Author Topic: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures  (Read 2556 times)

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Most counties are yet to implement the law that requires them to appoint prov administration like appendage - Isaac has done all the way to village councils (paid 1k meeting allowance) - with AP like appendage of security/enforcement officers.Frankly it waste of resource because they are doing nothing that Chiefs/Ass Chiefs don't do. There is duplication of roles - Sub County Admin with DC - Ward Admin with DO - Area Admin with Chief - Ass Chief with Village Admin - and then village council is one ridicolous idea -
 
But this has somewhat been effective in riding Bomet of the alcohol problem -  but of course Isaac simply want to behave like the President of Bomet.

Here is Isaac' Area & village administrator graduation ceremony - who are like chiefs & ass chiefs



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Offline Georgesoros

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 03:34:51 PM »
In a way it gives these young people jobs, however insignificant they may be. Problem is money comes from the central govt.

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 03:40:49 PM »
I don't think they are neccesary - because right now Bomet is struggling to pay salaries of staff - the money could be used for development. This would only make sense if national gok was to hand over the prov structure below county commissioner - but everyone wants to have their own people.
In a way it gives these young people jobs, however insignificant they may be. Problem is money comes from the central govt.
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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2017, 03:59:55 PM »
That is why every other senator wants to be governor.  Not a single governor is interested in the senate.  As governor you have your own little kingdom to develop or plunder.
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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 04:04:06 PM »
Who started this myth of "money comes for the national (not central) government?
This money the national government distributes is the taxpayers money even at the county level. if you buy a loaf of bread in a kiosk in Bomet the VAT goes to the national government and then comes back via county allocation to the county.

In a way it gives these young people jobs, however insignificant they may be. Problem is money comes from the central govt.

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 04:13:02 PM »
Actually this was to be the case. The Provincial Administration was to be dismantled and handed over to the counties including the Adminstration Police. Alas, come a president from Central Kenya whose people are not very keen on devolved kind of governce, with help from William Ruto and the hopes of real devolved government were dashed. My take to central Kenya folks is they should just remember it will not be very long and the person residing in SH will not be one of their own. That is the day they will start sing ing the devolution song.

I don't think they are neccesary - because right now Bomet is struggling to pay salaries of staff - the money could be used for development. This would only make sense if national gok was to hand over the prov structure below county commissioner - but everyone wants to have their own people.

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 04:18:03 PM »
Actually this was to be the case. The Provincial Administration was to be dismantled and handed over to the counties including the Adminstration Police. Alas, come a president from Central Kenya whose people are not very keen on devolved kind of governce, with help from William Ruto and the hopes of real devolved government were dashed. My take to central Kenya folks is they should just remember it will not be very long and the person residing in SH will not be one of their own. That is the day they will start sing ing the devolution song.

I don't think they are neccesary - because right now Bomet is struggling to pay salaries of staff - the money could be used for development. This would only make sense if national gok was to hand over the prov structure below county commissioner - but everyone wants to have their own people.

The fear the jubilant has is that these will become mini-states with the potential to even have their own law enforcement and quasi armed forces. 
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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 04:19:17 PM »
Change is gradual. Central Kenya people now know their fears were mistaken. They will come on board. And eventually the chiefs/ass chiefs need to go.....and their roles handed over to counties.
Actually this was to be the case. The Provincial Administration was to be dismantled and handed over to the counties including the Adminstration Police. Alas, come a president from Central Kenya whose people are not very keen on devolved kind of governce, with help from William Ruto and the hopes of real devolved government were dashed. My take to central Kenya folks is they should just remember it will not be very long and the person residing in SH will not be one of their own. That is the day they will start sing ing the devolution song.

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 04:36:55 PM »
I think with NASA in power, Bomet, will be way a head of the game.   The first thing you notice in 3rd wpr;d countries after being in other parts of the 2nd and 1st world is chaos, lack of organization.  We need to be organized so that you can plan and deliver services better and more efficiently.  The chiefs do not even have the records of the population of their locations, they cannot tell you how many children were born in the village during the last week, or how many people died, because there is no record of anything. I have people registering death of their loved ones 5 years later and there is no contemporaneous records at the time the person died because the government do not enforce the registration of either birth or death and there is no penalty for not doing so within a reasonable time. The county governments must fill in these gaps because they need the information to collect taxes and to plan and deliver services to the people.  They also need it for security and law enforcement reasons.  The only way to do this is to have a devolved structure which they control.  The current chief system must be disbanded.  The national government should have a county office for very limited purposes only.

Change is gradual. Central Kenya people now know their fears were mistaken. They will come on board. And eventually the chiefs/ass chiefs need to go.....and their roles handed over to counties.
Actually this was to be the case. The Provincial Administration was to be dismantled and handed over to the counties including the Adminstration Police. Alas, come a president from Central Kenya whose people are not very keen on devolved kind of governce, with help from William Ruto and the hopes of real devolved government were dashed. My take to central Kenya folks is they should just remember it will not be very long and the person residing in SH will not be one of their own. That is the day they will start sing ing the devolution song.
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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 04:44:34 PM »
Agreed but some of those roles should be taken disappear once every birth is through a registered hospital - we are nearly there - with free maternity - and secondly once every dead person is taken to morque - we can have them registered.
I think with NASA in power, Bomet, will be way a head of the game.   The first thing you notice in 3rd wpr;d countries after being in other parts of the 2nd and 1st world is chaos, lack of organization.  We need to be organized so that you can plan and deliver services better and more efficiently.  The chiefs do not even have the records of the population of their locations, they cannot tell you how many children were born in the village during the last week, or how many people died, because there is no record of anything. I have people registering death of their loved ones 5 years later and there is no contemporaneous records at the time the person died because the government do not require the registration of either birth or death and there is no penalty for not doing so within a reasonable time.

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Re: One thing Isaac Rutto has done is to set devolved structures
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 05:22:46 PM »
Exactly, we are still a long ways. In the US all dead bodies must be taken to a funeral home regardless of where they die. All funeral homes are registered and heavily regulated by the Federal, state and local governments. They are required to electronically report all the deaths  to the relevant national and county government agencies, issue death certificates.  All births even those outside the hospital are  required to be certified by a doctor or a licensed mid-wife who must complete the relevant forms to report the birth to the relevant government agencies.  However, before we get to that point, we will have to rely on a vigilant devolved structure to collect this data.

Agreed but some of those roles should be taken disappear once every birth is through a registered hospital - we are nearly there - with free maternity - and secondly once every dead person is taken to morque - we can have them registered.
I think with NASA in power, Bomet, will be way a head of the game.   The first thing you notice in 3rd wpr;d countries after being in other parts of the 2nd and 1st world is chaos, lack of organization.  We need to be organized so that you can plan and deliver services better and more efficiently.  The chiefs do not even have the records of the population of their locations, they cannot tell you how many children were born in the village during the last week, or how many people died, because there is no record of anything. I have people registering death of their loved ones 5 years later and there is no contemporaneous records at the time the person died because the government do not require the registration of either birth or death and there is no penalty for not doing so within a reasonable time.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza