Chebukati Goes to Court

[vooke]

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

Keep waiting.  As long you understand you don't get to manufacture facts out of thin air.

[vooke]

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

Keep waiting.  As long you understand you don't get to manufacture facts out of thin air.

[Kichwa]

If Chebukati was in control, he would have read the decision and interpreted it a long time ago.  Its the in fighting and insubordination by Jubilee moles in the commission who are undermining him and causing him to seek the courts opinion.  It would be much better if the commissioners are declared partisans appointed by political parties and therefore we do not have people claiming that they are neutral and yet they are controlled like dummies by WSR.

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

Keep waiting.  As long you understand you don't get to manufacture facts out of thin air.

[vooke]

If Chebukati was in control, he would have read the decision and interpreted it a long time ago.  Its the in fighting and insubordination by Jubilee moles in the commission who are undermining him and causing him to seek the courts opinion.  It would be much better if the commissioners are declared partisans appointed by political parties and therefore we do not have people claiming that they are neutral and yet they are controlled like dummies by WSR.

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

Keep waiting.  As long you understand you don't get to manufacture facts out of thin air.

The courts contradicted themselves.

 Chebu is not a moron, he is qualified to be a SCOK judge and he followed Kiai Case to the letter only for SCOK who never read or comprehended the case to blurt out gibberish

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If Chebukati was in control, he would have read the decision and interpreted it a long time ago.  Its the in fighting and insubordination by Jubilee moles in the commission who are undermining him and causing him to seek the courts opinion.  It would be much better if the commissioners are declared partisans appointed by political parties and therefore we do not have people claiming that they are neutral and yet they are controlled like dummies by WSR.

34As are the currency of this election.  Not 34B. 

None of that changes the fact that 34Bs was all there.

The import of 34As and 34Bs will be determined by Chebu petition. IEBC can work with either or even a concoction of both as SCOK directs

That NEITHER of that made it to the final judgement is clear

Yes.  And yet a lie remains a lie.

Point remains, it was unproven as much as was rigging claims

Debunked yes.  By Chiloba's letter.  Don't fight facts.  You lose every time.

Keep waiting.  As long you understand you don't get to manufacture facts out of thin air.

I think there might be some areas of uncertainty with respect to what he is supposed to do with 34As and 34Bs.  What is not uncertain is that without those forms, whatever he is supposed to do with them remains impossible.  The jubilant will of course want to use this uncertainty to taint the material finding that the election was a farce.

[bryan275]

I think there might be some areas of uncertainty with respect to what he is supposed to do with 34As and 34Bs.  What is not uncertain is that without those forms, whatever he is supposed to do with them remains impossible.  The jubilant will of course want to use this uncertainty to taint the material finding that the election was a farce.

I'm still lost as to why the Jubilidiot thinks there's room for ambiguity in the Kiai decision when all it was serving was to ensure that results as read at the polling station were final as indeed they should be.

Why (in the absence of rigging) would anyone want to change the results from what's declared at the polling station.  Heck all they need to count is a max of 700 votes minus any no shows etc.

This "confusion" is a sideshow not worth the bandwidth being wasted on it..

[Nefertiti]

Windy, a few months ago, posed a comment on the last laugh that I thought to be profound.

[Nefertiti]

To Kichwa et al

On the commissioners thing, besides that vettings and the entire process would be required, what would be the point in replacing them? The thrust in your argument is their lack of independence or neutrality. Seeing they are months-old, would fresh faces not simply be corrupted and become Ruto's marionettes too? The appointment process is the same unless you do a somersault and demand changes to the IEBC Act. IPPG.

[Kichwa]

All we are saying is that there are several concerns about Chebukati because of his suspicious behavior during the announcement of the "winner" and after the SCOK decision. At the announcement, he hurriedly and sloppily made the announcement without all the 34A's and even in the 34C's, some constituencies were missing and just before making the announcement Akombe found out for him that the 34c he was going to announce from was not even signed by anybody.   Chebukati ideally should have been publicly livid that his read-only account was used 10,000 times without his knowledge to enter the server and  to delete, download and upload forms. He should have threatened to resign if Chiloba stayed.   The public would have rallied around him like they did around Maraga. He would have therefore been very credible if he assured the country a free and fair elections. Nobody is asking for his removal but he needs to grow some balls.

