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Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« on: September 23, 2017, 04:54:05 PM »
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ureport/article/2001255365/new-drama-supreme-court-registrar-accused-of-serving-judges-with-wrong-papers-from-iebc

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 05:10:43 PM »
It's either IEBC or SCOK registar that fed Judges with wrong info. I believe a full INQUIRY into this is called for. I am glad the elections materials have been kept and this issues will be revisited. NIS and Uhuru clearly can find out what went on. Reading Njoki decision leave one with one conclusion...how comes certified copies differ with the ORIGINALS?

I believe anybody found guilty including SCOK judges should be charged with highest treason offence available.

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 06:01:42 PM »
Let's get ready for the use of other "independent" bodies to fight the SCOK for doing its job.  I am not buying it any other way.
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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 06:58:05 PM »
And when are we seeing the contents of the servers?  First they rig, got caught, they tried to compromise the bench, contaminated the evidence and now the want the judges investigated.

Thieving bastards

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 07:16:04 PM »
Kilo kumi, Dp Ruto right hand man..so let me get this Right the registrar gave judges forged forms except Nokia ndugu?  Seems like kalenjin mafia have descended on Scok ready to rip it a part. Failed coup must be stinging really bad.

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 07:27:19 PM »
Kilo kumi, Dp Ruto right hand man..so let me get this Right the registrar gave judges forged forms except Nokia ndugu?  Seems like kalenjin mafia have descended on Scok ready to rip it a part. Failed coup must be stinging really bad.

It's actually hilarious that the registrar is being accused of forgery by the electoral fraudsters.


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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 07:45:07 PM »
I would not put it past kalenjin mafia to print new forms and replace those forms that had errors or njoki nugu just plainly lied. This matter is worth investigation so we can catch the thieves.  Electoral theft by kalenjin mafia might have been Godsend to collect what's wrong with this country. Remember in one swoop we are dealing with all branches of the government.  No where to hide.
Kilo kumi, Dp Ruto right hand man..so let me get this Right the registrar gave judges forged forms except Nokia ndugu?  Seems like kalenjin mafia have descended on Scok ready to rip it a part. Failed coup must be stinging really bad.

It's actually hilarious that the registrar is being accused of forgery by the electoral fraudsters.



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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 07:49:48 PM »
Kilo kumi, Dp Ruto right hand man..so let me get this Right the registrar gave judges forged forms except Nokia ndugu?  Seems like kalenjin mafia have descended on Scok ready to rip it a part. Failed coup must be stinging really bad.

Nokia Ndungu in her dissenting fart basically accused the registrar of lying.  Nobody, not even Ojwang, could find room for it in his dissenting ramblings.  I don't see this raising eyebrows about anyone but Nokia's state of mind.  Only in jubilant universe would the word of one partisan carry any weight against the rest of the SCOK.
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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 09:44:57 PM »
It's either IEBC or SCOK registar that fed Judges with wrong info. I believe a full INQUIRY into this is called for. I am glad the elections materials have been kept and this issues will be revisited. NIS and Uhuru clearly can find out what went on. Reading Njoki decision leave one with one conclusion...how comes certified copies differ with the ORIGINALS?

I believe anybody found guilty including SCOK judges should be charged with highest treason offence available.
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 09:56:19 PM »
It's either IEBC or SCOK registar that fed Judges with wrong info. I believe a full INQUIRY into this is called for. I am glad the elections materials have been kept and this issues will be revisited. NIS and Uhuru clearly can find out what went on. Reading Njoki decision leave one with one conclusion...how comes certified copies differ with the ORIGINALS?

I believe anybody found guilty including SCOK judges should be charged with highest treason offence available.
I recall a part of the report saying that the JEBC for speed and convinience  opted to use the previously submitted forms.  I'll rreread the report to see if I can find it.

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 09:57:39 PM »
Kilo kumi, Dp Ruto right hand man..so let me get this Right the registrar gave judges forged forms except Nokia ndugu?  Seems like kalenjin mafia have descended on Scok ready to rip it a part. Failed coup must be stinging really bad.

Nokia Ndungu in her dissenting fart basically accused the registrar of lying.  Nobody, not even Ojwang, could find room for it in his dissenting ramblings.  I don't see this raising eyebrows about anyone but Nokia's state of mind.  Only in jubilant universe would the word of one partisan carry any weight against the rest of the SCOK.

Her monologue was part of the overall electoral fraud. 

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 12:24:41 AM »
This is a futile debate.

The court was faced with:
1. Election materials including form 34
2. Computer / Electornic "material" following its own ruling to an interlocutary application

The court (including Ojwang and Njoki) agreed on the basis of analysis with all parties canvassing the matter before a ruling was made:
Raila (his agents)
Uhuru (His agents)
IEBC (Its agents)
Chebukati (his agents)
Would examine the forms and the computers
The registrar (with full powers as a jugde empowered to make rulings) would supervise
ALL parties agreed on an MO
Their objectiions and observations would be recorded
Parties NOT allowed to present further submissions on the matter ( something harshly implemented against Orengo and Ngatia later)

The report was presented SIGNED by all the parties with their observations.

What I need to hear is that Uhuru's agents (so far the IEBC has not made any accusations) signed the report knowing it to be false!

On whether the IEBC forms were substituted with fakes: How come the agents did not raise that point? It would have been simple to say "we cannot proceed, these are not the forms we presented!

Note that the IEBC handed forms to the petitioners and the respondents as well as interested parties! Only one party is making silly claims! That means the IEBC hadned fake forms to all the others but gave Uhuru and Ndungu clean forms! Give me a break!

Back to the proceedure:

The rules of evidence confine the judges to the registrars report compiled by the parties. The areas and issues that are contentious would ordinarily be canvassed in court and perhaps experts brought in to elucidate. In matters of forhery which is contested especially handwriting (which was not pursued) two experts are required - a handwriting expert and a forgery expert. Only those two can testify on the authenticity of a handwriting or forgery thereof.

A judge may be a forensic scientist but cannot employ his or her knowledge to testify on exhibits! He can order an examination or re-examination but has avenue for offering own opinion. He can ask questions and frame them based on his expertise the answers of which would elucidate the issue he found.

The reason is simple; to prevent the mixing of roles where a judge becomes a witness.

Njoki is guilty of gross misconduct. Her purported examination of the forms is problematic:

1, Her findings are not subject to interrogation, verification, confirmation, testing by the parties and she cannot avoid accusations of bias.
2. It violates the procedure and rulings earlier made by the full court where they were all to depend on the joint report

This is a transparent attempt to undermine the SCOK. In the end it is Njoki who will pay a heavy price. The Registrar has enough evidence to dispel the smear on her reputation. Njoki would then have to show how she got the clean papers!

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2017, 09:13:06 AM »
Omollo still selling your nonsense as always

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Re: Iebc have corrected "mistakes" cited at supreme court hearing
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 09:13:51 AM »
It seems we might have public inquiry