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Re: NASA Petition General
« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2017, 08:48:03 PM »
Mortal friend already shitting on proceedings.

He's there for the firm...

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Re: NASA Petition General
« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2017, 08:56:05 PM »
Orengo calls it as it is "The forms 34a lodged with the court were forgeries!"

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Re: NASA Petition General
« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2017, 09:10:42 PM »
Termie saidia Orengo bwana.... all he has to say is that NASA will appoint an IT expert to audit the systems..

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Re: NASA Petition General
« Reply #83 on: August 26, 2017, 09:14:33 PM »
Orengo needs
-1hr to peruse through the 290 original forms 34B
-2hrs to peruse through the 40,863 original forms 34A
-Up to 18hrs to access the server logs,KIEMS logs,IP addresses...
-2 days to dig through Safran the supplier of KIEMS kits[/li][/list]

Lenaola wonders how the product of these exercises will get back to the court

Orengo says he will deliver them in soft

Here's the problem, the respondents must be given sufficient time to respond to this new evidence if at all. Then again, some of the requests are IMPOSSIBLE. How many personnel do you need to go through the WHOLE 40K forms in 2hrs under the court supervision?
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: NASA Petition General
« Reply #84 on: August 26, 2017, 09:21:06 PM »
    Orengo needs
    -1hr to peruse through the 290 original forms 34B
    -2hrs to peruse through the 40,863 original forms 34A
    -Up to 18hrs to access the server logs,KIEMS logs,IP addresses...
    -2 days to dig through Safran the supplier of KIEMS kits[/li][/list]

    Lenaola wonders how the product of these exercises will get back to the court

    Orengo says he will deliver them in soft

    Here's the problem, the respondents must be given sufficient time to respond to this new evidence if at all. Then again, some of the requests are IMPOSSIBLE. How many personnel do you need to go through the WHOLE 40K forms in 2hrs under the court supervision?

    The case is so important that we should take as much time as it takes.  Millions of lives depend on the outcome of this case.

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    Re: NASA Petition General
    « Reply #85 on: August 26, 2017, 10:08:46 PM »
    Termie saidia Orengo bwana.... all he has to say is that NASA will appoint an IT expert to audit the systems..

    Yes.  They just need an account with read access to the data.

    On a separate note, in a common law system, is there anything that prevents this court from extending the time they need to deal with this petition?
    "I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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    Re: NASA Petition General
    « Reply #86 on: August 26, 2017, 10:09:05 PM »
      Orengo needs
      -1hr to peruse through the 290 original forms 34B
      -2hrs to peruse through the 40,863 original forms 34A
      -Up to 18hrs to access the server logs,KIEMS logs,IP addresses...
      -2 days to dig through Safran the supplier of KIEMS kits[/li][/list]

      Lenaola wonders how the product of these exercises will get back to the court

      Orengo says he will deliver them in soft

      Here's the problem, the respondents must be given sufficient time to respond to this new evidence if at all. Then again, some of the requests are IMPOSSIBLE. How many personnel do you need to go through the WHOLE 40K forms in 2hrs under the court supervision?

      The case is so important that we should take as much time as it takes.  Millions of lives depend on the outcome of this case.

      The much time they have is about 5 days bro. And auditing is not the only affair
      2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #87 on: August 26, 2017, 10:17:27 PM »
      The application is defective.The court should order for scrutiny of forms 34s on their motion now that iebc has no problem with it

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #88 on: August 26, 2017, 10:21:00 PM »
      Termie saidia Orengo bwana.... all he has to say is that NASA will appoint an IT expert to audit the systems..

      Yes.  They just need an account with read access to the data.

      On a separate note, in a common law system, is there anything that prevents this court from extending the time they need to deal with this petition?


      In terms of time, I think it's mischievous to claim there's no time to audit systems and double check everything.  The outcome of this case is so important and impacts on millions of folk that time should not be of the essence.  In any case Uhuru will be caretaker prez in that time.

