Isaac Ruto rejoins DiMob

[bryan275]

This is probably a good thing.  Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics.  Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.

I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...

[Kichwa]

You can call it desperation and they can call it money coming in. Why does it bother you so much. Sometimes you make silly arguments just to say something.

Actually it is a very good idea to ask supporters to support the campaign as is common in mature democracies.  Supporters must be allowed to own the movement and the best way to feel part of a movement in this day and age is contribute towards its funding.  Politicians who are fighting on behalf of the people should not use their own monies even when they are rich.  NASA should continue urging wanaichi to chip in as little as 10/- so that they can be part of the movement.  The jubilee government is making sure that big international donors cannot fund NASA while Jubilee has unlimited access to state and stolen resources including monies being sent back into Kenya from stolen swiss accounts.  NASA does not need even half of what Jubilee will spend but it is better to get that money directly from the people of Kenya than jubilees stolen monies from the peoples of Kenya.

The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them

Correct.
But soliciting funds this late suggests desperation. They should have allowed or invited raia to fund them from after the primaries

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

This is probably a good thing.  Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics.  Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.

I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...

He subscribes to the mantra that man cannot live on principles alone.  The experience must have been harsh these last few months.  Now he can go back to drinking his tea from a thermos.

[Kichwa]

I agree, fighting a sitting corrupt government needs balls made of steel. Imagine what Raila went through with all the national and international media coming down on him to concede or lose his legacy but he held on and the entire country is now benefiting from his ability to remain steadfast under a hail of fire.  IR buckled immediately and you do not need such people because the road to Canaan is still rigged with ID's, sea and land mines that can go off any time. 

This is probably a good thing.  Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics.  Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.

I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I agree, fighting a sitting corrupt government needs balls made of steel. Imagine what Raila went through with all the national and international media coming down on him to concede or lose his legacy but he held on and the entire country is now benefiting from his ability to remain steadfast under a hail of fire.  IR buckled immediately and you do not need such people because the road to Canaan is still rigged with ID's, sea and land mines that can go off any time. 

This is probably a good thing.  Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics.  Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.

I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...

I admire Raila for that.  With his current stature, he could just fold and join the eating party in a big way.  But he has not, to his credit.  Kalonzo has surprised me the most.  A former Moi insider, he has demonstrated a spine I did not expect him to have.

[GeeMail]

Kalonzo is indeed a surprise but lso are Madvd and Weta. The greatest asset for NASA now is the ability to stay the course. Everybody knows what size of carrot failed to secure the SCOK majority so you can't ask for any less.

[Kadame7]

I agree, fighting a sitting corrupt government needs balls made of steel. Imagine what Raila went through with all the national and international media coming down on him to concede or lose his legacy but he held on and the entire country is now benefiting from his ability to remain steadfast under a hail of fire.  IR buckled immediately and you do not need such people because the road to Canaan is still rigged with ID's, sea and land mines that can go off any time. 

This is probably a good thing.  Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics.  Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.

I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...

I admire Raila for that.  With his current stature, he could just fold and join the eating party in a big way.  But he has not, to his credit.  Kalonzo has surprised me the most.  A former Moi insider, he has demonstrated a spine I did not expect him to have.

This is why all that nusu mkate eagerness really bothers me. I don't want him to form a nusu mkate anything for anything. I'm sure Uhuru would be happy to give Raila 100 billion plus just to kill the headaches, constant whistleblowing, political uncertainty all the time. They have a big problem with him because they know he doesn't play ball. Which makes him dangerous. Everone else has folded eventually but he never has. And while he has a gazillion faults, I am confident of his basic good will for the country.

[GeeMail]

I asked myself what value IR adds. Looking across the country the place Jubilee could have harvested was Kisii but that has been overturned and locked. Coast is even worse. Narok is the only place Kongi's harvest can be gotten. All other places were already MOASSED.

[Kichwa]

The trick is NOT to be scared of the numbers psychological warfare that has been waged against the opposition ever since the Kalenjin/Kikuyu marriage. What sustain that numbers argument is corruption-stealing and bribery. Without the stealing, bribery, intimidation and killings, that numbers argument cannot be sustained just like we saw with the SCOK.  The justices refused to take bribes or to be intimidated and the numbers argument could not stand the process argument.  Our own RV Pundit is the chief priest of the fake numbers argument and that is why I ignore his fake math.   

Kalonzo is indeed a surprise but lso are Madvd and Weta. The greatest asset for NASA now is the ability to stay the course. Everybody knows what size of carrot failed to secure the SCOK majority so you can't ask for any less.

[Kichwa]

It becomes easier to stay on course once you make the transition from self-interest to fighting for the good of the nation. The SCOK ruling made a lot of people make that transition. Also, this time around MDVD and Kalonzo felt some kind of ownership of NASA as opposed to ODM or CORD  and therefore could not jump their own ship.

Kalonzo is indeed a surprise but lso are Madvd and Weta. The greatest asset for NASA now is the ability to stay the course. Everybody knows what size of carrot failed to secure the SCOK majority so you can't ask for any less.

[Ole]

vooke might be right that NASA may have run out of cash; who wouldn't after running such a massive campaign? But the silver lining in this all exercise is that political parties will not be ashamed anymore to solicit cash from wananchi. And Wananchi will in return feel like they own the campaign process. My local mca had supporters fund his campaign and he easily defeated the incumbent who wash awashed with cash and watnot. This appeal for help might end up being a blessing in disguise.

