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Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« on: November 03, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »
Jubilee will be damned to take the bait

But they have a penchant for blowing their feet off so they may just end up panicking and cracking down on the discourse hardening it and sucking others into it...
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 04:30:53 PM »
Watch how moronic Jubilee will respond to Coast
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 06:16:02 PM »
mitchgan:
STATEMENT ON INTENT TO PURSUE SELF DETERMINATION

Today the coast political leadership has held a consultative meeting in which it has been resolved to initiate the process of self determination of the coastal peoples using all legal means, both local and international.

We wish to state that since independence, successive governments have marginalized and to date continue to marginalize and oppress our people. Therefore, such governments have no moral authority to govern us. It is no longer feasible for us as a people to continue in a country that does not recognize our aspirations as legitimate.

We therefore wish to announce the beginning of the consultative process towards secession of the Coast region. Ali Hassan Joho
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 07:06:58 PM »
Good luck to them. I doubt the governors of Lamu, Kwale and Taita Taveta will play ball.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 09:24:00 PM »
Watch how moronic Jubilee will respond to Coast

Couldn't they wait for the other regions or are they going rogue?  Coast is very strategic.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 09:28:41 PM »
Watch how moronic Jubilee will respond to Coast

Couldn't they wait for the other regions or are they going rogue?  Coast is very strategic.

They jumped gun for sure.
Only Turkana and Coastline counties can pretend to have any form of leverage
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 10:10:29 PM »
Watch how moronic Jubilee will respond to Coast

Couldn't they wait for the other regions or are they going rogue?  Coast is very strategic.

They jumped gun for sure.
Only Turkana and Coastline counties can pretend to have any form of leverage

Why only those two?  Don't you see Western as crucial to trade with Uganda?
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 10:10:44 PM »
I think this is the best way to go... I find this route very viable because once Pwani is able to break away from Central dictatorial republic Ukambani region will be able to break away and join them, then Somali land, then samburu and Turkana region then finally western and Nyanza region.  Kajiado and Narok may go either way.

Watch how moronic Jubilee will respond to Coast

Couldn't they wait for the other regions or are they going rogue?  Coast is very strategic.

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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 10:50:57 PM »
Divorce Now!  Uhurustan is a zero sum game that only fools will hitch their carriage to.

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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 03:09:08 AM »
Divorce Now!  Uhurustan is a zero sum game that only fools will hitch their carriage to.

It would allow the tyrannically oriented to really wallow in those numbers.  The tyranny could be increased to 100%.  And they wouldn't have to keep inventing elaborate rigging schemes to keep it going.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 04:01:24 AM »
Once uhuru get sworn in expect him to nip this nonsense in the bud

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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 04:35:25 AM »
How?  For the first time ouruto has no control over this one.  What Arap Mashamba failed to understand is that certain things have diminishing returns such as buying the electoral body and cause it to  create a super majority in the parliament and then to destroy the judiciary. The only thing ourutto can do now is to ask his supporters to counter demonstrate, or to counter boycott  which will be even better because it will plunge the economy further into abyss and accelerate their failure as leaders. To us ouru today will be no different from ouru sworn in after the sham elections which he "won" by 98%. Ouru is completely inconsequential as far as we are concerned.

Once uhuru get sworn in expect him to nip this nonsense in the bud
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2017, 09:19:58 AM »
How?  For the first time ouruto has no control over this one.  What Arap Mashamba failed to understand is that certain things have diminishing returns such as buying the electoral body and cause it to  create a super majority in the parliament and then to destroy the judiciary. The only thing ourutto can do now is to ask his supporters to counter demonstrate, or to counter boycott  which will be even better because it will plunge the economy further into abyss and accelerate their failure as leaders. To us ouru today will be no different from ouru sworn in after the sham elections which he "won" by 98%. Ouru is completely inconsequential as far as we are concerned.

Once uhuru get sworn in expect him to nip this nonsense in the bud

Odingas withdrawal, avoidance of Parliament and the courts has effectively neutered the thieving bastards.  Like you say, the only option is to ask jubilidiots to counter demonstrate.

Ati once he's sworn in... The msa folks looked sombre and serious with what they were announcing.

The People's assemblies have jubilidiots shaking.  Power to the people and not the fake majorities and compromised institutions.

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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 11:11:20 AM »
There's nothing here for Uhuru to nip in the bud. It's self defeating. The more radical the more divisive.

The thing with politics and business is to stay detached. Don't overinvest or buy into voodoo else you end up feeling betrayed. What will happen when the other coast counties - perhaps even Turkana, Ukambani and western - refuse to join? What's Governor Mvurya's or Mutua's opinion on this new vision? MRC has already rejected the politicians' late entry into the party.

Heck, even Orengo doesn't buy into his own nonsense. I saw him in the Siaya High Court saying the Rasanga election was free, fair and credible. :D
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2017, 11:59:51 AM »
Pretty easy.MRC treatment.Throw joho and kingis into jail and crush their balls.A weekend or two for treason.Possibly suspend county gov and appoint caretaker as constitution empowers uhuru.

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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2017, 12:41:43 PM »
Pretty easy.MRC treatment.Throw joho and kingis into jail and crush their balls.A weekend or two for treason.Possibly suspend county gov and appoint caretaker as constitution empowers uhuru.


Which part of the constitution allows kamwana to suspend a county government?
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2017, 01:27:56 PM »
Pretty easy.MRC treatment.Throw joho and kingis into jail and crush their balls.A weekend or two for treason.Possibly suspend county gov and appoint caretaker as constitution empowers uhuru.


Which part of the constitution allows kamwana to suspend a county government?

PORK can dissolve a county government with the Senate's approval. This is a popular clause that has just been invoked on the Catalans. In crisis the federal state can overrule the national - even in the UK and probably in the US too.  It's a legal but politically silly move as we are seeing in Spain.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2017, 03:18:42 PM »
More like easier said than done.  This thing is not going to end.  We aren't gonna get tired. Time is on our side. Give us more reasons to do more peaceful demos for the release of our heroes and heroines by arresting them.

Pretty easy.MRC treatment.Throw joho and kingis into jail and crush their balls.A weekend or two for treason.Possibly suspend county gov and appoint caretaker as constitution empowers uhuru.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2017, 06:08:05 PM »
Pretty easy.MRC treatment.Throw joho and kingis into jail and crush their balls.A weekend or two for treason.Possibly suspend county gov and appoint caretaker as constitution empowers uhuru.


Which part of the constitution allows kamwana to suspend a county government?

PORK can dissolve a county government with the Senate's approval. This is a popular clause that has just been invoked on the Catalans. In crisis the federal state can overrule the national - even in the UK and probably in the US too.  It's a legal but politically silly move as we are seeing in Spain.

I haven't had any luck finding this in the constitution.
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Re: Secession is a mere bargaining chip...
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2017, 06:23:22 PM »
How?  For the first time ouruto has no control over this one.  What Arap Mashamba failed to understand is that certain things have diminishing returns such as buying the electoral body and cause it to  create a super majority in the parliament and then to destroy the judiciary. The only thing ourutto can do now is to ask his supporters to counter demonstrate, or to counter boycott  which will be even better because it will plunge the economy further into abyss and accelerate their failure as leaders. To us ouru today will be no different from ouru sworn in after the sham elections which he "won" by 98%. Ouru is completely inconsequential as far as we are concerned.

Once uhuru get sworn in expect him to nip this nonsense in the bud

The jubilant feels he has one ace at his disposal.  The coercive instruments of the state.  As long as actions are taken where such instruments are rendered irrelevant, there is going to be a lot of angst in that crowd.
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