll get knocked out with first punch.

Anyway I don't think Uhuru has the stomach for a political fight - he clearly told Raila that much and ended the referendum drama - so he'll just pick his girlfriend Waiguru to deputize Ruto - and possibly his son Muhoho will join politics - to continue the kenyatta legacy of stealing.

And apart from lacking the energy for the fight - Uhuru like any other politician is very corrupt -- you know he ate the whole 10% of SGR alone :) That is a lot of money - Ruto wanted to eat too with DL(David Lagat) - Wanjigi wanted it too - but when Uhuru took it whole - Ruto was smart enough to look for smaller deals - while Wanjigi threw a tantrum.


Pundito, very soon Raila/odm/luos will be the least of your problems.

1) The split between Ruto and Ouru is no longer just a rumor as you had hoped. Its real and uthamaki is coming after Ruto in full force.

2) Get used to the fact that there is no official opposition party in Kenya anymore until we fix the electoral system or come up with a new form of government that makes sense.

3)ODM/Raila will not play the role of opposition. Anybody who want to criticize the government can do so and anybody who want to support the government can also do so but it is not a job anymore. 

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2018, 03:14:31 PM »
Ok Pundit.  I know you know the writing is on the wall but you have to put up a brave face for Ruto until the evidence is overwhelming. Uthamaki cannot let Ruto be president because if they do, Ruto will finish them-that's a fact. Another thing, Ruto has bought individuals from every village but that does not mean those people will stand by him when he gets into trouble.  As for now, si we just wait and see.


Ruto already inherited ODM lock, stock and barrel. Okay we will leave the barrel (Luos) for Raila. You see at this stage - GEMA (Uhuru) will soon be begging Ruto to make them DP. That is how just incredibly resourced and hardworking Ruto has managed to own the country. Ruto has support from entire Rift Valley (even kikuyus there will go rogue if Uhuru tries games); part of western; northern kenya, coast and now even Gusii are warming up. He is accessible, generous and cares for people who matters - so any gema upstart who wants to start a war - ohoo boy - he'll get knocked out with first punch.

Anyway I don't think Uhuru has the stomach for a political fight - he clearly told Raila that much and ended the referendum drama - so he'll just pick his girlfriend Waiguru to deputize Ruto - and possibly his son Muhoho will join politics - to continue the kenyatta legacy of stealing.

And apart from lacking the energy for the fight - Uhuru like any other politician is very corrupt -- you know he ate the whole 10% of SGR alone :) That is a lot of money - Ruto wanted to eat too with DL(David Lagat) - Wanjigi wanted it too - but when Uhuru took it whole - Ruto was smart enough to look for smaller deals - while Wanjigi threw a tantrum.


Pundito, very soon Raila/odm/luos will be the least of your problems.

1) The split between Ruto and Ouru is no longer just a rumor as you had hoped. Its real and uthamaki is coming after Ruto in full force.

2) Get used to the fact that there is no official opposition party in Kenya anymore until we fix the electoral system or come up with a new form of government that makes sense.

3)ODM/Raila will not play the role of opposition. Anybody who want to criticize the government can do so and anybody who want to support the government can also do so but it is not a job anymore. 
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2018, 03:21:34 PM »
I think you're engaged in delusional thinking as usual; Ruto has deal with Uhuru; that he is the only man he respect; Uthamaki doesn't exist; Uhuru will make a deal for Uhuru come 2022 - and knowing Uhuru he will go for least path of resistance - he cannot extend his term limit - that require cojones - so my bet is he'll put his proxy as Ruto PORK and continue being powerful as Jubilee Party Leader.  His orphans (call them Uthamaki) who want to continue eating post-2022 will try to pressure him to extend his rule but Uhuru knows kenyans have no time for such shenagians.

But we shall see..and we can review how far Raila got with his handshake..so far like I told you Raila was going nowhere except as roving ambassador/envoy..that is what Ruto wanted and that is what he got. And way you continue understimating Ruto every year and getting beaten 10-nil.

Ok Pundit.  I know you know the writing is on the wall but you have to put up a brave face for Ruto until the evidence is overwhelming. Uthamaki cannot let Ruto be president because if they do, Ruto will finish them-that's a fact. Another thing, Ruto has bought individuals from every village but that does not mean those people will stand by him when he gets into trouble.  As for now, si we just wait and see.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2018, 03:33:24 PM »
 
Anyway I don't think Uhuru has the stomach for a political fight - he clearly told Raila that much and ended the referendum drama - so he'll just pick his girlfriend Waiguru to deputize Ruto - and possibly his son Muhoho will join politics - to continue the kenyatta legacy of stealing.

