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EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« on: September 25, 2017, 02:18:43 PM »
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/DCI-EACC-Supreme-Court-registrar-probe/1056-4110856-5p04d1z/index.html

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 02:31:52 PM »
Oooooh what a waste of time?  Meanwhile corruption is reign supreme in that shithole

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 02:37:38 PM »
They will face some legal obstacles. Subiri utaona
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 02:42:28 PM »
Meanwhile arse scratching electoral riggers are freely walking around shouting and screaming at people.

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 02:42:55 PM »
I am sure. What does the law says about election materials. I think sealed ballot boxes are protected but forms are not. They can be examined with a court order.
They will face some legal obstacles. Subiri utaona

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 03:09:36 PM »
The material is in the custody of the court. 

It is not a walk into a toilet to begin to investigate the Third Arm of the Government. They would need to obtain a court order to access the material and obviously many parties would be interested in being heard. If they go ahead kifua mbele, they will be stopped by a court order awaiting a full hearing. Let see how it plays out. I have a feeling this will backfire on Uhuru
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 03:16:17 PM »
Pundit

There is something that you are overlooking in your hurry to throw Nyaikai under the bus.

For it to be established that the proper forms were before the court, the IEBC would have to open the servers. Are they now ready to do that?
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 03:19:33 PM »
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:07 PM »
Obviously I use only logic to determine where this should lead us. I don't think Nyakai is at fault. I blame IEBC. They are the source of CERTIFIED copies at SCOK and Original forms that were examined under supervision of Nyakai. That to me is where investigation is needed.

It should be pretty easy. These forms originates from ROs. They've been flagged. We know say Nyali or Likoni had issues. Summon the RO. Let him explain the difference. That should give us the clues.

Chiloba admits that originals were messed up during printing.

As for servers - I don't think Jubilee has ever objected to it being opened. Open them today.


Pundit

There is something that you are overlooking in your hurry to throw Nyaikai under the bus.

For it to be established that the proper forms were before the court, the IEBC would have to open the servers. Are they now ready to do that?

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 03:23:17 PM »
That is how you intend to change them?

That again will not work -- kindly reapply logic again. It still proves that the IEBC failed.

Obviously I use only logic to determine where this should lead us. I don't think Nyakai is at fault. I blame IEBC. They are the source of CERTIFIED copies at SCOK and Original forms that were examined under supervision of Nyakai. That to me is where investigation is needed.

It should be pretty easy. These forms originates from ROs. They've been flagged. We know say Nyali or Likoni had issues. Summon the RO. Let him explain the difference. That should give us the clues.

Chiloba admits that originals were messed up during printing.

As for servers - I don't think Jubilee has ever objected to it being opened. Open them today.


Pundit

There is something that you are overlooking in your hurry to throw Nyaikai under the bus.

For it to be established that the proper forms were before the court, the IEBC would have to open the servers. Are they now ready to do that?
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 03:32:59 PM »
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the streamed results were sent electronically and following the Elections (General) Regulations, 2017 as well as the directions by the Court of Appeal in the case of The Independent Electoral & Boundaries Commission (IEBC) v. Maina Kiai & 5 Others, Civil Appeal No. 105 of 2017; [2017] eKLR and that the results in all 290 constituencies were conclusively tallied, collated and announced.
[24] Fifth, that there was no legal requirement that the 1st Respondent ought to avail Forms 34A to any presidential candidate for verification.Lastly, that the application and prayer for leave to file additional affidavits is a fishing exercise to help the Petitioners engage in a wild goose chase for information only meant to affirm their bias and conspiracy theories and that their hacking of systems claims have been discredited by experts.
That, therefore, the application ought to be dismissed with costs.
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 03:33:45 PM »
I think evidence gathered will lead us to where we need. We need to resolve Njoki claim that certified copies were signed, stamped and had serial numbers - and Nyakai claims that original were not signed, not stamped and had no serial numbers. This is serious matter that Judiciary should also internally investigate unless they are compromised.

If ROs are guilty - they should go to court for presenting fake or forged papers. If they damage the original secure form 34Bs during printing - they should explain how & where they got the new "originals".
If the guys in charge of securing IEBC warehouse or store are guilty - they should be charged.
If the Registar did her own thing - she is in hot soup.

Obviously there is implicit fraud here and hence criminal investigation has to start.

That is how you intend to change them?

That again will not work -- kindly reapply logic again. It still proves that the IEBC failed.

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 03:46:53 PM »
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2017, 03:53:36 PM »
Meanwhile the SCOK ruled on September 1, 2017 that illegalities were committed on 8/8 and the DPP has been drugging his feet in commencing a comprehensive investigation on IEBC and yet they are so quick to launch one on Nyakai. The DPP's excuse that he was waiting for the decision was lame because he had enough probable cause to begin a comprehensive investigation without any pre-conceptions.  It just goes to show how "independent" these so called Independent institutions are when we have a corrupt incumbent like Ouru and the high priest of corruption-Ruto.

