Idiots who publicly stripped woman in 2014 sentenced to death

[Nefertiti]

This sentence is appropriate - gang sexual assault is a really barbaric act. The only thing world over is that sexual laws are disproportionately applied on men and women showed leniency. I am sure Windy Assassin said no such thing as torturing the culprits during the Nyeri madness. As a woman I find that condescending and hypocritical. Even that masquerading feminist in the US Kadame5 mentions is still enjoying impunity. The law should be applied uniformly.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

This sentence is appropriate - gang sexual assault is a really barbaric act. The only thing world over is that sexual laws are disproportionately applied on men and women showed leniency. I am sure Windy Assassin said no such thing as torturing the culprits during the Nyeri madness. As a woman I find that condescending and hypocritical. Even that masquerading feminist in the US Kadame5 mentions is still enjoying impunity. The law should be applied uniformly.

Given that I don't know about the Nyeri madness, that might explain my silence.  That said, I have seen a story of a man being gang raped in Zimbabwe.  I thought that was funny.  Just keeping it honest.

[Kadame5]

This sentence is appropriate - gang sexual assault is a really barbaric act. The only thing world over is that sexual laws are disproportionately applied on men and women showed leniency. I am sure Windy Assassin said no such thing as torturing the culprits during the Nyeri madness. As a woman I find that condescending and hypocritical. Even that masquerading feminist in the US Kadame5 mentions is still enjoying impunity. The law should be applied uniformly.

To be fair, she got the same sentence as the other perps, including the men who killed the guy. She did 25 in prison. I was disgusted that someone felt she was a good spokesman for women in the women march against Trump. 

[Omollo]

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.

I don't know about our penal code but robbery with violence accompanied by bodily harm has a death sentence if I'm not mistaken.

What's the problem here, some feel robbery with violence deserves something less than death?

This is not the first case death is handed on robbery with violence.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/lifestyle/article/2001227884/three-sentenced-to-death-for-robbery-with-violence-in-meru


I think the sexual assault made the robbery more repulsive and provoked outrage

[Kadame5]

This sentence is appropriate - gang sexual assault is a really barbaric act.

Gang + public+ taping n sharing: triply aggravating the already grave sexual assault. To them she was not a person with feelings; just a toy.

[Kadame5]

This is NOT a feminist issue. It is a humanist issue. Civility. I don"t even like militant feminists.

[RV Pundit]

Totally. Our judges should be dispassionate and should dispense justice without emotions

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.

[RV Pundit]

But they didn't kill her - I haven't watched the video or the facts of the case - but for me - they can only be sentenced to life imprisonment or death sentence if they killed the victim. 10-15yrs in prison is perhaps even too much. Tom Chomoldgey killed 2 people and he got 3yrs.

Gang + public+ taping n sharing: triply aggravating the already grave sexual assault. To them she was not a person with feelings; just a toy.

[vooke]

The clip, maybe like Omorlo says, she wanted it but manners prevented her from aksin
http://kenyabwala.com/18-shocking-video-lady-gets-fingered-matatu-kenyan-men-sad/

[vooke]

But they didn't kill her - I haven't watched the video or the facts of the case - but for me - they can only be sentenced to life imprisonment or death sentence if they killed the victim. 10-15yrs in prison is perhaps even too much. Tom Chomoldgey killed 2 people and he got 3yrs.

Gang + public+ taping n sharing: triply aggravating the already grave sexual assault. To them she was not a person with feelings; just a toy.

Robbery with violence attracts death penalty. Whether it's excessive or not is another

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Omollo, Pundit,

When I say she has to say yes, I don't mean it has to be a literal yes.  Consent is something that can be demonstrated in many ways.  But a definite no is usually not ambiguous.  I haven't seen the video, but I doubt the lady wanted it.

[Kadame5]

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.

I don't know about our penal code but robbery with violence accompanied by bodily harm has a death sentence if I'm not mistaken.

What's the problem here, some feel robbery with violence deserves something less than death?

This is not the first case death is handed on robbery with violence.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/lifestyle/article/2001227884/three-sentenced-to-death-for-robbery-with-violence-in-meru


I think the sexual assault made the robbery more repulsive and provoked outrage

:oYou guys have got to be kidding. A no in Kenya is a NO!!!!!!....Jesus Christ! Pundit and Omollo, we invite you to join us in 2017 tafadhalini.

[Nefertiti]

Good points. Laws on sexual assault should ideally follow international norms, say US laws, where more rationality rules. I find the FIDA feminist approach quite shortsighted. Men, when they are not trying to impress, will tell you their disdain of feminist double standards. We need men to develop a happy sustainable safe environment. Otherwise the next time you have PEV the aggrieved men will see it as revenge season.

Human relations are complex, so I do not just blame feminists. These irrational laws were passed by male MPs and signed by a male president. It is a problem for the whole society to solve.

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.

[Kadame5]

But they didn't kill her - I haven't watched the video or the facts of the case - but for me - they can only be sentenced to life imprisonment or death sentence if they killed the victim. 10-15yrs in prison is perhaps even too much. Tom Chomoldgey killed 2 people and he got 3yrs.

Gang + public+ taping n sharing: triply aggravating the already grave sexual assault. To them she was not a person with feelings; just a toy.