And apart from lacking the energy for the fight - Uhuru like any other politician is very corrupt -- you know he ate the whole 10% of SGR alone :) That is a lot of money - Ruto wanted to eat too with DL(David Lagat) - Wanjigi wanted it too - but when Uhuru took it whole - Ruto was smart enough to look for smaller deals - while Wanjigi threw a tantrum.
This is just what I don't understand. How can Uhuru even be so greedy when his family already stole more than enough? Some things only God can understand, I swear. I know enough people who were saying in 2012/3 ati Uhuru won't steal coz he doesn't need to. Apparently, he's the biggest thief of them all. It's not just that he's allowing his thugs to steal...noooo. He actually tops them all. Somethings are just amazing.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2018, 03:35:24 PM »
Remember when I told you that the 10 year each deal was bad for Ruto/kalenjins?  Uthamaki is real and they are not stupid to trust Ruto to protect them. Last but not least, Ouruto legacy right now is corruption.  I do not think Ruto will survive that legacy and become president. Ouru has to cleanse himself of that legacy.  The only way he can do that is to sacrifice Ruto.  Ruto atanyolewa bila maji and he needs to start putting soap and water on his head to make it as painless as ever.  If I were him, I would make a deal with Ouru-resign and keep some of his wealth.

I think you're engaged in delusional thinking as usual; Ruto has deal with Uhuru; that he is the only man he respect; Uthamaki doesn't exist; Uhuru will make a deal for Uhuru come 2022 - and knowing Uhuru he will go for least path of resistance - he cannot extend his term limit - that require cojones - so my bet is he'll put his proxy as Ruto PORK and continue being powerful as Jubilee Party Leader.  His orphans (call them Uthamaki) who want to continue eating post-2022 will try to pressure him to extend his rule but Uhuru knows kenyans have no time for such shenagians.

But we shall see..and we can review how far Raila got with his handshake..so far like I told you Raila was going nowhere except as roving ambassador/envoy..that is what Ruto wanted and that is what he got. And way you continue understimating Ruto every year and getting beaten 10-nil.

Ok Pundit.  I know you know the writing is on the wall but you have to put up a brave face for Ruto until the evidence is overwhelming. Uthamaki cannot let Ruto be president because if they do, Ruto will finish them-that's a fact. Another thing, Ruto has bought individuals from every village but that does not mean those people will stand by him when he gets into trouble.  As for now, si we just wait and see.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2018, 03:41:53 PM »
Greed for money is insatiable and the more one has the more one wants.  Its called the primitive acquisition of wealth. Ouru new he had to become the president at all costs to protect himself just as he did with the ICC and that is why the server cannot be opened. Right now Ruto  has to be sacrificed first because he is not as protected as Ouru.

Anyway I don't think Uhuru has the stomach for a political fight - he clearly told Raila that much and ended the referendum drama - so he'll just pick his girlfriend Waiguru to deputize Ruto - and possibly his son Muhoho will join politics - to continue the kenyatta legacy of stealing.

And apart from lacking the energy for the fight - Uhuru like any other politician is very corrupt -- you know he ate the whole 10% of SGR alone :) That is a lot of money - Ruto wanted to eat too with DL(David Lagat) - Wanjigi wanted it too - but when Uhuru took it whole - Ruto was smart enough to look for smaller deals - while Wanjigi threw a tantrum.
This is just what I don't understand. How can Uhuru even be so greedy when his family already stole more than enough? Some things only God can understand, I swear. I know enough people who were saying in 2012/3 ati Uhuru won't steal coz he doesn't need to. Apparently, he's the biggest thief of them all. It's not just that he's allowing his thugs to steal...noooo. He actually tops them all. Somethings are just amazing.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2018, 04:20:39 PM »
Legacy is the least concern of Uhuru or Raila or Ruto. Making more and more money & having political power post-2022 is what interest him. That is what politician in Kenya really want. And I think Ruto has the best proposal in town...Uhuru spends nearly zero in 2022 campaign, Uhuru proxy continues as DPORK and he continues to wield power as Jubilee party leader advising Ruto. It cost him nothing. Fighting Ruto...Uhuru knows first hand is a stupid move.
Remember when I told you that the 10 year each deal was bad for Ruto/kalenjins?  Uthamaki is real and they are not stupid to trust Ruto to protect them. Last but not least, Ouruto legacy right now is corruption.  I do not think Ruto will survive that legacy and become president. Ouru has to cleanse himself of that legacy.  The only way he can do that is to sacrifice Ruto.  Ruto atanyolewa bila maji and he needs to start putting soap and water on his head to make it as painless as ever.  If I were him, I would make a deal with Ouru-resign and keep some of his wealth.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2018, 04:23:01 PM »
Politics is expensive. The amount of money he lost in ICC and in campaigning in 2002 till now is MASSIVE. Mama Ngina maybe spent more than 10B the last decade and so when Uhuru brought back 30B hard cold cash from Chinese - that was good investment. That is what politics really is about in Africa. It's business. People ran for MCA or MPS - invest a lot of money knowing they'll recoup and if they don't - it huge hit on them.