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #89 on: August 26, 2017, 10:27:05 PM »
      Omollo, there goes your request for a recount from Ngatia...  :D

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #90 on: August 26, 2017, 10:36:18 PM »
      Time is set in stone via Raila Constitution

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #91 on: August 26, 2017, 10:59:14 PM »
      The mortician's "friendly advice" swiftly kicked to touch....

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #92 on: August 26, 2017, 11:04:45 PM »
      I think court of appeals is more serious than this SCOK institution.  Time for it to go.
      "I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #93 on: August 27, 2017, 08:51:12 AM »
      I watched latter parts of yesterday's status or whatever hearing and one thing was clear; the 2013 800+ page bullshiet that was discarded in 'technicality' made sense; the respondent need sufficient time to respond and denying them this prejudices them.

      Ngatia was like they was served with some Affidavit at 1620H and by 1900H they had replied.

      A lot of bullshiet will be thrown out today and it won't be the court's fault.

      Thinking about the so called audit.
      Supposing NASWA prayers was granted, its obvious the timelines they are asking are insufficient. But that aside, IEBC would equally need time to rebut whatever NASWA experts are saying. Looks like the most rational way is for a neutral forensic auditor to pore through IEBC servers. Sounds better rather than two sets of 'experts' arguing and educating the judges on Oracle. What if they fail to agree?

      How practical is it to procure this auditor,set some agreeable scope and get a human-readable report in SCOK between now and Friday?
      2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #94 on: August 27, 2017, 09:45:50 AM »
      My take.The NASA application will be dismissed. It problematic in many ways  coz NASA are trying to
      have second bite and allowing will mean everyone gets
      a second bite.They will however order on their own motion the scrutiny of form 34s under the Registar with all parties present.ICT audit is not happening.Judges are not interested in processes & activities of IEBCs.They are interested in the outputs and outcomes as contained in ballot boxes and form 34s. If NASA are interested in reviewing ICT infrastructure they can request that through Odunga in the High Court. Reputable auditor would then be procured the same way KPMG did evaluate the systems before this elections.

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #95 on: August 27, 2017, 09:59:21 AM »
      All the time wasting amicus curae applications are similarly headed to the dustbin.

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #96 on: August 27, 2017, 10:43:52 AM »
      I watched latter parts of yesterday's status or whatever hearing and one thing was clear; the 2013 800+ page bullshiet that was discarded in 'technicality' made sense; the respondent need sufficient time to respond and denying them this prejudices them.

      Ngatia was like they was served with some Affidavit at 1620H and by 1900H they had replied.

      A lot of bullshiet will be thrown out today and it won't be the court's fault.

      Thinking about the so called audit.
      Supposing NASWA prayers was granted, its obvious the timelines they are asking are insufficient. But that aside, IEBC would equally need time to rebut whatever NASWA experts are saying. Looks like the most rational way is for a neutral forensic auditor to pore through IEBC servers. Sounds better rather than two sets of 'experts' arguing and educating the judges on Oracle. What if they fail to agree?

      How practical is it to procure this auditor,set some agreeable scope and get a human-readable report in SCOK between now and Friday?

      An IT audit is a quick examination of the code, inputs/outputs etc.  They already know what they're looking for.  We have analog judges, lawyers and thieving bastards trying to pretend that it will take weeks to examine the servers.  Mara judge is expecting orengo to turn up lagging big computers into court.  The pretense is shocking. 

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #97 on: August 27, 2017, 10:58:31 AM »
      And pray who will do the audit? Orengo and his group of naive hackers who had some fake logs. IEBC have invested a lot in their systems to allow every tom, dick and harry to come - and inspect stuff. The only way IT audit can be done is by procuring a reputable firm - and that process will take time.

      How this is important in the petition is not clear to me. You can proof interference without looking at the servers - by presenting evidence from your agents/observers/form 34s/ballot boxes  - that will demonstrate how the "statistics or provisional results" were interfered with.

      NASA of course have nothing - the whole case is make-belief - it comes down to combing through form 34s looking for any error /discrepancy - the same process they want to do on the server.

      An IT audit is a quick examination of the code, inputs/outputs etc.  They already know what they're looking for.  We have analog judges, lawyers and thieving bastards trying to pretend that it will take weeks to examine the servers.  Mara judge is expecting orengo to turn up lagging big computers into court.  The pretense is shocking. 

