Idiots who publicly stripped woman in 2014 sentenced to death

[Kadame5]

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http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Matatu-crew-strip-woman-case/1954174-4021598-8ixk18z/index.html

I am anti death penalty but I am very satisfied with the zero tolerance shown to this ujinga by the court. I also know that in Kenya capital punishment only exists in books. Wacha iwe onyo! Now if we can sentence proud witch and thief linchers to death too, we might start to curb some of our barbarism. In Kenya, we stopped hanging people in the 80s.

[Kichwa]

That's a ridiculous sentence.  You cannot sentence people to death penalty for sexual assault or even rape where there is no loss of life.  Kenya needs to have very strict sentence guidelines for death penalty.  The judge probably got emotionally involved because of the nature of the crime.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Matatu-crew-strip-woman-case/1954174-4021598-8ixk18z/index.html

I am anti death penalty but I am very satisfied with the zero tolerance shown to this ujinga by the court. I also know that in Kenya capital punishment only exists in books. Wacha iwe onyo! Now if we can sentence proud witch and thief linchers to death too, we might start to curb some of our barbarism. In Kenya, we stopped hanging people in the 80s.

[Kadame5]

The death penalty is for robbery with violence which is a capital offence in Kenya. They got 25 for the sexual assault.

That said, I feel NOTHING for these barbarians. They stripped a woman in public and proceeded to do unspeakable things to her genitals in full view of the public and a video camera. Honestly reminded me of the pogroms that jews were made to suffer before the "final solution" for them was discovered. What happened to that lady was more than even rape. Things like gang rape and rape of small children and this kind of attempt to utterly dehumanize someone like what they did to her ought to receive the WORST punishment a society can mete out, on par with murder.

[RV Pundit]

5 years is enough for this.

[veritas]

I agree with Kadame.

Kenya's judiciaries should echo Kenya's culture. Those chaps would've been beaten to death for a heinous crime like that.

The thing is they are the sorts of chaps that would repeat such offences and ensure there's no video recording next time.

Only a sentence as definitive as a death sentence would deter heinous crimes like that in Kenya.

Anything less of won't change a thing in Kenya where doing prison time equates to free meals and lodgings.

[vooke]

Good precedent here seeing far too many victims of sexual assault never get justice. A positive side of social media and smart phones age I guess.

[Kadame5]

Good precedent here seeing far too many victims of sexual assault never get justice. A positive side of social media and smart phones age I guess.

Its good to see a man share the same sentiments.  I'm beginning to think nipate folk missed that video of the attack and so are inclined to trivialize the suffering these jamaz put that lady through for no bloody reason. Besides, no one gets hanged in Kenya anymore but the precedent set here may deter some of those idlers who've made a habit of this in the country.

On another note, if it was normal robbery without what they did, the judge may have probably found a way to sentence for just "robbery" which if I remember correctly is 14 years but what they did does not incline one to mercy so he let the "robbery with violence" charge stick (which isn't very different from ordinary robbery thanks to the sloppy drafting of whoever our parliament hired to draft those sections that supposedly speak of two different offences).

She also testified that they had also tried to rape her but she lied that she was H.I.V + and that was the only reason they didnt proceed. And for me, the public humiliation, gang attacks, sexual assault and video shared to the whole world on top of that: how can someone recover?? No. Let the fear of God be put into all those idlers who contemplate this. Hiyo tu.

[RV Pundit]

In mitigation some of these group or crowd actions are spur of the moment where people lose their sense momentarily. I think life sentences is not proportionate to the crime here. People actually kill others -manslaughter- and get 3-5 years. Giving this people 1-2 yrs is enough for me. It still act as serious deterrent - even a day in jail in a deterent. I doubt these folks are hardened criminals - they are most likely illiterate uncultured people who are yet to get use to modern ways of life.

Life sentence and death penalty is a joke in kenya is because the judges have dished it out left right and center - it no longer has that stink.

So when we get a serial killer like Onyanja who actually killed some many women in cold blood - what do we sentence him to?

Let reserve death sentence and death penalty to the most heinous of crimes. Otherwise we have made a joke of the whole detterence - next time if some people find themselves in the same spot - they had rather go the whole hog.

Good precedent here seeing far too many victims of sexual assault never get justice. A positive side of social media and smart phones age I guess.
Its good to see a man share the same sentiments.  I'm beginning to think nipate folk missed that video of the attack and so are inclined to trivialize the suffering these jamaz put that lady through for no bloody reason. Besides, no one gets hanged in Kenya anymore but the precedent set here may deter some of those idlers who've made a habit of this in the country.