Raila after he saw what politics did to Jaramogi doesn't want to invest - yet our politics is just money money money - and that is probably why he is not PORK. Someone like Ruto massively invest and recoup his investment. Some of our top politician spend more than 10M daily!

This is just what I don't understand. How can Uhuru even be so greedy when his family already stole more than enough? Some things only God can understand, I swear. I know enough people who were saying in 2012/3 ati Uhuru won't steal coz he doesn't need to. Apparently, he's the biggest thief of them all. It's not just that he's allowing his thugs to steal...noooo. He actually tops them all. Somethings are just amazing.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2018, 07:47:30 PM »
Kichwa kweli. Ati Uhuru will arrest Ruto for corruption. :( That's the joke of the week. It's so naive I hope you're pulling our leg. We can't predict 100% that Ruto will be PORK but we can predict he'll not be arrested for corruption. Starting with the charade going on today about fighting it.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2018, 08:22:08 PM »
I think you are deliberately NOT straight shooting because straight shooting does  not work well for Ruto here. Legacy is not important if you have not made the kind of money Uhuru has.  Uhuru needs legacy more than money at this point because that is how old money survive.  He needs legacy to keep the Kenyattaa brand going. Raila also understands the benefits of legacy because he is a beneficiary.  Legacy like a brand is worth more money.  Ruto is not in the same league. Ruto needs to become president first and rule for at least 5 years before he starts thinking of legacy.

The reason why Ouru and Ruto have to go to war is because they are organized like criminal gangs or crime families.  Ruto has his own crime family and Ouru has his. They are all operating in the same territory and going after the same criminal proceeds and that is why the fight between the two crime families is inevitable.  There is no way these two crime families can be merged now because they have grown too big and independent. Ruto's criminal enterprise will have to be destroyed.  There is no way Ouru's crime family will let Ruto come into the presidency with his crime family intact. If they do, their first order of business will be to destroy ouru's crime family because there is no room for the two to survive and if not for fear of Raila, Ouru would not have let Ruto build such an elaborate independent criminal enterprise. We want Raila to stay out of the way so that the two crime families can sort each other out. We will have to deal with whomever wins but right now I think Raila is betting on Uthamaki to win. Its a good bet because Uthamaki has the political power and can use the legal system to clip Ruto's wings. Also, Uthamaki has more more money and experience. Ruto is also making a strong argument that if he wins he will tame Uthamaki, but Uthamaki already knows that and they will go down fighting.  Ruto can walk over to Ouru and surrender, but if he does, uthamaki will make to demands that if Ruto accepts, he will be completely emasculated. As Termie once said, the best thing that can happen to Ruto now is Ouru having a massive heart attack right now- the kind his father had. History rarely repeats itself that perfectly.


