Form 34A or 34B, Which is Final?

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 Case  to be determined on Tuesday 17th 1130H

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

following not understanding Kiai Case

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

What are 32Bs?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

What are 32Bs?

A typo.  It should say Kiai does not forbid him from tallying and verifying 34As against 34Bs. 

NTC and CTC both receive copies of transmitted 34As.  Chebukati and CTC could compare their respective copies of 34As for differences, existence etc.  If they check out, CTC is allowed to include them in their tally.  Chebukati could also give a green light to CTCs to transmit their tally.  This is one workflow that can allow him to verify 34As for purposes of creating correct 34Bs, make himself useful and still satisfy Kiai.

[vooke]

Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

What are 32Bs?

A typo.  It should say Kiai does  forbid him from tallying and verifying 34As against 34Bs. 

It cannot be denied that the Chairperson of the appellant has a significant constitutional role under Sub- Article (10) of Article 138 as the authority with the ultimate mandate of making the declaration that brings to finality the presidential election process. Of course before he makes that declaration his role is to accurately tally all the results exactly as received from the 290 returning officers country-wide, without adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing any number contained in the two forms from the constituency tallying centre. If any verification or confirmation is anticipated, it has to relate only to confirmation and verification that the candidate to be declared elected president has met the threshold set under Article 138(4), by receiving more than half of all the votes cast in that election; and at least twenty- five per cent of the votes cast in each of more than half of the counties.

NTC and CTC both receive copies of transmitted 34As.  Chebukati and CTC could compare their respective copies of 34As for differences, existence etc.  If they check out, CTC is allowed to include them in their tally.  Chebukati could also give a green light to CTCs to transmit their tally.  This is one workflow that can allow him to verify 34As for purposes of creating correct 34Bs, make himself useful and still satisfy Kiai.

Morbid nonsense. Chebu generates 34B and then sends them to CTC to declare before sending them back.

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Yes, there are court rulings and all.  Then there is IEBC caught up in old habits and on that basis believing their hands(and especially Chebukati's) are tied.  That somehow Chebukati is barred from knowing and even directing that lower level.

What I am saying is, NTC need not see itself as something different from CTC.  They both receive the same set of 34As(ideally at more or less the same time).  If they can work together then Chebukati can even give the go ahead for CTCs to complete their 34Bs once he is satisfied they have all the 34As they need.

NB:Looks like there is a problem with the forum(database error).

You have to completely forget about how things were done prior to Kiai.  Throw it out.  Pretend it never existed.  Then look afresh at the laws.  NTC and CTC would then be set up under these new circumstances.  The point I am trying to get across is that part of the confusion stems from ingrained habits.  The workflow, in the mind of Chebukati(and yours too) remain the same as pre-Kiai, even though that is not the optimal way to implement the law.

Chebu obeyed Kiai Case, no verification. If you watched the clips I shared yesterday and the SCOK judgement, they either are dumb or were too casual to appreciate what Kiai case did away with...explains why they charged Chebu with failure to verify

You are trying to beat SCOK at obfuscation because it hurts absolving Chebu..ok!

That partly explains your problem with the whole question.  Conflating Chebu's confusion for vindication.  Ignorantia juris non excusat.

The court found him, correctly, guilty of that.  His latest foray back to SCOK for an advisory, confirms he did not do it.  That he did not know how to do it is no excuse.

Fixed that for ya.

Kiai did not forbid Chebukati and NTC from working in concert with CTC to verify.

CTC verification is final....no idea what concerts and Mozart mean

Yes.  It is final.  In concert with means together with.

And your concert is plain silly. NTC tallies and then sends the forms to CTC for signing

Admittedly Chebukati shares your limited imagination.  Blame the ingrained habit I mention earlier on this thread.

Kiai limited his imagination. Not that he was hired to hallucinate. He was hired to follow the laws

What are 32Bs?

A typo.  It should say Kiai does  forbid him from tallying and verifying 34As against 34Bs. 

It cannot be denied that the Chairperson of the appellant has a significant constitutional role under Sub- Article (10) of Article 138 as the authority with the ultimate mandate of making the declaration that brings to finality the presidential election process. Of course before he makes that declaration his role is to accurately tally all the results exactly as received from the 290 returning officers country-wide, without adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing any number contained in the two forms from the constituency tallying centre. If any verification or confirmation is anticipated, it has to relate only to confirmation and verification that the candidate to be declared elected president has met the threshold set under Article 138(4), by receiving more than half of all the votes cast in that election; and at least twenty- five per cent of the votes cast in each of more than half of the counties.

NTC and CTC both receive copies of transmitted 34As.  Chebukati and CTC could compare their respective copies of 34As for differences, existence etc.  If they check out, CTC is allowed to include them in their tally.  Chebukati could also give a green light to CTCs to transmit their tally.  This is one workflow that can allow him to verify 34As for purposes of creating correct 34Bs, make himself useful and still satisfy Kiai.

Morbid nonsense. Chebu generates 34B and then sends them to CTC to declare before sending them back.

He does that in your limited imagination. 

Chebukati and CTC could compare their respective copies of 34As for differences, existence etc.  If they check out, CTC is allowed to include them in their tally.

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Many have  noticed that IEBC  is very decisive and fast to make up their minds when the decision favors their masters in Jubilee but very slow and acts confused when they believe that the right decision is not going to give Jubilee an unfair advantage. Its almost as if Jubilee has a right to unfair advantage because of the Kalenjins and the kikuyus came together and other Kenyans should appreciate their "benevolent dictatorship".

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Many have  noticed that IEBC  is very decisive and fast to make up their minds when the decision favors their masters in Jubilee but very slow and acts confused when they believe that the right decision is not going to give Jubilee an unfair advantage. Its almost as if Jubilee has a right to unfair advantage because of the Kalenjins and the kikuyus came together and other Kenyans should appreciate their "benevolent dictatorship".

Substantiate your rant with an example