On another note, if it was normal robbery without what they did, the judge may have probably found a way to sentence for just "robbery" which if I remember correctly is 14 years but what they did does not incline one to mercy so he let the "robbery with violence" charge stick (which isn't very different from ordinary robbery thanks to the sloppy drafting of whoever our parliament hired to draft those sections that supposedly speak of two different offences).

She also testified that they had also tried to rape her but she lied that she was H.I.V + and that was the only reason they didnt proceed. And for me, the public humiliation, gang attacks, sexual assault and video shared to the whole world on top of that: how can someone recover?? No. Let the fear of God be put into all those idlers who contemplate this. Hiyo tu.

[Kadame5]

I think you guys are treating this like its something small. What this guys did was even worse than rape, in my view, which is 35 to life.

Some crimes display a certain kind of cruelty and disregard for the humanity of others that they simply should be treated as seriously as murder. This is one. If they had just committed ordinary assault, Id feel differently. But no. They wanted to make her suffer as much as possible. I dont see how they are different from someone who commits torture and the victim doesnt die. I would still want them serving the ultimate sentence which in Kenya is in reality life.

I can only see aggravating circumstances here, zero mitigation. They attacked the girl for no reason and then took it to inhuman levels. Pundit, please watch that video, how on earth can you say 1 or 2 years is enough? Do you think that woman will ever recover from being publicly stripped, had fingers and apparently a bottle inserted in her by filthy kanges she didnt even know, had it all recorded and shared with the world? She was begging for mercy and they had none to show her. 1 and 2 years....my God. A petty thief gets punished more severely. But how? Worse than a gang that attacks someone this way unprovoked???? I have to assume you havent looked at that video or heard the horrific details of the inhumanity these guys did. Hiyo tu.

[RV Pundit]

Did they go to that extend. Inserting bottle that now deserve a some serious jail. Still lets us not cheapen death penalty and life imprisonment like we have done. It is  now a joke. I'd give them 15ys. The girl is not dead. 10 -15 yrs is no joke.

I think you guys are treating this like its something small. What this guys did was even worse than rape, in my view, which is 35 to life.

Some crimes display a certain kind of cruelty and disregard for the humanity of others that they simply should be treated as seriously as murder. This is one. If they had just committed ordinary assault, Id feel differently. But no. They wanted to make her suffer as much as possible. I dont see how they are different from someone who commits torture and the victim doesnt die. I would still want them serving the ultimate sentence which in Kenya is in reality life.

I can only see aggravating circumstances here, zero mitigation. They attacked the girl for no reason and then took it to inhuman levels. Pundit, please watch that video, how on earth can you say 1 or 2 years is enough? Do you think that woman will ever recover from being publicly stripped, had fingers and apparently a bottle inserted in her by filthy kanges she didnt even know, had it all recorded and shared with the world? She was begging for mercy and they had none to show her. 1 and 2 years....my God. A petty thief gets punished more severely. But how? Worse than a gang that attacks someone this way unprovoked???? I have to assume you havent looked at that video or heard the horrific details of the inhumanity these guys did. Hiyo tu.

[Nefertiti]

These guys got what they deserve - death for robbery with violence and 25 years for gang sexual assault. The death sentence is not meant for the sexual assault but the robbery. What I do get in Kenya is disproportionate punishment of men compared to women. Like those Nyeri dick-severers never got anything like 25 years yet their acts were equally barbaric.

[Kadame5]

These guys got what they deserve - death for robbery with violence and 25 years for gang sexual assault. The death sentence is not meant for the sexual assault but the robbery. What I do get in Kenya is disproportionate punishment of men compared to women. Like those Nyeri dick-severers never got anything like 25 years yet their acts were equally barbaric.

I agree. There should be zero tolerance for barbarism. Hiyo tu. Severing someone's genitalia should not be treated like ordinary assault. I mean there is normal vita and then there is barbarism. People who do stuff like this should not be shown leniency. They have no respect for the humanity of others.

[Omollo]

Am with Pundit on thIs one. This cheapens the death penalty and nearly equates it with slaughtering a chicken.

Human life should be taken only in exceptional circumstances. I would like to see the maximum sentence for robbery with violence brought down to 21 years where there is a death.

The death penalty should be removed from the books except for treason and spying.

There must be automatic and fully paid for appeals by an advocate of the appellants' choice. Only when all appeals have been exhausted including that of clemency would a hangman swing into action.

This idea of sentencing street urchins with bad manners who would reform with 3 years of hard labour is silly. The whole robbery charge must be reviewed. A street urchin snatching a phone even if he threatens you with shit in a stocking cannot be robbery as we know it.

There should be an assault weapon. The objective and intention of robbery must overwhelmingly proven. A value must be attached to the goods say minimum 20,000 (my subjective suggestion).

