What makes people think that Const RO will announce the correct results?

[RV Pundit]

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If a compromised Cons RO want to rig (and they have done it every election -- see how many elections have been annulled) they can.
They are in FULL charge of The Const Tallying Center.
They have armed police men - a battalion of them - to kick out anybody -agent/observer/media/public  -anytime for any reason.
Their decision regarding any figure is now final.Previously they would have to go and sweat it out with Chebukati in Nairobi.
And there is nothing you can do - unless you want to get copper from the cops.

Assuming I am the RO. If I want to steal say for Jubilee - all I need is security forces to kick out quarrelsome NASA agents/observer/media who will protest - and leave other agents to sign or be present - Abduba Dida agent is enough.There is no law that say NASA agent has to sign off .After I am through with cooking I can then send an SMS (okay form 34) to Chebukait with my final figures.

And to make it water-tight - because I am in charge of the warehouse to store ballot boxes in case of a dispute - I can open and make sure figures tally.

Now ask yourself
1) Who can bribe most of ROS...I mean NASA may offer 1m but Jubilee can pretty much gives them 100m for extra 5,000 votes. That is just about 2.9B shs.
2) Who deploy security forces to IEBC.? - if pro-NASA RO want to steal for NASA - all you need is security team that instead of controlling people - let more people come in - creating chaos for ROs.
3) Who has NSIS to do the intelligence?

NASA are probably hoping for sympathetic ROS from their tribe - but in face of money and security apparatus -- they just handed Uhuru another term and made it nearly impossible to now dispose a sitting GOK.

Campaigns are now secondary - all the resources are now focused on this ROS - GoK will dig out everything they can on find them. UhuRu already have 43-44% from GEMA+Kalenjin. They just need 1.5m votes from rest of the country - If 100 ROS can top up 10,000 votes by adding few zeros here and there Waiguru style - then Uhuru doesn't need to campaign.

[patel]

Am yet to hear or see a RO who has ever behaved in that way in Kenya history.  That would not be stupid but suicidal too. Things go smoothly at constituency level numbers get altered when they get to Nairobi or RO dissappear on their way to Nairobi.  This time around RO will stand in front of camera and read his results. If there any discrepancy people will focus on that RO.

[RV Pundit]

I guess you're yet to hear of many successfully petitions filled against ROs and never heard of by-elections. Will you be in Mandera North with you camera? Maybe you should buy a drone to go round 290 constitutuencies and record all the final results. What if a RO is forced to evict everyone from the tallying center except few agents like Isaac Hassan did to Maina Kia (which is probably the motivation for this case).

There is no regulation that say ROS must announce the results in front of cameras and those results are final. What is final is what Chebukati will get in form 34A duly signed by agents present.

Videos from you or media house are crap except for petition purpose -You can bring your own edited videos and claim ROS made the announcement - but what Chebukait will get is final from RO - no question asked. He cannot even say I saw you in NTV announcing different results!

Am yet to hear or see a RO who has ever behaved in that way in Kenya history.  That would not be stupid but suicidal too. Things go smoothly at constituency level numbers get altered when they get to Nairobi or RO dissappear on their way to Nairobi.  This time around RO will stand in front of camera and read his results. If there any discrepancy people will focus on that RO.

[patel]

Verbal or written announcement will have to be made at constituency level. NASA and jubilee has sufficient time to deploy 290 agents to the location where RO will make the announcement.
The amount of energy you have invested in this issue tells me you/jubilee  not happy with RO making the announcement because it has sealed some rigging loopholes. 

[RV Pundit]

Okay this my last on the issue - about a month from now - we will find out who is crying. Nope. Actually a week from now - NASA will re-start war against IEBC on deployment of ROs - we will start hearing ohoo Kalenjin and kikuyu dominate the list.

Uhuru could have won this the hard way but now he get to win it's easy. I just hope he doesn't overdo it -plunging this country to chaos & crisis - like Kibaki.

Verbal or written announcement will have to be made at constituency level. NASA and jubilee has sufficient time to deploy 290 agents to the location where RO will make the announcement.
The amount of energy you have invested in this issue tells me you/jubilee  not happy with RO making the announcement because it has sealed some rigging loopholes. 

[Nefertiti]

In the face of this massive Jubilee advantage, supporters should celebrate, not be so hot and bothered.