 What we need is a comprehensive investigations on the transmission of the 2017 elections which will include the servers, the forms and the ballots.  Unfortunately Ouru and Ruto will never allow for anything good to happen to this country so long as it does not/or may not favor them.

That is how you intend to change them?

That again will not work -- kindly reapply logic again. It still proves that the IEBC failed.

Obviously I use only logic to determine where this should lead us. I don't think Nyakai is at fault. I blame IEBC. They are the source of CERTIFIED copies at SCOK and Original forms that were examined under supervision of Nyakai. That to me is where investigation is needed.

It should be pretty easy. These forms originates from ROs. They've been flagged. We know say Nyali or Likoni had issues. Summon the RO. Let him explain the difference. That should give us the clues.

Chiloba admits that originals were messed up during printing.

As for servers - I don't think Jubilee has ever objected to it being opened. Open them today.


Pundit

There is something that you are overlooking in your hurry to throw Nyaikai under the bus.

For it to be established that the proper forms were before the court, the IEBC would have to open the servers. Are they now ready to do that?
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 04:08:24 PM »
Meanwhile the SCOK ruled on September 1, 2017 that illegalities were committed on 8/8 and the DPP has been drugging his feet in commencing a comprehensive investigation on IEBC and yet they are so quick to launch one on Nyakai. The DPP's excuse that he was waiting for the decision was lame because he had enough probable cause to begin a comprehensive investigation without any pre-conceptions.  It just goes to show how "independent" these so called Independent institutions are when we have a corrupt incumbent like Ouru and the high priest of corruption-Ruto.

 What we need is a comprehensive investigations on the transmission of the 2017 elections which will include the servers, the forms and the ballots.  Unfortunately Ouru and Ruto will never allow for anything good to happen to this country so long as it does not/or may not favor them.


I would not bother with ballots.  Whatever the state of the vote was on that day, it was captured on the forms.  If the ballots have been tampered with we have the record.  That is the whole point of having records in the first place.  That is why when you check your account balance, you don't also demand to touch, feel and count the filthy currency bills.

Meanwhile IEBC is determined to plough ahead without explaining to the world why they had problems with the forms transmission and why anybody should believe they will do better this time round.
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 04:11:00 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2017, 04:24:51 PM »
The nervousness is obvious. Everyone and their grandmother knows Uhuru won it fair and square. Therefore way forward is full inquiry. Open the servers. Scrutinize the forms. Open the ballots.Let find out who screwed up and why. And of course go for repeat election just confirm again that Uhuru won fair and square.

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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2017, 04:25:59 PM »
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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2017, 04:29:36 PM »
Meanwhile the SCOK ruled on September 1, 2017 that illegalities were committed on 8/8 and the DPP has been drugging his feet in commencing a comprehensive investigation on IEBC and yet they are so quick to launch one on Nyakai. The DPP's excuse that he was waiting for the decision was lame because he had enough probable cause to begin a comprehensive investigation without any pre-conceptions.  It just goes to show how "independent" these so called Independent institutions are when we have a corrupt incumbent like Ouru and the high priest of corruption-Ruto.

 What we need is a comprehensive investigations on the transmission of the 2017 elections which will include the servers, the forms and the ballots.  Unfortunately Ouru and Ruto will never allow for anything good to happen to this country so long as it does not/or may not favor them.


I would not bother with ballots.  Whatever the state of the vote was on that day, it was captured on the forms.  If the ballots have been tampered with we have the record.  That is the whole point of having records in the first place.  That is why when you check your account balance, you don't also demand to touch, feel and count the filthy currency bills.

Meanwhile IEBC is determined to plough ahead without explaining to the world why they had problems with the forms transmission and why anybody should believe they will do better this time round.

That would be true until we discover that the 11k dodgy form 34Bs are just that, dodgy and do not reflect the events on the material day and are infact doctored/forgeries to fit a certain narrative advanced by JEBC.


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Re: EACC & CID to investigate Supreme Court Registar
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2017, 04:31:49 PM »
There was an elaborate handover of the originals witnessed by ALL the parties. It is described in the Registrar's report prepared and signed by ALL the agents. It is my belief that unless the IEBC took them back (which is possible but I will find out) then the forms are still at the court.

The chances that ALL the agents got it wrong but Njoki was right is simply made in Utopia.

Pundit, this is so laughable that you would imagine anybody is panicking. The frivolous accusations against the Registrar are based on tribal bigotry partly because unlike Shollei, she refused to be bribed. This is revenge.

Uhuru through Muhoro and his gay lover at EACC can investigate IEBC. The war against the Registrar is a waste of time. Read her report
[pdf]http://www.judiciary.go.ke/portal/assets/filemanager_uploads/A%20-%20Presidential%20Petitions%202017/Rulings/Registrar%20Scrutiny%20Report%20Pursuant%20to%20the%20Orders%20of%20the%20Supreme%20Court%20of%20Kenya%2029082017.pdf[/pdf]
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