Otherwise we shall waste time on frivolous cases involving street urchins who should be helped abd rehabilitated as smooth operators rape, traffic and kill women right under our own noses.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I haven't seen the video.  But I lean on severe punishment including castration and stuffing genitalia in the mouth before beheading, for sexual offenses.  If the person says no, it means no, even if you are still free to work other legitimate ways to get them to change their mind.

[Kichwa]

Regardless of how you spin it, this is not capital punishment material.  As Pundit said, this should be a five to six year sentence, even less. You can throw in hard labor and some kind gender sensitive education  but definitely not capital punishment or any sentencing beyond five years. Hopefully this sentence will be overturned on appeal. You cannot cure injustice with injustice. Even outrage has to be proportional.  In the US they have very detailed guidelines for sentencing except in drug cases which the legislature interfered with  and resulted into ridiculously unfair racially charged and emotional sentencing. Obama tried to roll them back, Hilary campaigned tto follow Obama's Nyayo then Trump happened.

Am with Pundit on thIs one. This cheapens the death penalty and nearly equates it with slaughtering a chicken.

Human life should be taken only in exceptional circumstances. I would like to see the maximum sentence for robbery with violence brought down to 21 years where there is a death.

The death penalty should be removed from the books except for treason and spying.

There must be automatic and fully paid for appeals by an advocate of the appellants' choice. Only when all appeals have been exhausted including that of clemency would a hangman swing into action.

This idea of sentencing street urchins with bad manners who would reform with 3 years of hard labour is silly. The whole robbery charge must be reviewed. A street urchin snatching a phone even if he threatens you with shit in a stocking cannot be robbery as we know it.

There should be an assault weapon. The objective and intention of robbery must overwhelmingly proven. A value must be attached to the goods say minimum 20,000 (my subjective suggestion).

Otherwise we shall waste time on frivolous cases involving street urchins who should be helped abd rehabilitated as smooth operators rape, traffic and kill women right under our own noses.

[RV Pundit]

You sound like you never dated - in Africa - where Yes mean No - and No mean Yes - if we enforce you law - we will end up looking up so many people - like the robbery with violence thing. Majority of robberies must happen with some level of violence.

I haven't seen the video.  But I lean on severe punishment including castration and stuffing genitalia in the mouth before beheading, for sexual offenses.  If the person says no, it means no, even if you are still free to work other legitimate ways to get them to change their mind.

[RV Pundit]

Precisely.

Regardless of how you spin it, this is not capital punishment material.  As Pundit said, this should be a five to six year sentence, even less. You can throw in hard labor and some kind gender sensitive education  but definitely not capital punishment or any sentencing beyond five years. Hopefully this sentence will be overturned on appeal. You cannot cure injustice with injustice. Even outrage has to be proportional.  In the US they have very detailed guidelines for sentencing except in drug cases which the legislature interfered with  and resulted into ridiculously unfair racially charged and emotional sentencing. Obama tried to roll them back, Hilary campaigned tto follow Obama's Nyayo then Trump happened.

[Kadame5]

I haven't seen the video.  But I lean on severe punishment including castration and stuffing genitalia in the mouth before beheading, for sexual offenses.  If the person says no, it means no, even if you are still free to work other legitimate ways to get them to change their mind.

Thank you! There is a tendency to trivialize sexual assault among a lot of guys, I don't get it. Just imagine its a bunch of guys doing this to a guy you know, stripping him naked and doing stuff to his private bits in public including inserting things while he screams and begs to be left alone, video taping it and sharing it. Mercy here belongs with the victim. This to me was beyond even rape which is bad enough. Its closer to torture. No sympathy for those guys. I felt the same about the American woman who participated in the torture of a man though not his killing and now mascarades as a feminist activist. It takes a special kind of person to do that kind of thing.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You sound like you never dated - in Africa - where Yes mean No - and No mean Yes - if we enforce you law - we will end up looking up so many people - like the robbery with violence thing. Majority of robberies must happen with some level of violence.

I haven't seen the video.  But I lean on severe punishment including castration and stuffing genitalia in the mouth before beheading, for sexual offenses.  If the person says no, it means no, even if you are still free to work other legitimate ways to get them to change their mind.

I haven't seen the video.  But if she says no, you respect that.  You are still free to try and change her mind.  It's not that complicated.

Imagine she is your sister.  Mother.  Daughter.  A human being really.

[vooke]

I don't know about our penal code but robbery with violence accompanied by bodily harm has a death sentence if I'm not mistaken.

What's the problem here, some feel robbery with violence deserves something less than death?

This is not the first case death is handed on robbery with violence.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/lifestyle/article/2001227884/three-sentenced-to-death-for-robbery-with-violence-in-meru


I think the sexual assault made the robbery more repulsive and provoked outrage