[RV Pundit]

Jubilee folks know Uhuru is winning - nothing has changed from 2013 - if anything UhuRuto are more popular than before - what they see is Raila creating chaos & planning for violence. That I think is what is bothering many including me. That we will conduct chaotic election that supreme court will have no option but to annul. or that will spark post election violence for lacking credibility. You can imagine the chaos of 290 compromised ROs announcing their own things and Chebukait hands tied like Kivuitu.

We know Raila plan. He has no path to victory. His plan is to force NARA nusu-mkate. That is what UhuRuto are saying daily -  obviously they get intelligence briefing. I personally have tried to figure out NASA end-game and that seem the only probable explanation. You see NASA daily discrediting IEBC and even wanting ballot printing stop - and we are 1 month to election - you see them discredit the SCOK & say they won't go there - the end-game is clear - try force a care-taker or coalition GOK - this judgement is making that easier - the results will be so hopeless & as chaotic as party primaries - the only option would be to repeat the election in 60 days with new rules.

In the face of this massive Jubilee advantage, supporters should celebrate, not be so hot and bothered.

[patel]

Every time you see Baghdad Bob or forces of impunity crying, shouting and throwing themselves in dirt with mucus leaking out of the noses because the court has given them advantage just know Wanjiku has won.

In the long run IEBC should be broken down to regions like 10 regions each with 29 constituencies.

In the face of this massive Jubilee advantage, supporters should celebrate, not be so hot and bothered.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If a compromised Cons RO want to rig (and they have done it every election -- see how many elections have been annulled) they can.
They are in FULL charge of The Const Tallying Center.
They have armed police men - a battalion of them - to kick out anybody -agent/observer/media/public  -anytime for any reason.
Their decision regarding any figure is now final.Previously they would have to go and sweat it out with Chebukati in Nairobi.
And there is nothing you can do - unless you want to get copper from the cops.

Assuming I am the RO. If I want to steal say for Jubilee - all I need is security forces to kick out quarrelsome NASA agents/observer/media who will protest - and leave other agents to sign or be present - Abduba Dida agent is enough.There is no law that say NASA agent has to sign off .After I am through with cooking I can then send an SMS (okay form 34) to Chebukait with my final figures.

And to make it water-tight - because I am in charge of the warehouse to store ballot boxes in case of a dispute - I can open and make sure figures tally.

Now ask yourself
1) Who can bribe most of ROS...I mean NASA may offer 1m but Jubilee can pretty much gives them 100m for extra 5,000 votes. That is just about 2.9B shs.
2) Who deploy security forces to IEBC.? - if pro-NASA RO want to steal for NASA - all you need is security team that instead of controlling people - let more people come in - creating chaos for ROs.
3) Who has NSIS to do the intelligence?

NASA are probably hoping for sympathetic ROS from their tribe - but in face of money and security apparatus -- they just handed Uhuru another term and made it nearly impossible to now dispose a sitting GOK.

Campaigns are now secondary - all the resources are now focused on this ROS - GoK will dig out everything they can on find them. UhuRu already have 43-44% from GEMA+Kalenjin. They just need 1.5m votes from rest of the country - If 100 ROS can top up 10,000 votes by adding few zeros here and there Waiguru style - then Uhuru doesn't need to campaign.

We just have to trust them.  They are actually not being asked to do something they don't already do.  Is there a risk they can abuse it?  Yes.  There is always such a risk, regardless of the arrangement.  Yet, the elections for MCA, MP, Senator, Representatives etc mostly go on without a hitch.

If you consider these possibilities a problem, at least you should acknowledge that they have always existed.  The ruling has not made it suddenly possible to intimidate and bribe ROs.  That has always been a constant factor.  They could still be done even before this ruling.  How would Chebukati go about fixing it?

[RV Pundit]

Done deal. We now must trust them. Chebukati with his verification & re-tallying I believed could have caught a lot of errors. But now IEBC has accepted court ruling and therefore let see how this works out come 9th August.

We just have to trust them.  They are actually not being asked to do something they don't already do.  Is there a risk they can abuse it?  Yes.  There is always such a risk, regardless of the arrangement.  Yet, the elections for MCA, MP, Senator, Representatives etc mostly go on without a hitch.

If you consider these possibilities a problem, at least you should acknowledge that they have always existed.  The ruling has not made it suddenly possible to intimidate and bribe ROs.  That has always been a constant factor.  They could still be done even before this ruling.  How would Chebukati go about fixing it?