Legacy is the least concern of Uhuru or Raila or Ruto. Making more and more money & having political power post-2022 is what interest him. That is what politician in Kenya really want. And I think Ruto has the best proposal in town...Uhuru spends nearly zero in 2022 campaign, Uhuru proxy continues as DPORK and he continues to wield power as Jubilee party leader advising Ruto. It cost him nothing. Fighting Ruto...Uhuru knows first hand is a stupid move.
Remember when I told you that the 10 year each deal was bad for Ruto/kalenjins?  Uthamaki is real and they are not stupid to trust Ruto to protect them. Last but not least, Ouruto legacy right now is corruption.  I do not think Ruto will survive that legacy and become president. Ouru has to cleanse himself of that legacy.  The only way he can do that is to sacrifice Ruto.  Ruto atanyolewa bila maji and he needs to start putting soap and water on his head to make it as painless as ever.  If I were him, I would make a deal with Ouru-resign and keep some of his wealth.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2018, 08:37:41 PM »
That's not the way its done. They will clip his wings first by destroying his political/ criminal enterprise which he uses to amass a lot of wealth from the government and business.  This will require arresting some of Ruto's consiglieries and capos and shutting down some of their most lucrative enterprises.  The idea is to completely emasculate him so that he cannot win the elections in 2022. However, if he proves too powerful then he can also be arrested, forced to flee or the Saitoti model may be applied. This kind of thing is usually done much earlier but Ouru is lazy and a drunk and therefore he let Ruto grow too big. Idealy Ouru should have finished Ruto much earlier and picked a different DP in 2017.  Ruto can also throw in the towel, forgo the presidency and live comfortably for the rest of his life like they wanted Raila to do. Ruto's best scenario is Ouru dying in office before 2022.

Kichwa kweli. Ati Uhuru will arrest Ruto for corruption. :( That's the joke of the week. It's so naive I hope you're pulling our leg. We can't predict 100% that Ruto will be PORK but we can predict he'll not be arrested for corruption. Starting with the charade going on today about fighting it.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2018, 08:59:41 PM »
kichwa I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your desperate appeal to Uhuru.You know UhuRuto are finishing Raila and you dont like it.Ruto is and will always be co president.Uhuru has had long working relationship and all the politics he learnt from Ruto.The man cannot start attacking his master.Its time for our own Meles Zenawi to rise...brilliant, decisive, hardworking go gotter can only get better..I really pity anybody who wants to take Ruto.They should save their money like the Mois eventually realized.Now Ruto has everything he ever needed to make a stamp...the man rans parliament and senate and half the gov.Ruto doesnt sleep or joke around.His parrallel intelligence probably beats NIS.Save for death..nothing can stop ascending PORK.The 52yrs old is the chosen one.I can bet my last dollar that this Raila handshake idea was Ruto...someone who works for Ruto parrallel intelligence was regaling to me how PK was recently played..the guy was to ran for Muranga governor and he would have been a real threat...but he was tricked to ran in Nairobi with tacit backing from uhuru with understanding sonko would bury him alive..ended up with miguna at 2%.Ruto learned so many tricks from Moi.MaDVD was played 10 nil and later Wamalwa coopted.Ultimately nothing just happens..people like Ruto make it happen.Raila by time he wakes up would already be dead n buried in bondo.Now youre betting your future on some undefined uthamaki...give it a face.Beyond the basics there are spies, double agents and guys paid to confuse n misadvice you.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2018, 09:16:35 PM »
No argument there. Right on spot.  However, this is why you must take my theory seriously.  This acquisition of wealth requires a criminal network/enterprise akin to Mafia. To his credit, Ruto has build an admirable criminal enterprise within such a short time, but he only managed to do that because uthamaki slept on the job because they were probably focusing too much on Raila and afraid that if they interfered with Ruto, he may have derailed them in 2017.  Now that Ouru has his presidency in place, he can now focus on Ruto. You cannot have these two big criminal enterprises operating at the same time.  Its not good for politics and the economy. One of them therefore has to go and surely it cannot be Uthamaki.

Politics is expensive. The amount of money he lost in ICC and in campaigning in 2002 till now is MASSIVE. Mama Ngina maybe spent more than 10B the last decade and so when Uhuru brought back 30B hard cold cash from Chinese - that was good investment. That is what politics really is about in Africa. It's business. People ran for MCA or MPS - invest a lot of money knowing they'll recoup and if they don't - it huge hit on them.

Raila after he saw what politics did to Jaramogi doesn't want to invest - yet our politics is just money money money - and that is probably why he is not PORK. Someone like Ruto massively invest and recoup his investment. Some of our top politician spend more than 10M daily!

This is just what I don't understand. How can Uhuru even be so greedy when his family already stole more than enough? Some things only God can understand, I swear. I know enough people who were saying in 2012/3 ati Uhuru won't steal coz he doesn't need to. Apparently, he's the biggest thief of them all. It's not just that he's allowing his thugs to steal...noooo. He actually tops them all. Somethings are just amazing.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2018, 10:57:54 PM »
Raila to setup task force to deal with corruption..sorry he could not listen to yall as usual he had to wade in with his vitendawili task force....Some one need to tell this guy to go away.