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #98 on: August 27, 2017, 11:41:40 AM »
      And pray who will do the audit? Orengo and his group of naive hackers who had some fake logs. IEBC have invested a lot in their systems to allow every tom, dick and harry to come - and inspect stuff. The only way IT audit can be done is by procuring a reputable firm - and that process will take time.

      How this is important in the petition is not clear to me. You can proof interference without looking at the servers - by presenting evidence from your agents/observers/form 34s/ballot boxes  - that will demonstrate how the "statistics or provisional results" were interfered with.

      NASA of course have nothing - the whole case is make-belief - it comes down to combing through form 34s looking for any error /discrepancy - the same process they want to do on the server.

      An IT audit is a quick examination of the code, inputs/outputs etc.  They already know what they're looking for.  We have analog judges, lawyers and thieving bastards trying to pretend that it will take weeks to examine the servers.  Mara judge is expecting orengo to turn up lagging big computers into court.  The pretense is shocking. 

      Whoever does it is not Jubilee's nor the court's concern.  If they settle on some river roadie "IT" consultants that's their prerogative.  Looking at Muite's action, his knowledge is even more limited that NASA's yet his protestations amount to childishness.  You know that all it takes is a read only access account to allow for an Algorithm to run remotely.  This thing will take 2/3 hours max as the IEBC server is small... compared to say Nakumatt's...or even KCB's.

      Orengo has put on record this funny resistance..... that's the smoking gun...
       

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      Re: NASA Petition General
      « Reply #99 on: August 27, 2017, 12:07:43 PM »
      Even that read-only acess to the database would still compromise the system. IEBC should never give Jubilee or NASA any access to their systems unless they were sure it won't compromise their system. That would leave a court appointed system auditor - from say KPMG or Deloitte or PWC - but there is simply no time before 1st to do that.

      The least would be for IEBC to print and redact log files before handing them over to Nasa. Basically the logs of when results were received - statistics/key-in data - and perhaps the meta-data of the scanned forms (when they were received and from which devices). But that is not what NASA is accepting - they are asking to inspect every nook and cranny of IEBC systems in the hope they'll find some skeleton.

      When you talk about algorithm - explain to me how that would work - how would altering the key-in results - alter the manual voter counting & filling of form 34s in polling stations?

      Let says the algorithm works by ensuring there is 54% -44%in total numbers streaming in. So results from 10 polling station stream in - Algorithm ensures 54% -44% is maintained by adding or substracting figures to Raila & Uhuru column - then how do you retroactively edit the forms? Before the results are key-in -form 34A is filled. That would mean calling the PO/Agent to destroy the previous one - and fill a fake one. Now that should be easy to proof in court.

      1) You just need agents to say they counted the votes in XYZ polling stations - Raila figures were XYZ - but later on it turned to WQT.
      2) You just need agents to show their own copy of the original form 34 - each agent get one.
      3) They can also show scanned images on their phones or whatassup of the original forms.
      4) We can re-open the polling station's ballot boxes and re-count.
      5) Your agents/observers/media would have videos of results being counted?

      If you do that in 10 polling stations - like in 2013 (which CORD was unable) - then we have prima facia evidence to look deeper.

      This is crazy thought - because the algorithm would affect nearly every polling station - and would be so apparent there won't be need of a petition.

      Your guys are plain crazy. Totally gone bonkers.

      As of now - there is nothing. Therefore in 2hrs time I expect this application to be dismissed. Then we move on to the real petition which has already been DEMOLISHED by IEBC and Jubilee - leading to this attempt to get a second bite & make more crazy allegations.

      Whoever does it is not Jubilee's nor the court's concern.  If they settle on some river roadie "IT" consultants that's their prerogative.  Looking at Muite's action, his knowledge is even more limited that NASA's yet his protestations amount to childishness.  You know that all it takes is a read only access account to allow for an Algorithm to run remotely.  This thing will take 2/3 hours max as the IEBC server is small... compared to say Nakumatt's...or even KCB's.

      Orengo has put on record this funny resistance..... that's the smoking gun...