[Kichwa]

You keep on talking about "verification and re-tallying" but you fail to give a specific real life example of how it is done and why it can only be done in Nairobi.  The 290 RO's are also relying on the numbers they get from the 41,000 polling station RO's.  Its not like they can just put up any numbers as they go along. Decentralization is a very good thing. Just look at how multi-party, CDF and Devolution changed Kenya very quickly.   This is a very positive development and no amount of gloom and doom is going to rain on our parade.

Done deal. We now must trust them. Chebukati with his verification & re-tallying I believed could have caught a lot of errors. But now IEBC has accepted court ruling and therefore let see how this works out come 9th August.

We just have to trust them.  They are actually not being asked to do something they don't already do.  Is there a risk they can abuse it?  Yes.  There is always such a risk, regardless of the arrangement.  Yet, the elections for MCA, MP, Senator, Representatives etc mostly go on without a hitch.

If you consider these possibilities a problem, at least you should acknowledge that they have always existed.  The ruling has not made it suddenly possible to intimidate and bribe ROs.  That has always been a constant factor.  They could still be done even before this ruling.  How would Chebukati go about fixing it?

[RV Pundit]

I am okay with it if SCOK can remedy this through a recount rather than re-election. I know ROs will declare results with errors - either deliberately or not - but I hope SCOK can recommend a recount - without declaring entire election null and void - and of course hope nobody burn the warehouse were ballots are stored - to hide the evidence - where that happens -SCOK can recommend a repeat in those places only.

But if the remedy is to declare entire election null & void - then I am not okay with it.

You keep on talking about "verification and re-tallying" but you fail to give a specific real life example of how it is done and why it can only be done in Nairobi.  The 290 RO's are also relying on the numbers they get from the 41,000 polling station RO's.  Its not like they can just put up any numbers as they go along. Decentralization is a very good thing. Just look at how multi-party, CDF and Devolution changed Kenya very quickly.   This is a very positive development and no amount of cold water is going to change that.

[Nefertiti]

What puzzles me is that ROs can make all kinds of dyslexic, mathematical, grammatical, etc errors, and submit faulty results due to mischief and fatigue from 2day elections, but Chebukati - who has been in meetings, press conferences, tribunals, court hearings, etc for months - seating at Bomas - will sanitize the errors, miscalculations and sabotage flawlessly and save the country from anxiety, chaos and economic losses. Is he superhuman?

[Kadame5]

What puzzles me is that ROs can make all kinds of dyslexic, mathematical, grammatical, etc errors, and submit faulty results due to mischief and fatigue from 2day elections, but Chebukati - who has been in meetings, press conferences, tribunals, court hearings, etc for months - seating at Bomas - will sanitize the errors, miscalculations and sabotage flawlessly and save the country from anxiety, chaos and economic losses. Is he superhuman?

Bingo. This is the point we've been trying to make to Pundit all along but I don't think he gets it. It seems like he is saying either that Chebukati should be allowed to come up with some fake numbers to cover up the mischief for the sake of mere appearance or that he has a magical formula that can wipe away all those problems in Nairobi. Either one leaves me confused. If our elections are truly this ridiculous then let it be out in the open so that we as a people can find a system that works rather than playing head in sand games by allowing one dude to fiddle with numbers until he can make it look reasonable.

[Kichwa]

Exactly, and kivuitu said he had no way of fixing all those deliberate errors made by the RO's, some of who disappeared and where never found.  This is why we want to put a spot light on them this time around.  The numbers do not lie and we will know if numbers are cooked or not.  There are a lot of people watching these numbers closely.   All the candidates vying for the six seats will have at least one representative at each and every polling station. Even in Ouru damu strongholds all these representatives will not be jubilee.  So,  tell me how all  ouruto stronghold RO's will be able to make these outrageous doctoring of presidential polls yet make sure that the votes for the other candidates is done accurately.  I am not saying that it is impossible but it is much easier to do it in Bomas than in 41,000 polling stations or 290 constituency poll satiations.

What puzzles me is that ROs can make all kinds of dyslexic, mathematical, grammatical, etc errors, and submit faulty results due to mischief and fatigue from 2day elections, but Chebukati - who has been in meetings, press conferences, tribunals, court hearings, etc for months - seating at Bomas - will sanitize the errors, miscalculations and sabotage flawlessly and save the country from anxiety, chaos and economic losses. Is he superhuman?

