Political realignment thread.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

EX-WIPER Chairman David Musila and a host of Ukambani elected leaders join President @UKenyatta's Jubilee reelection team. #ElectionsKE pic.twitter.com/KJgcJekvro

— CapitalFM Breaking News (@BreakingNewsKE) September 6, 2017

Is there a more promiscuous less principled political slut than this guy?  Jirongo perhaps?  Ngilu?

[RV Pundit]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

[Kichwa]

To be fair, I think you can plot them on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is completely rotten and 10 is the least rotten.

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

[vooke]

EX-WIPER Chairman David Musila and a host of Ukambani elected leaders join President @UKenyatta's Jubilee reelection team. #ElectionsKE pic.twitter.com/KJgcJekvro

— CapitalFM Breaking News (@BreakingNewsKE) September 6, 2017

Is there a more promiscuous less principled political slut than this guy?  Jirongo perhaps?  Ngilu?

Principles don't pay bills; negro ain't dead yet, cut him some slack he has his mouth among other bills to tend to.

[vooke]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

As long as they are NASWA/pro-Babu, they are largely clean. Nobody in Jubilee is clean~ 50 Shades of Windsock

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

Do I think NASA are different than jubilants?  No.  They might even be worse.  But they would assume office with the pressure of knowing that there is no guarantee that they will get back in power after five years.  That is an important thought that needs to linger over these guys throughout their terms.

[Kadame7]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

Do I think NASA are different than jubilants?  No.  They might even be worse.  But they would assume office with the pressure of knowing that there is no guarantee that they will get back in power after five years.  That is an important thought that needs to linger over these guys throughout their terms.

None of you will ever convince me that Raila is anywhere near as bad as the others, however fashionable that becomes. I have more than enough proof of not only his basic good will but the benefits we have had as a country through his political activities and the fact that he desires a legacy and not just raw power and ndururu. With the rest, I don't care. But for him, I am convinced he has been far more a plus for this country than any of the other goons in all our politics and by far. I'd be dumb to expect much from his buddies but from him, I am confidently expecting the maturing of our institutionalism and democratization and I ain't ashamed to say so.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

Do I think NASA are different than jubilants?  No.  They might even be worse.  But they would assume office with the pressure of knowing that there is no guarantee that they will get back in power after five years.  That is an important thought that needs to linger over these guys throughout their terms.

None of you will ever convince me that Raila is anywhere as bad as the others, however fashionable that becomes. I have more than enough proof of not only his basic good will but the benefits we have had as a country through his political activities and the fact that he desires a legacy and not just raw power and ndururu. With the rest, I don't care. But for him, I am convinced he has been far more a plus for this country than any of the other goons in all our politics and by far. I'd be dumb to expect much from his buddies but from him, I am confidently expecting the maturing of our institutionalism and democratization and I ain't ashamed to say so.

I agree that his impact has been more positive than negative.  In fact he is probably the only thing standing between a viable democracy and a Museveni-like autocracy.  Take him off the scene, and I can see a good chunk of the so-called opposition getting swallowed up because there are enough opportunities to eat for "everyone".  I totally agree in that respect.

But Raila has some tendencies that make me doubt if he would make a different type of leader.  As PM, Caroli was known to be rotten.  Miguna Miguna brought it up and apparently was shown the door.  His nepotism is an open secret.  He may not be in the league of the hustler or kamwana in sheer criminality, but he still needs someone to keep tabs on him.

[Kichwa]

It is indeed fashionable to say our politicians are all crooks. I believe one person at the helm can change the trajectory of a country, a corporation, an institution or a school.  I remember Mr. Wanjoi very well. He came to my primary school and changed everything for the better,-same teachers, same students, same parents. Maraga changed the court.  I also believe that a Raila presidency will change the corruption trajectory of this country and reduce tribalism, and increase the democratic space.  Kenya seriously need the change from the same people who have ran it since independence to present.  Just look at the impact of Raila on our constitution and the electoral system.  If this electoral system survives and makes Kenya better, we will have Raila to thank even if he never becomes president.  Raila has made more progressive changes to Kenya as an opposition politician and I dare say that his influence on the government would be huge if he were to be the president.