[Kichwa]

Its a very positive development in our fledgling democracy and it ought to be lauded instead of being demonized and made fun of. NASA should focus on getting out the votes and guarding the votes.  Trying to go on an arms-race with jubilee on those expensive rallies and time consuming rallies is not sustainable. NASA can actually reach people by asking for their help.  When someone gives 10 bob, that person is also more likely to vote than not. That is the kind of commitment they need. More door to door grassroots volunteer campaign and less of the expensive, loud, boisterous rallies. 

vooke might be right that NASA may have run out of cash; who wouldn't after running such a massive campaign? But the silver lining in this all exercise is that political parties will not be ashamed anymore to solicit cash from wananchi. And Wananchi will in return feel like they own the campaign process. My local mca had supporters fund his campaign and he easily defeated the incumbent who wash awashed with cash and watnot. This appeal for help might end up being a blessing in disguise.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I asked myself what value IR adds. Looking across the country the place Jubilee could have harvested was Kisii but that has been overturned and locked. Coast is even worse. Narok is the only place Kongi's harvest can be gotten. All other places were already MOASSED.

It's more psychological than anything.  The jubilants can use that to rouse their deflated base.  In terms of votes, he doesn't bring much, if Pundit is to be believed.

[MOON Ki]

Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in).    Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".

[Kichwa]

It takes sometime for political parties to stand for something. When we became a multi-party we probably thought that the political parties would automatically stand for something like in the more mature western democracies.  What is happening in Kenya now is that things are happening which will hopefully lead to political parties standing for something. It is already happening but it has not reached a critical mass.  That is why we cannot give up hope.

Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in).    Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".

[Georgesoros]

You are a pariah if you are principled in kenya. Money talks loud and clear. The only losers are the same cheering people. Their grand kids will be surrounded by poverty while the hyenas maraud the neighborhoods. Ethical principles are a western theories only practiced by losers. Survival for the fittest is the motto.

I think it is more likely NASA support will "normalize" to 6% like Kericho... from 12%. There are NASA supporters that will not move with him. Kenyan politicians are all about money and self interest so Uhuru's fat wallet wins. I imagine he has been rewarded for his "troubles". Don't be surprised if Munya suddenly sees the light too and runs back to Jubilee.

Kenya is not a democracy. This re-run is a waste of time.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It takes sometime for political parties to stand for something. When we became a multi-party we probably thought that the political parties would automatically stand for something like in the more mature western democracies.  What is happening in Kenya now is that things are happening which will hopefully lead to political parties standing for something. It is already happening but it has not reached a critical mass.  That is why we cannot give up hope.

Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in).    Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".

I don't think parties can ever stand for more than our man's personal political vehicle in Kenya.  It's not in the Kenyan psyche; I haven't seen the evidence.  If the jubilant loses the coming election(assuming it somehow happens), Jubilee robbed of the power of patronage will just gradually vanish as the rats jump ship.  KANU folded, after 39 years in power as soon as they were out of power.  Jubilants don't have the stomach for opposition politics.  Their members will try to win favor with NASA in their own different ways.  There is no Raila there.

The "opposition" would be made up of fringe entities and civil society.

[Kichwa]

The opposition has actually stood for something in Kenya that can be articulated in more than one way to mean-democracy, freedoms, change, multi-party, devolution, good governance, anti-corruption, etc.  It is hard to articulate what the party in power since independence has stood for other than describe them as conservatives.  During the cold war, they described themselves as free-marketers/capitalists to endear themselves to the USA.  Right now they call themselves "developers" as if some people are against development. 

It takes sometime for political parties to stand for something. When we became a multi-party we probably thought that the political parties would automatically stand for something like in the more mature western democracies.  What is happening in Kenya now is that things are happening which will hopefully lead to political parties standing for something. It is already happening but it has not reached a critical mass.  That is why we cannot give up hope.

Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in).    Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".

I don't think parties can ever stand for more than our man's personal political vehicle in Kenya.  It's not in the Kenyan psyche; I haven't seen the evidence.  If the jubilant loses the coming election(assuming it somehow happens), Jubilee robbed of the power of patronage will just gradually vanish as the rats jump ship.  KANU folded, after 39 years in power as soon as they were out of power.  Jubilants don't have the stomach for opposition politics.  Their members will try to win favor with NASA in their own different ways.  There is no Raila there.

The "opposition" would be made up of fringe entities and civil society.

[Globalcitizen12]

Tribal derby ..that is Kenya politics in a nut shell..kabila hili lipigane na kabila lile

[Nefertiti]

Government is about citizen wellbeing. This means in Sub Sahara where poverty is the principal concern, choice and therefore packaging of parties is rightly about development. The debate is what is the best approach to this? and of course there are many ways to slaughter the elephant. The "developers" mean to say the "reformers" are wrong because excess [public] freedom is disruptive to the economy. Liberals trumpet the freedom dividend.

There is no panacea to prosperity. The US gospel of liberal democracy has been turned on its head by the Asian Tigers and then especially China as the resurgent autocracy without oil. It's a paradigm shift. You saw Jubilee sending a "fact mission" to study the Communist Party without batting an eyelid. Why NASA didn't fuss? -China is a success story to the 3rd world. I see not just the opportunity in the China v West scenario but also the confusion it causes in us.

The conservatives / developers repulse you - Kichwa - because you're a reformer. I don't see your leaning as unfairly ethnic (Pundit's criticism of you). I am saying in many words when "they" beguile you so much... ask why and don't be righteous.