NASA Petition General

[RV Pundit]

Maraga; See you on Friday when we make final judgement.

[RV Pundit]

It's over until friday.

[Kichwa]

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

Right. The court can determine the extend of errors - if marginal - no problem - but RO or POS is criminal responsible.

Correct. What they do at the polling station and Constituency is final....needs no verification

[vooke]

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

Right. The court can determine the extend of errors - if marginal - no problem - but RO or POS is criminal responsible.

Correct. What they do at the polling station and Constituency is final....needs no verification

You think there are arguments and you think  NASWA have proved. Confused

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Muite really believes the security features slowing down access for hours shtick.

[RV Pundit]

The law requires them to consider both - any process or mathematical error & it's effect - on fair,free and credible election. Section 38 of Election Act is catch-all that you cannot invalidate results just coz of procedural lapses. So numbers are very important and NASA has 1.5M votes mountain to climb. The judges can knock down so many votes as invalid but still that huge gap will be staring back at them.

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

[GeeMail]

The law requires them to consider both - any process or mathematical error & it's effect - on fair,free and credible election. Section 38 of Election Act is catch-all that you cannot invalidate results just coz of procedural lapses. So numbers are very important and NASA has 1.5M votes mountain to climb. The judges can knock down so many votes as invalid but still that huge gap will be staring back at them.

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

Process (free and fair election in terms of voting and tallying) and product (IEBC announcement of winner, ELOG ululations, Pundit calls to concede) matter equally.
This is like a math exam and not multiple choice ABCD of nursery school. The answer may be wrong (e.g. Raila lost by 44%) but the correct method used to arrive at it. Teacher awards some marks for method. Right answer (e.g. Uhuru won by 54%) may get you a few marks but then again, the teacher may ask if you were not copying your Azerbaijani or Rwandese neighbors in the exam room.

[RV Pundit]

You have to demonstrate the consquence of any processes gaps or violation.Forgetting to stamp or sign here doesn't make process unfair and worse when effect of the results are such that it benefit the petitioner.

[Omollo]

The Form 34 without RO signatures and forgeries carry more than 5 million votes which could theoretically be deducted from Uhuru's votes and added to Raila.

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

Right. The court can determine the extend of errors - if marginal - no problem - but RO or POS is criminal responsible.

Correct. What they do at the polling station and Constituency is final....needs no verification

[Omollo]

The audit changed that to the detriment of Uhuru.

The law requires them to consider both - any process or mathematical error & it's effect - on fair,free and credible election. Section 38 of Election Act is catch-all that you cannot invalidate results just coz of procedural lapses. So numbers are very important and NASA has 1.5M votes mountain to climb. The judges can knock down so many votes as invalid but still that huge gap will be staring back at them.

There are two arguments being advanced here, the "numbers" argument and the "process" argument. If the court goes with the numbers argument then Jubilee wins but if the court goes with process argument then  NASA wins.  The court may also adopt a hybrid, weigh it and rule for either side with a lot of recommendations for reform.  The bottom line is that NASA's claims can no longer be taken lightly.  They have proven to their supporters that they were robbed and that the system is rigged to produce numbers for Jubilee and the ruling class.

[MOON Ki]

You have to demonstrate the consquence of any processes gaps or violation.Forgetting to stamp or sign here doesn't make process unfair and worse when effect of the results are such that it benefit the petitioner.

The first part is correct.  One would indeed also have to show that any errors or mischief would have been sufficient to give a different outcome.

The second part is hopelessly confused.   "Stamps" and "signatures" do not matter a great deal, and not just in elections.   At the simplest level, that is so because processes---in modern life, generally---have been arranged to that "stamps" and "signatures" do matter a great deal.   

It  is not easy to determine whether a "stamp"/"signature" was simply "forgotten" or "not available" (as would be the case with deliberate mischief). So, without being able to look into minds, the default assumption must be the latter, and anything not properly "stamped" or "signed" must be invalidated.

Of course, forgeries or any other form of fraud would make the elections-process unfair.

[Omollo]

 

You have to demonstrate the consquence of any processes gaps or violation.Forgetting to stamp or sign here doesn't make process unfair and worse when effect of the results are such that it benefit the petitioner.

The first part is correct.  One would indeed also have to show that any errors or mischief would have been sufficient to give a different outcome.

The second part is hopelessly confused.   "Stamps" and "signatures" do not matter a great deal, and not just in elections.   At the simplest level that is so because proc

It  is not easy to determine whether a "stamp"/"signature" was simply "forgotten" or "not available" (as would be the case with deliberate mischief). So, without being able to look into minds, the default assumption must be the latter, and anything not properly "stamped" or "signed" must be invalidated.

Of course, forgeries or any other form of fraud would make the elections-process unfair.

[RV Pundit]

Unfair to what extent.If some PO or RO was to deliberately mess the elections do you invalidate the whole election.Nope.This is not the case where one impurity or poison messed it all up.Its the numbers game.You sieve out the impurities and see if what's left is still palatable.Chebukati could have done this but Maina gifted the court that sieving job.Nasa hopes now lies on Judges invalidating elections coz of add on security features on form 34B which are sadly for them backed by form 34 As that are solid.As far as signature goes only final results and Certificate need signatures.Intermediate result like 34 A and B don't.It is enough for chebukati to know the forms emanated from his staff.These are internal results.Form 34c and certificate will need signatures coz these are final declarations to be handed over externally.IEBC has layers of security to authenticate the results..if one failed another kicked in..if watermark is absent..barcodes are checked..if serial numbers go missing..infra red works.In short NASA have no case here.

[vooke]

Pundito,
Have a look at these logs from an FTP server
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8ZDU0bmxIclNzaFk/view?usp=drivesdk


It's the basis of this Orengo's report that was promptly trashed
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8X0s1T29HaWFsTE0/view?usp=drivesdk

[RV Pundit]

Thanks vooke. As always resourceful.

[RV Pundit]

Quick Check - Limaris Jackson is RO of Butali. He probably just tried to access the system outside VPN.

[RV Pundit]

Kimeli of Sotik - Seem to be struggling to install CANON printer. He mounts a virtual drive (MSDN Disk) and tries to copy Canon over. It mostly fails because he has no such rights.

[vooke]

NASWA has a bombshell yet they can't or won't release it

ICT report by JUDICIARY on my hands! Tough times for IEBC and Jubilee. The findings am looking at are explosive

— Lord Abraham Mutai (@ItsMutai) August 30, 2017

And they have a new smoking gun; servers

Update: NASA is filing a case  for opening the server which may reveal the true result of the 8th August Election.

— Lord Abraham Mutai (@ItsMutai) August 30, 2017

All they are doing is regurgitating their own 'report'

Server logs that actually tampered with this elections. And it shall come to pass that those who stole the election can't hide anymore! pic.twitter.com/DLYC1jqlRl

— Lord Abraham Mutai (@ItsMutai) August 30, 2017

[vooke]

Here's the actual Registrar's ICT report
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8WEdvRURHbEoxVVU

[vooke]

And the accompanying Scrutiny Report
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8R08tSm5lMWFidTg