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« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2018, 12:04:13 AM »
I did not expect you to take a different position than to show a brave face,  but you better pray he wins this battle because if he does not then "our own Meles Zelewi/Kagame " will be still born.

kichwa I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your desperate appeal to Uhuru.You know UhuRuto are finishing Raila and you dont like it.Ruto is and will always be co president.Uhuru has had long working relationship and all the politics he learnt from Ruto.The man cannot start attacking his master.Its time for our own Meles Zenawi to rise...brilliant, decisive, hardworking go gotter can only get better..I really pity anybody who wants to take Ruto.They should save their money like the Mois eventually realized.Now Ruto has everything he ever needed to make a stamp...the man rans parliament and senate and half the gov.Ruto doesnt sleep or joke around.His parrallel intelligence probably beats NIS.Save for death..nothing can stop ascending PORK.The 52yrs old is the chosen one.I can bet my last dollar that this Raila handshake idea was Ruto...someone who works for Ruto parrallel intelligence was regaling to me how PK was recently played..the guy was to ran for Muranga governor and he would have been a real threat...but he was tricked to ran in Nairobi with tacit backing from uhuru with understanding sonko would bury him alive..ended up with miguna at 2%.Ruto learned so many tricks from Moi.MaDVD was played 10 nil and later Wamalwa coopted.Ultimately nothing just happens..people like Ruto make it happen.Raila by time he wakes up would already be dead n buried in bondo.Now youre betting your future on some undefined uthamaki...give it a face.Beyond the basics there are spies, double agents and guys paid to confuse n misadvice you.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2018, 08:15:20 AM »
Kichwa is hilarious. What he won't mention is how Raila is "stepping aside" while he is here spilling the big secret. In the meantime ODM is NDP - as Ruto hives off KADU. When Kingi, Jumwa and Nanok openly support Ruto something is really wrong with this "stepping aside". I think Handshake is designed to smoothen these final knivings. If there was an actual war there would be no Raila to negotiate with for the winner. He would be at Kalonzo level.

Reminds me of Musalia "Messi" Madvd - who thought he can pitia kati kati and beat Raila and Uhuru - by claiming he is a safe pair of hands. Before that UhuRuto played Kalonzo like a kid - sending him on shuttle diplomacy and whatnot to do their bidding - before they dumped him. He wound up as Raila runningmate after bashing each other for 5 years  :)

The Luo are really desperate to see power switch again from the Kikuyu to the Kalenjin - going 60+ years - and have conjured an opium story of Kalenjin-Kikuyu civil war. I'm told there are many Ruto-bashing kamukunjis - Kisumu, Msa, Jevanjee and every town square - organized by Luos. This won't end well. There will be many delusions, tantrums, riots and deaths - as folks scream at the speeding train - before and after Ruto is sworn in.

kichwa I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your desperate appeal to Uhuru.You know UhuRuto are finishing Raila and you dont like it.Ruto is and will always be co president.Uhuru has had long working relationship and all the politics he learnt from Ruto.The man cannot start attacking his master.Its time for our own Meles Zenawi to rise...brilliant, decisive, hardworking go gotter can only get better..I really pity anybody who wants to take Ruto.They should save their money like the Mois eventually realized.Now Ruto has everything he ever needed to make a stamp...the man rans parliament and senate and half the gov.Ruto doesnt sleep or joke around.His parrallel intelligence probably beats NIS.Save for death..nothing can stop ascending PORK.The 52yrs old is the chosen one.I can bet my last dollar that this Raila handshake idea was Ruto...someone who works for Ruto parrallel intelligence was regaling to me how PK was recently played..the guy was to ran for Muranga governor and he would have been a real threat...but he was tricked to ran in Nairobi with tacit backing from uhuru with understanding sonko would bury him alive..ended up with miguna at 2%.Ruto learned so many tricks from Moi.MaDVD was played 10 nil and later Wamalwa coopted.Ultimately nothing just happens..people like Ruto make it happen.Raila by time he wakes up would already be dead n buried in bondo.Now youre betting your future on some undefined uthamaki...give it a face.Beyond the basics there are spies, double agents and guys paid to confuse n misadvice you.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2018, 08:32:31 AM »
Kichwa there is actually not enough space for both Ruto and Raila who have been fighting for non-GEMA since 2002 - which you project to the Kikuyu. One has to die. Nature of the beast. The only "criminal enterprise" being disbanded is ODM :D