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

Do I think NASA are different than jubilants?  No.  They might even be worse.  But they would assume office with the pressure of knowing that there is no guarantee that they will get back in power after five years.  That is an important thought that needs to linger over these guys throughout their terms.

None of you will ever convince me that Raila is anywhere as bad as the others, however fashionable that becomes. I have more than enough proof of not only his basic good will but the benefits we have had as a country through his political activities and the fact that he desires a legacy and not just raw power and ndururu. With the rest, I don't care. But for him, I am convinced he has been far more a plus for this country than any of the other goons in all our politics and by far. I'd be dumb to expect much from his buddies but from him, I am confidently expecting the maturing of our institutionalism and democratization and I ain't ashamed to say so.

[RV Pundit]

I think Raila would screw things so badly this country will go under.Raila lacks wisdom and appreciation of the complexities of management of national affairs..will plunge kenya and the region to Idi Amin turbulence.Kenyans are wise and have rejected him.Unhinged dictator with a huge axe to grind.

[Nefertiti]

I don't think it is 100% possible to predict what one might do with power. That is why we say to test a man's character give him power.

Raila would try socialism - free education, healthcare, etc - welfare and entitlements. Raila is liberal to the core even socially. So expect abortion, gay rights and such. I don't see big axe to grind with Gema or RV - his enemies Moi and Kibaki are already senile. Instead he would be faced with more formidable ones - economic reality of capitalism, the church, cartels.

Raila seeks to undo the system. The opposite of say Ruto who has mastered it.

[vooke]

When Kibaki came into power in 2003, there was some significant disruption in the form of governance and corruption cartels. Of course after not so long they emerged. I've no doubt Babu would equally dismantle the cartels and replace them gradually or rather suffer his guys to fill them in, but in the interim we would enjoy bliss. Not just Babu but any change of guard would bring this. That's the only reason I'd support Babu.....not because he has some magical silver bullet.

Babu was seduced by trappings of power by Moi, KANU sec gen, a ministry.....that's all you need to know he's no different. Of course his excuse is that he went in to reform KANU from inside. Good humour

[Kichwa]

Our electoral IQ has improved as a country because of Raila and this will serve Kenya well in the future.  I am glad he withstood the pressure to concede and save his legacy.  Had he done that he would have damaged his legacy even more.  The whole country has benefited from his decision to go to court which gave the Magara court a chance to show case their independence.  These two events will be historically more consequential  than what ouru and ruto could have done in the next five years.  While ouru is destroying his legacy by appearing in public drunk and insulting the judiciary, Raila is building a formidable legacy by changing the electoral system and adding to his legacy of expanding the democratic space in Kenya.

[vooke]

Our electoral IQ has improved as a country because of Raila and this will serve Kenya well in the future.  I am glad he withstood the pressure to concede and save his legacy.  Had he done that he would have damaged his legacy even more.  The whole country has benefited from his decision to go to court which gave the Magara court a chance to show case their independence.  These two events will be historically more consequential  than what ouru and ruto could have done in the next five years.  While ouru is destroying his legacy by appearing in public drunk and insulting the judiciary, Raila is building a formidable legacy by changing the electoral system and adding to his legacy of expanding the democratic space in Kenya.

Nobody pressured Babu to concede; Kerry and all observers aksd losers to seek legal redress if he felt cheated.

[Kadame7]

Our electoral IQ has improved as a country because of Raila and this will serve Kenya well in the future.  I am glad he withstood the pressure to concede and save his legacy.  Had he done that he would have damaged his legacy even more.  The whole country has benefited from his decision to go to court which gave the Magara court a chance to show case their independence.  These two events will be historically more consequential  than what ouru and ruto could have done in the next five years.  While ouru is destroying his legacy by appearing in public drunk and insulting the judiciary, Raila is building a formidable legacy by changing the electoral system and adding to his legacy of expanding the democratic space in Kenya.