He argued successfully that he was acting in what he thought was self-defence and then that he thought he killed a wild animal, that he thought he was in danger. What danger do you think these thugs believed they were facing from the girl? Or perhaps it was so dark they thought she was a goat?????

[RV Pundit]

And that is law that need to go. It was enacted one afternoon after thugs raided Jomo Kenyatta property and has remained ever in books. Judges should be given the discretion to determine what amount to excessive violence or necessary violence for the thug to rob.  I have seen small poor kids sentenced to death  for brandishing a knife to steal. How else would robbery be conducted.

Robbery with violence attracts death penalty. Whether it's excessive or not is another

[vooke]

Omollo, Pundit,

When I say she has to say yes, I don't mean it has to be a literal yes.  Consent is something that can be demonstrated in many ways.  But a definite no is usually not ambiguous.  I haven't seen the video, but I doubt the lady wanted it.

You're right Termie,
There was this Meru MP who was sued for rape by his acquaintance. She claimed that before rape she was subjected to a forced HIV test. Looking at it, the circumstances suggested otherwise. Him, her, 2AM in his office bla bla

[Omollo]

Unfortunately Kadame in Kenya it is.

The Feminists have hijacked the Female Human Rights agenda. It went down somewhat under the Kibaki era when he co-opted most of them into government and by that disarmed most NGOs. The likes of Koome, Abidha Ali, Baraza etc that led with the most poisonous charges were disarmed with money and the trappings of power.

When parliament passed laws setting up demands for degrees and higher education, name one Feminist who protested and educated the public that most women in Kenya would be denied their Right to be voted for?

They instead saw it as an opportunity to continue to speaks for "women" when in effect they are no diiferent from the wealthy powerful men.

My idea of a Kenyan woman is a barefooted, woman with feet cracked and having her hair under a scarf (kitambaa). She would be wearing what we call rinda or leso (coast) sewn without fashion in mind.

The other woman is a younger woman / girl without much education, probably a maid, speaks little or no english and struggling or as they say "hustling". Those are the majority. They attend political rallies, sell mboga and have no voice.

Women like you are a minority of minorities but have the strongest and loudest voice.

This is NOT a feminist issue. It is a humanist issue. Civility. I don"t even like militant feminists.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Good points. Laws on sexual assault should ideally follow international norms, say US laws, where more rationality rules. I find the FIDA feminist approach quite shortsighted. Men, when they are not trying to impress, will tell you their disdain of feminist double standards. We need men to develop a happy sustainable safe environment. Otherwise the next time you have PEV the aggrieved men will see it as revenge season.

Human relations are complex, so I do not just blame feminists. These irrational laws were passed by male MPs and signed by a male president. It is a problem for the whole society to solve.

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.

The reason I have no issues with feminism in general is because of the assymetric nature of genders.  The modern man is just a caveman in a suit.

[RV Pundit]

I don't think 3 people can act just like dogs - they were some provocation - obviously from girl - maybe she was prostitute or something - maybe they were all drunks  -maybe they were acting on group physiology - whatever they did deserve severe punishment but not death sentence. They have already suffered 3 yrs in prison. I am sure they deeply regret this now. I'd would have given them 5yrs - which is enough time to get the .arse ripped apart in prison. Prison is no picnic.

He argued successfully that he was acting in what he thought was self-defence and then that he thought he killed a wild animal, that he thought he was in danger. What danger do you think these thugs believed they were facing from the girl? Or perhaps it was so dark they thought she was a goat?????

[Kadame5]

There is nothing irrational about severely punishing rapists and other bullies. Their gender shouldnt matter. Men arw not babies that need to be bembelezwad into not attacking people. Everyone should keep their damned hands to themselves unless other people want to be touched. Hiyo tu.

Good points. Laws on sexual assault should ideally follow international norms, say US laws, where more rationality rules. I find the FIDA feminist approach quite shortsighted. Men, when they are not trying to impress, will tell you their disdain of feminist double standards. We need men to develop a happy sustainable safe environment. Otherwise the next time you have PEV the aggrieved men will see it as revenge season.

Human relations are complex, so I do not just blame feminists. These irrational laws were passed by male MPs and signed by a male president. It is a problem for the whole society to solve.

I have addressed the death sentence so let me deal with the Sexual Violence bit.

If you hand out 25 years (4 years more than most European countries would give for the most serious violation on the books) what would you give for more serious sexual offences.

Feminists should chill a bit and begin exploring other ways of addressing the problems of today as far as the treatment of women goes. Feminists in Kenya have pursued an absolutist and extremist agenda in seeking to protect the Rights of the woman. This will in the long run backfire as we have seen when men have been battered by women and FIDA defends the perpetrators.

Like KM writes, there are smart ways of sentencing that take into consideration the rehabilitation of the offender and the general good of the society. If you make simple sexual assault a life sentence offence (21 years is recognized in many European countries as equal to a life imprisonment) you inadvertently make future crimes even more brutal. The perpetrator knows if he is caught he will pay with a life sentence and therefore sets about destroying evidence starting with the victim!

Issues between men and women are complex. Like Pundit writes, a No in Africa is not the same as a NO in the West. No woman respecting herself would say yes in Africa - and I have been around! A lot! There is no and the mandatory "struggle" and resistance even "outrage" but a smile and so on after.