I know it's painful to watch as Ruto pushes Raila to the cliff. It's okay to sing a song. Very entertaining.
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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2018, 01:34:09 PM »
They will get there eventually - Ruto ought not to stop until Raila is six feet deep politically. Raila will attempt everything on sunset days - right now he is basically a Jubilee youth winger :)
Kichwa is hilarious. What he won't mention is how Raila is "stepping aside" while he is here spilling the big secret. In the meantime ODM is NDP - as Ruto hives off KADU. When Kingi, Jumwa and Nanok openly support Ruto something is really wrong with this "stepping aside". I think Handshake is designed to smoothen these final knivings. If there was an actual war there would be no Raila to negotiate with for the winner. He would be at Kalonzo level.

Reminds me of Musalia "Messi" Madvd - who thought he can pitia kati kati and beat Raila and Uhuru - by claiming he is a safe pair of hands. Before that UhuRuto played Kalonzo like a kid - sending him on shuttle diplomacy and whatnot to do their bidding - before they dumped him. He wound up as Raila runningmate after bashing each other for 5 years  :)

The Luo are really desperate to see power switch again from the Kikuyu to the Kalenjin - going 60+ years - and have conjured an opium story of Kalenjin-Kikuyu civil war. I'm told there are many Ruto-bashing kamukunjis - Kisumu, Msa, Jevanjee and every town square - organized by Luos. This won't end well. There will be many delusions, tantrums, riots and deaths - as folks scream at the speeding train - before and after Ruto is sworn in.

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Re: Raila should be silent on current corruption manenos
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2018, 03:56:29 PM »
C'mon Pundit, I know you know I am right. Let me try again. Its a well known  political fact all over the world that you do not let your VP grow too big because they stand to gain the most if you die in office. Even Obama got nervous when Biden started hiring political operatives that a VP usually do not need and asked him to cut it out.  Uthamaki knows this very well given the way they treated Moi and the way they started cutting down Raila even before Kibaki was sworn in 2002. Kibaki then picked the dying Wamalwa and the old Awori to the VP post. The only reason why they let Ruto grow this big is because they needed Kalenjin vote and the fear that an aggrieved Ruto would team up with   Raila and the ICC manenos.  Now that ICC manenos are no longer an issue and Raila has shook hands with them,  they really do not need Ruto and they have to finish him or emasculate him. Look at the way they are chipping down on him in RV with the Maize manenos and the Keter's are getting bolder. Who do you think is sponsoring them.

Uthamaki knows that if Ruto becomes president, he will do the same or worse to them. There is therefore nothing good that Ruto's presidency can be to Uthamaki. Ruto can ran around putting together another KADU but we already know there are no free and fair elections in Kenya. Raila has spent a fortune and won elections three times and he is not president. Ruto is therefore wasting time and resources running around trying to "win" elections.

Ruto's only path to the presidency is Ouru dying in office. I am sure Ouru is well aware of this and he is taking all kinds of precautions with his security, helicopters, and what and where he eats because he knows what Ruto is capable of.

They will get there eventually - Ruto ought not to stop until Raila is six feet deep politically. Raila will attempt everything on sunset days - right now he is basically a Jubilee youth winger :)
Kichwa is hilarious. What he won't mention is how Raila is "stepping aside" while he is here spilling the big secret. In the meantime ODM is NDP - as Ruto hives off KADU. When Kingi, Jumwa and Nanok openly support Ruto something is really wrong with this "stepping aside". I think Handshake is designed to smoothen these final knivings. If there was an actual war there would be no Raila to negotiate with for the winner. He would be at Kalonzo level.

Reminds me of Musalia "Messi" Madvd - who thought he can pitia kati kati and beat Raila and Uhuru - by claiming he is a safe pair of hands. Before that UhuRuto played Kalonzo like a kid - sending him on shuttle diplomacy and whatnot to do their bidding - before they dumped him. He wound up as Raila runningmate after bashing each other for 5 years  :)

The Luo are really desperate to see power switch again from the Kikuyu to the Kalenjin - going 60+ years - and have conjured an opium story of Kalenjin-Kikuyu civil war. I'm told there are many Ruto-bashing kamukunjis - Kisumu, Msa, Jevanjee and every town square - organized by Luos. This won't end well. There will be many delusions, tantrums, riots and deaths - as folks scream at the speeding train - before and after Ruto is sworn in.
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