Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies

[RV Pundit]

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That mean NASA case is dead on arrival

[Kadudu]

Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?

[Omollo]

Kadudu

Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.

Here is a highly edited and censored story from The Ethnic Rag:

Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?

[RV Pundit]

Why would I? Chiloba has said all the forms are clean and without discrepancies. If I am supreme court judge - who would I believe - Raila's affidavit or Chiloba forms starring straight on me.

Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?

[RV Pundit]

Propagandist on hire then. Mara hacker on hire? You see NASA affidavit is as good as Jubilee counter-affidavit alleging  the opposite. IEBC ndio msema kweli.

Kadudu
Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.

[Omollo]

The truth is never by majority. I can see you are slowly warping into the GEMA way of thinking complete with the fallacies.

Propagandist on hire then. Mara hacker on hire? You see NASA affidavit is as good as Jubilee counter-affidavit alleging  the opposite. IEBC ndio msema kweli.

Kadudu
Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.

[RV Pundit]

I am not sure what other forms are but forms are for - but it should be around this number.
41K - form 34s A.
290 - form 34s B.
1 - form 34c.

Timeline - are set by constitution & laws. Not by NASA demanding for the forms every couple of seconds. IEBC remain constitutional body that enjoys lots of leeway - You really need to proof fraud or serious incompetence something close to that for judges to disregard any IEBC.

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.

[Kadudu]

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.

Why would I? Chiloba has said all the forms are clean and without discrepancies. If I am supreme court judge - who would I believe - Raila's affidavit or Chiloba forms starring straight on me.

[RV Pundit]

Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.

[GeeMail]

I am not sure what other forms are but forms are for - but it should be around this number.
41K - form 34s A.
290 - form 34s B.
1 - form 34c.

Timeline - are set by constitution & laws. Not by NASA demanding for the forms every couple of seconds. IEBC remain constitutional body that enjoys lots of leeway - You really need to proof fraud or serious incompetence something close to that for judges to disregard any IEBC.

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.

Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.

[RV Pundit]

NASA had their agents and parrallel systems - if anything they should already have had the majority of those forms.

IEBC operate on laws. Not on NASA whims.

The law demand that IEBC release the original final forms to court in case of any petition. In the meantime they have released copies - including digital - scanned - photo-copies to NASA.

The original copies are now with Judges who will use it to dismiss NASA make-belief petition.

Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.

[GeeMail]

Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?

[RV Pundit]

Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?

[GeeMail]

NASA had their agents and parrallel systems - if anything they should already have had the majority of those forms.

IEBC operate on laws. Not on NASA whims.

The law demand that IEBC release the original final forms to court in case of any petition. In the meantime they have released copies - including digital - scanned - photo-copies to NASA.

Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.

Which laws was IEBC operating on when it failed to produce 34As but went onto declare results? The law does not require NASA to have agents producing 34A forms. The law requires it from IEBC.

[GeeMail]

Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?

Again you show you haven't read the petition. Abuse of state resources including IEBC is included.

[RV Pundit]

The law says they should have all the forms before making declaration- not that they should share with you.If you dispute - then law - requires they now produces all 34As. In any case IEBC went further - shared the data from key-ed - from the photocopies taken at stations - and from form 34 B.

Which laws was IEBC operating on when it failed to produce 34As but went onto declare results? The law does not require NASA to have agents producing 34A forms. The law requires it from IEBC.

[RV Pundit]

That is probably their strongest argument - but my bet is supreme court - will ask CID to investigate that

Again you show you haven't read the petition. Abuse of state resources including IEBC is included.

[Omollo]

I don't wish to interfere with your "dialogue". However some things Pundit says cannot be allowed to stand even for a minute. They are toxic.
Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin When one lives in an echo chamber what else do you expect? Look at Senatorial results for Trans Nzioa where the winner announced BEFORE 11,000 results of polling stations were available is no longer the winner as per the portal. It is the same Pundit who shouted Uhuru win based on those portal results. How does the IEBC ... 3-4 parallel systems that cure those errors.???

Nobody is expecting a perfect election. Speak for yourself. For the billions used majority of Kenyans expect more than perfect elections. The problems in the exercise were not natural or unavoidable. They were created by Jubilee so that they could hold on to power after failing to convince Kenyans to vote for them. Jubilee LOST to NASA after all the bravado. They resorted to THEFT!

As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha: Here you confuse you wishes with reality. The idea that Jubilee would steal the election then somehow convince everyone that the deliberate actions taken such as blatant forgeries, swapping results to give Uhuru more votes and the algorithm were "not deliberate". Good luck.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing: Interesting. So you had access to the algorithm plans way back? The truth is that NASA beat Uhuru hands down. He decided to steal just like you stated two years ago that "if he (Uhuru) finds he is losing, he will, like Kibaki steal".

Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.

[Omollo]

Uhuru was Deputy Prime Minister in 2013 = Incumbency

Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?