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Offline Globalcitizen12

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kengen is still having untamed debt
« on: July 01, 2017, 02:29:43 AM »
This stock is still under 10 shs. How did this company end up with $1.7 billion in debt. Looks like this year they are underperforming in the first 6 months.

http://www.kengen.co.ke/sites/default/files/financial-reports/press/KenGen%202016%20Final%20Results.pdf

Is this a management issue, ownership issue.

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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2017, 11:43:09 AM »
Maybe it's should be nationalized again so it can piggy-bank on treasury to borrow even more. What is 2B dollars when likes of Ethiopia are sinking 10B dollars on mega project...even Uganda are doing 600MW stations. Kengen is still stuck at 100mw here or there.

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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2017, 02:13:30 PM »
You really talk a lot of economic shit pundit. I am an investor of Kengen. The reason this company is not doing well is because GOK privatized it without restructuring the debt. GOK should have written off the debt or looked for a single strategic investor that would have injected new capital. The problem with Kenyan energy production is that most of the money goes to consulting fees. I wonder how profitable is the $20 billion power plants in Ethiopia.


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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »
I opposed the IPO and still think it was misguided - I'd have gone for strategic partnership with world leading power generator - instead of bringing 300,000 idiots like you to Kengen.

I don't mind privatizing KPLC - but I think KenGen requires capital outlay you as small time shareholder cannot afford - I mean rights issue after rights issue - reinvested divided after re-invested dividend- Kengen is still doing puny projects - and in it's wake are 300,000 frustrated shareholders who have no business buying such a company.

Because of this mistake of privatizing - we ended up having to start new company - GDC - that has couple lots more billions and has not done as good.

I want Kengen that is goK owned be able to borrow 10B dollars from WB or China to do really big thinks - like LAMU coal project - that can hopefully reduce our cost of generation from 9-13shs to 3-6shs like in most countries.

Kengen privitisation was big mistake. We should only privatize mature companies like Safaricom. Right now I don't understand why GoK has not completely divested from Safaricom - the amount of billions we can get from safaricom - is enough to tarmac maybe 50,000kms of road - and ensure every kenya has a tarmac all the way to their driveyard. We should also privatize dead woods that are hopeless and don't serve any strategic interests - like the many hotels GoK own - internconn and name a hundrend of them.

Seem privatization commission is now dead kabisa.

You really talk a lot of economic shit pundit. I am an investor of Kengen. The reason this company is not doing well is because GOK privatized it without restructuring the debt. GOK should have written off the debt or looked for a single strategic investor that would have injected new capital. The problem with Kenyan energy production is that most of the money goes to consulting fees. I wonder how profitable is the $20 billion power plants in Ethiopia.



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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2017, 03:13:58 PM »
How would a nationalized Kengen be able to pull of a coal power plant. Would GOK be disciplined enough to be able to manage such an enterprise.. Nothing prevents Kengen from buying back the 300K shareholders and selling this stake to a strategic investor. There is no strategic investor who wont want dividends payout

http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=35217&p=3

interesting although not indepth discussions of kengen at Wazua

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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2017, 03:39:06 PM »
Here is the transimitter KPL another dead financial dog. It has 1.2 billion dollars in debt.. Lots of receivables which I am not sure how old they are. Most of AR is owed by GOK, local authorities and county governments
http://www.kplc.co.ke/AR2016/KPLC%202016%20Annual%20Report%20Upload.pdf

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Re: kengen is still having untamed debt
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2017, 06:05:02 PM »
Govt interference has consequences. electric from this entity is too expensive. 5K just to turn lights on and if you use a little 10k. Even in developed countries can't afford that.