To Kichwa et al

On the commissioners thing, besides that vettings and the entire process would be required, what would be the point in replacing them? The thrust in your argument is their lack of independence or neutrality. Seeing they are months-old, would fresh faces not simply be corrupted and become Ruto's marionettes too? The appointment process is the same unless you do a somersault and demand changes to the IEBC Act. IPPG.

[vooke]

I'm still lost as to why the Jubilidiot thinks there's room for ambiguity in the Kiai decision when all it was serving was to ensure that results as read at the polling station were final as indeed they should be.

Why (in the absence of rigging) would anyone want to change the results from what's declared at the polling station.  Heck all they need to count is a max of 700 votes minus any no shows etc.

This "confusion" is a sideshow not worth the bandwidth being wasted on it..

Again, Chebu is as competent as any SCOK Judge yet when he followed Kiss case to the letter, SCOK faulted him.

Chebu is no Jubilee by any stretch if imagination.

The question is which between 34A and 34B should be used to generate the final results?

[bryan275]

I'm still lost as to why the Jubilidiot thinks there's room for ambiguity in the Kiai decision when all it was serving was to ensure that results as read at the polling station were final as indeed they should be.

Why (in the absence of rigging) would anyone want to change the results from what's declared at the polling station.  Heck all they need to count is a max of 700 votes minus any no shows etc.

This "confusion" is a sideshow not worth the bandwidth being wasted on it..

Again, Chebu is as competent as any SCOK Judge yet when he followed Kiss case to the letter, SCOK faulted him.

Chebu is no Jubilee by any stretch if imagination.

The question is which between 34A and 34B should be used to generate the final results?

Chebukati's hurried declaration of the loser the winner is what led to the scok decision.  There has to be a responsibility on his part to check, and verify that the declaration was correct before making it.  A highly qualified individual such as this does not need the law to direct his behaviour.

The obvious conclusion drawn from jubilee tears is that chebukati was cajoled into announcing uhuru the winner,  falsely believing that the declaration was irreversible regardless of the major fraud underpinning it.
Common sense says that the aggregate of forms 34As is the primary document due to its proximity to the ballots.  In a sterile environment, aggregate forms 34A=Aggregate forms 34B=form 34 C.  Simples.

I think self examination is key here.

[vooke]

Chebukati's hurried declaration of the loser the winner is what led to the scok decision.  There has to be a responsibility on his part to check, and verify that the declaration was correct before making it.  A highly qualified individual such as this does not need the law to direct his behaviour.

The obvious conclusion drawn from jubilee tears is that chebukati was cajoled into announcing uhuru the winner,  falsely believing that the declaration was irreversible regardless of the major fraud underpinning it.
Common sense says that the aggregate of forms 34As is the primary document due to its proximity to the ballots.  In a sterile environment, aggregate forms 34A=Aggregate forms 34B=form 34 C.  Simples.

I think self examination is key here.

You don't get it.
Aggregate form 34B was pronounced final, and was to be relied upon in generating 34C while at the same time raw 34A was declared final.

So Chebu collects 34Bs and is banned form secondguessing them against nothing, including their source (34A) what was he supposed to do?

[Nefertiti]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

[vooke]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

Robina,
Missing 34Bs is totally inexcusable but it was just a claim/allegation that Chebu disputed,and NASWA never pursued further. Only missing 34As expressly directed SCOK because IEBC agreed/accepted to these charges.

[Nefertiti]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

Robina,
Missing 34Bs is totally inexcusable but it was just a claim/allegation that Chebu disputed,and NASWA never pursued further. Only missing 34As expressly directed SCOK because IEBC agreed/accepted to these charges.

What do you make of the bogus 34C?

[vooke]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

Robina,
Missing 34Bs is totally inexcusable but it was just a claim/allegation that Chebu disputed,and NASWA never pursued further. Only missing 34As expressly directed SCOK because IEBC agreed/accepted to these charges.

What do you make of the bogus 34C?

It was not bogus, just lacked security features which I think are redundant given the next to nil likelihood of forging it. I mean it is prepared last,and by a very small team so....

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

Robina,
Missing 34Bs is totally inexcusable but it was just a claim/allegation that Chebu disputed,and NASWA never pursued further. Only missing 34As expressly directed SCOK because IEBC agreed/accepted to these charges.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

[vooke]

vooke doesn't get that even the 34B were not all in. The singular 34C had no watermark or serial number. A fake 34C... or was it botched by NASA too?

The only unpleasant fact is missing 34Bs never made it to the judgement