Bingo. This is the point we've been trying to make to Pundit all along but I don't think he gets it. It seems like he is saying either that Chebukati should be allowed to come up with some fake numbers to cover up the mischief for the sake of mere appearance or that he has a magical formula that can wipe away all those problems in Nairobi. Either one leaves me confused. If our elections are truly this ridiculous then let it be out in the open so that we as a people can find a system that works rather than playing head in sand games by allowing one dude to fiddle with numbers until he can make it look reasonable.

[RV Pundit]

Why not familiarize with the national tallying center and hundreds of staff IEBC deploys there. Chebukati is the figure head. The national tallying center has a lot of IEBC clerical staff to methodologically and thoroughly go through all the results - and raise queries when they find one. All that is documented - because correction are made on another form and signed by agents. All that is now gone.

The supreme court will now have to hire staff to audit & scrutunize all the ROs work in the inevitable lodging of petition to them...and deliver the judgement within 28 days. And of course that may well mean annulling the election because there is no rectification.

Chebukati now has easy job - that is probably why he is not appealing - in case of any problem - he'll just parade the RO - hopefully they don't go missing or dead after rigging.

What puzzles me is that ROs can make all kinds of dyslexic, mathematical, grammatical, etc errors, and submit faulty results due to mischief and fatigue from 2day elections, but Chebukati - who has been in meetings, press conferences, tribunals, court hearings, etc for months - seating at Bomas - will sanitize the errors, miscalculations and sabotage flawlessly and save the country from anxiety, chaos and economic losses. Is he superhuman?

[Omollo]

[RV Pundit]

IEBC national tallying center clerks are also IEBC staff. IEBC knows best how to structure their org. I'd give them leeway. They know the capacity of the ROs. They know why they need an extra layer of verification & scrutiny - because there is no way they can vouch for 290 ROs.  The more contols the better. But you want to trust those 290s guys - let us put the country fate in their hands and see how that goes in August.

[Kadame5]

Why not familiarize with the national tallying center and hundreds of staff IEBC deploys there. Chebukati is the figure head. The national tallying center has a lot of IEBC clerical staff to methodologically and thoroughly go through all the results - and raise queries when they find one. All that is documented - because correction are made on another form and signed by agents. All that is now gone.

The supreme court will now have to hire staff to audit & scrutunize all the ROs work in the inevitable lodging of petition to them...and deliver the judgement within 28 days. And of course that may well mean annulling the election because there is no rectification.

Chebukati now has easy job - that is probably why he is not appealing - in case of any problem - he'll just parade the RO - hopefully they don't go missing or dead after rigging.

What puzzles me is that ROs can make all kinds of dyslexic, mathematical, grammatical, etc errors, and submit faulty results due to mischief and fatigue from 2day elections, but Chebukati - who has been in meetings, press conferences, tribunals, court hearings, etc for months - seating at Bomas - will sanitize the errors, miscalculations and sabotage flawlessly and save the country from anxiety, chaos and economic losses. Is he superhuman?

Why can't these same mechanisms be replicated in 290 tallying centers? What stops Chebukati from providing ROs these same resources at the constituencies? Besides, if polling station results are announced as soon as they have been counted before all agents, it will not be that hard to catch a thieving RO. Pundit, listen, it is good that these shenanigans are brought to the fore front. There is no reason why our people should be lied to that we have credible elections when all we have is a race of world's best rigger. No region should be able to top up fake numbers, not even the deepest strongholds. Remember 2010? That was not the constitution we voted for. If we need to fight for people messing with electronic transmission to go to jail, then let us know that that is the fight on our hands. In fact, let us get electronic voting if that is what it will take. The bottom line is if we have sham elections there is no reason to hide it in Bomas. Let it be clear that that is what we have. Then let us fight to fix it, come what may.

[Globalcitizen12]

Pundit has vested interested. He was in the group that hacked systems in 2013. He worked corroborated and provided technical knowledge to his network to hack the systems.. Elections in Kenya have never been credible. 2007 was the year that every camp out did itself with rigging. Kalenjins were outsmarted by Kikuyus in KICC. Kibaki people were fast and reckless. Uhuru will rig with iron fist. It is going to be a bloody August in Kenya. my hope we can keep deaths under 500. I have chattered my family out for vacation. THey will only return if it is safe