Petition: Final Submissions

[Omollo]

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What do you think ?

Muite is filibustering;

1. There is no requirement for security features - yes But if Al Ghurair printed forms with security features where did the ones without come from?
2. 5 Forms not signed. I am laughing. Can pundit take a cheque that is unsigned to a bank and demand that it be cashed because ...

[Omollo]

Just wondering what is the purpose of a Returning officer if his signature is unnecessary?

[RV Pundit]

Read Maina Kiai rulling and you'll get all the answers. There is nothing Chebukati can and will do unless we do away with Maina rulling - that does away with national tally center ability to verify.  The court says declare the results as they are - and if there is some RO or PO who brought his own form or didn't sign - he will be criminally responsible.

[Kichwa]

RO's and PO's work for the Commission.  The commission is responsible for their actions when done in cause of duty.

Read Maina Kiai rulling and you'll get all the answers. There is nothing Chebukati can and will do unless we do away with Maina rulling - that does away with national tally center ability to verify.  The court says declare the results as they are - and if there is some RO or PO who brought his own form or didn't sign - he will be criminally responsible.

[Omollo]

Did you understand the issue?

I am glad you finally read Kiai. That must be when you realized I had been right to keep urging you to read it as elections revolve around it.

Read Maina Kiai rulling and you'll get all the answers. There is nothing Chebukati can and will do unless we do away with Maina rulling - that does away with national tally center ability to verify.  The court says declare the results as they are - and if there is some RO or PO who brought his own form or didn't sign - he will be criminally responsible.

[Omollo]

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[RV Pundit]

Of course. But do you nullify election if one RO or PO make a mistake either deliberately or otherwise. If the gap is 1.5m and the mistake is 1000 votes - you don't. But you can recommend all the POs and ROs with mistakes be investigated and charged under election offence acts.

RO's and PO's work for the Commission.  The commission is responsible for their actions when done in cause of duty.

[vooke]

I need that Registrar's report asapest.

Loved how Orengo attempted to sneak in another mountain of evidence and only retreated claiming it was mirror copy of the report. So if it were,why was he duplicating it? Couldn't he have made a copy of the registrar's report instead?

[Omollo]

Even if you use that criteria, consider this:
FORM 34B

1. 56 - No Water Marks
2. 5 - Unsigned
3. 31 without Serial Numbers

That is over 5 Million voters or votes.
 

Of course. But do you nullify election if one RO or PO make a mistake either deliberately or otherwise. If the gap is 1.5m and the mistake is 1000 votes - you don't. But you can recommend all the POs and ROs with mistakes be investigated and charged under election offence acts.

RO's and PO's work for the Commission.  The commission is responsible for their actions when done in cause of duty.

[RV Pundit]

The bar-code seem to have disappeared.

I need that Registrar's report asapest.

Loved how Orengo attempted to sneak in another mountain of evidence and only retreated claiming it was mirror copy of the report. So if it were,why was he duplicating it? Couldn't he have made a copy of the registrar's report instead?

[RV Pundit]

What is pre-scribed form as per the IEBC regulations. All those are extras. Add-ons security features. It the like those statistics/data  - good to have but not needed.

Even if you use that criteria, consider this:
FORM 34B

1. 56 - No Water Marks
2. 5 - Unsigned
3. 31 without Serial Numbers

That is over 5 Million voters or votes.
 

[vooke]

What is pre-scribed form as per the IEBC regulations. All those are extras. Add-ons security features. It the like those statistics/data  - good to have but not needed.

Even if you use that criteria, consider this:
FORM 34B

1. 56 - No Water Marks
2. 5 - Unsigned
3. 31 without Serial Numbers

That is over 5 Million voters or votes.
 

 Muite called them 'abundance of caution'

[RV Pundit]

If you read IEBC regulations mostly the certificates and final results are signed.The rest like form 34  A and B don't need.There is nothing on security features.The form layout is defined.As far as president race..only form 34 C and Certificate need signatures from Chebukati.And again you need to demonstrate beyond watermark bla that results are fake.IEBC can draw form 34A on a exercise book and that would be valid.