Nobody pressured Babu to concede; Kerry and all observers aksd losers to seek legal redress if he felt cheated.

They did. Kerry kwanza with his speeches of "Oh I know how it is to lose elections, just accept and move on...." However, I don't blame him like some Kenyans coz I also wanted Raila to concede. It seemed both sensible and inevitable at the time. I am glad he didn't listen to voices like mine though

[RV Pundit]

Let wait for 17th October verdict. If Raila is beaten by even margin - then it will be humiliating and devastating - and he won't have any excuse. This will mark the end of him in politics.

They did. Kerry kwanza with his speeches of "Oh I know how it is to lose elections, just accept and move on...." However, I don't blame him like some Kenyans coz I also wanted Raila to concede. It seemed both sensible and inevitable at the time. I am glad he didn't listen to voices like mine though

[bryan275]

Windy it always amusing reading how you somehow divide our politicians into good or bad when everyone knows the whole lot are equally rotten

The old sisi sote ni wezi mantra.

[bryan275]

Our electoral IQ has improved as a country because of Raila and this will serve Kenya well in the future.  I am glad he withstood the pressure to concede and save his legacy.  Had he done that he would have damaged his legacy even more.  The whole country has benefited from his decision to go to court which gave the Magara court a chance to show case their independence.  These two events will be historically more consequential  than what ouru and ruto could have done in the next five years.  While ouru is destroying his legacy by appearing in public drunk and insulting the judiciary, Raila is building a formidable legacy by changing the electoral system and adding to his legacy of expanding the democratic space in Kenya.

Nobody pressured Babu to concede; Kerry and all observers aksd losers to seek legal redress if he felt cheated.

Mr Pundito here was screaming every day "Concede already!!"

[Kadame7]

Let wait for 17th October verdict. If Raila is beaten by even margin - then it will be humiliating and devastating - and he won't have any excuse. This will mark the end of him in politics.

They did. Kerry kwanza with his speeches of "Oh I know how it is to lose elections, just accept and move on...." However, I don't blame him like some Kenyans coz I also wanted Raila to concede. It seemed both sensible and inevitable at the time. I am glad he didn't listen to voices like mine though

Pundit, I am not the least bit interested in predictions. I have heard the end of Raila and his one-way trip to Bondo predicted so often, I could write a song with those lyrics. You have no idea what will happen tomorrow, leave alone next month, because you are not God and do not own a crystal ball. For all you know, next week might mark the breakout of a civil war or the death of any of these people or the occurrence of events you cannot even guess at. So please keep those for your MOAS threads and interested members like Robina, Omollo, vooke or the others you guys argue with over those. I simply don't care. I will witness reality as it happens and pay no mind to prophecies

[RV Pundit]

Sounds like a touched a raw nerve. The will be two outcomes on 17th or maybe 3 or 4.  We will come to MOAS later but for now there are at least four scenarios I can see...
1) Raila wins - and vindicate his rigging theory
2) Raila loses - by smaller margin - and somehow vindicate himself that some rigging had happened earlier.
3) Raila loses - by the same margin - IEBC & Uhuru are vindicated.
4) Raila loses  - by even wider margin - that will be as devastating as Zim's Morgan Tsavingiria receiving a dog beating from Mugabe.

The worse scenario for Raila is 4 - and looking at re-alligment by the political class - it's looking increasingly likely Raila will go down with huge thunder.

Pundit, I am not the least bit interested in predictions. I have heard the end of Raila and his one-way trip to Bondo predicted so often, I could write a song with those lyrics. You have no idea what will happen tomorrow, leave alone next month, because you are not God and do not own a crystal ball. For all you know, next week might mark the breakout of a civil war or the death of an of these people or the occurrence of events you cannot even guess at. So please keep those for your MOAS thread and interested members like Robina, Omollo or the others you guys argue with. I simply don't care.