[Kichwa]

You can split hairs all day long but all the important arguments have been made by both sides and the minds have been formed.  The SCOK judges will deliver a judgment on Friday but as a NASA supporter I am convinced more than ever that this election was rigged against us.  There need to be serious reforms in the process of counting votes, transmission thereof and announcing winners regardless of which side wins. If this is not done then voting by the party supporters who do not control power is a useless exercise.  The reforms must be done very early so that the public can regain confidence in the electoral system and not to close to the next elections.  I am very proud of team NASA for presenting a very simple but yet powerful case of why the process. Numbers mean nothing unless you know why they are coming from and their authenticity.

If you read IEBC regulations mostly the certificates and final results are signed.The rest like form 34  A and B don't need.There is nothing on security features.The form layout is defined.As far as president race..only form 34 C and Certificate need signatures from Chebukati.And again you need to demonstrate beyond watermark bla that results are fake.IEBC can draw form 34A on a exercise book and that would be valid.

[vooke]

You can split hairs all day long but all the important arguments have been made by both sides and the minds have been formed.  The SCOK judges will deliver a judgment on Friday but as a NASA supporter I am convinced more than ever that this election was rigged against us.  There need to be serious reforms in the process of counting votes, transmission thereof and announcing winners regardless of which side wins. If this is not done then voting by the party supporters who do not control power is a useless exercise.  The reforms must be done very early so that the public can regain confidence in the electoral system and not to close to the next elections.  I am very proud of team NASA for presenting a very simple but yet powerful case of why the process. Numbers mean nothing unless you know why they are coming from and their authenticity.

Was this ever in doubt?

[vooke]

What I took home from the petition is something I heard Nyongo once paraphrase. When you legislate,you should imagine the laws you are making in your worst sworn enemy's hands.

Kibaki resisted devolution and went for an imperial president in 2005 referendum because he feared losing power. Raila on the other hand went for a strong PM because he imagined he would inherit the position.


The Kiai case where CORD/Kiai sought to emasculate IEBC commisioners is now haunting Babu and will in all likelihood tip the case in favor of Uhunye. Chebukati needs not sight all or any forms 34A to declare results which was NASWA's strongest argument

[Omollo]

The problem is that Uthamaki has no interest in reforming the electoral system. A case in point is the 2017 election. Once the Maina Kiai judgment denied them avenues of stealing, they went ahead to simply rob the people of kenya.

Disregard Pundit. He lives on cheap sensationalism and lately I caught him as one of those fellas who no longer read anything. Is he not the one who was parading the portal results to us? Guess what? The IEBC says they are not results - just statistics!

It is however the same statistics being used to determine that Jubilee won 55% of all the seats!

I pray that NASA wins this because there would be need to address the issue of the massive rigging of the other seats.

[vooke]

Here's NASWA's report on the Registrar's report
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8X0s1T29HaWFsTE0

[Nefertiti]

Omollo, obviously not everyone buys the story that Jubilee winning majority governors and MPs proves Uhuru won the presidency. The NASA coalition lost many seats to infighting. However I agree with IEBC & Pundit on the random transmission resulting in the 55-44% trend. That's plain statistics. My doubts were on the delayed 11K forms.

My issue is simple: that no solid evidence is adduced of doctored results to benefit Uhuru against Raila. Not a single original Form 34A is different from what IEBC has. Just clerical errors, missing watermarks, etc.

From all this I read there is no evidence of rigging. I wait for the judgement.

[Kichwa]

No but there is a difference in predicting something and something actually happening.

You can split hairs all day long but all the important arguments have been made by both sides and the minds have been formed.  The SCOK judges will deliver a judgment on Friday but as a NASA supporter I am convinced more than ever that this election was rigged against us.  There need to be serious reforms in the process of counting votes, transmission thereof and announcing winners regardless of which side wins. If this is not done then voting by the party supporters who do not control power is a useless exercise.  The reforms must be done very early so that the public can regain confidence in the electoral system and not to close to the next elections.  I am very proud of team NASA for presenting a very simple but yet powerful case of why the process. Numbers mean nothing unless you know why they are coming from and their authenticity.

Was this ever in doubt?