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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2017, 03:02:36 AM »
Pundit, relax and read the opinion.  All those issues were addressed in the arguments before the court. Election fraud is a very serious crime and in the unlikely event that the scenario you just described occurs, I'd rather it be handled by court instead of chabukati behind closed doors at  Bomas of Kenya. I say unlikely because Nasa will also have its agents at the polls to sign-off.

Jubilee are okay with either case - so let concentrate on IEBC.

So assume in my polling station at Kapsengere primary school - the presiding officers count votes -  700 registered votes - he goes ahead to assign .Uhuru 700, Raila 0  - and sign off Form 34 while in reality the papers ballot in the box shows Uhuru got 600 and Raila 100 - what happens. In another polling station - they might even declare 7000 instead of 700.

IEBC just become convey belt of that bad input - all the way?

The current procedure - is Form 34 from presiding officer - triplicate - at RO level - it's counted again & Form 36 is filled - at national tallying center - it checked again & another form filled.

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The IEBC and Jubilee create their own propaganda and start screaming for no reason.

The ROs are IEBC staff appointed by the same IEBC to conduct elections at the constituency level. The court has found it hard to believe that they are dishonest and not trustworthy.

The vote is counted at the polling station. That is what matters. The rest is dealing with papers. Beyond the polling station there can be no basis to amend, alter, change, verify the count. The ROs can verify etc the forms given to them without altering a number and the same to the IEBC in Nairobi. This is just common sense. Any attempt to give one person power to alter results in our corrupt country has very predictable results.
 
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2017, 03:19:08 AM »
I am struggling mightily to rule out that Chebukati is not averse to appointing himself returning officer for each of the 290 constituencies.  That he won't turn his current ROs to be messengers.  Whatever would stop him I am sure it has nothing to do with moral rectitude.
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2017, 04:00:49 AM »
This Wafula Chebukati - is he really ODM life member or is that Pundit's spin?

I am struggling mightily to rule out that Chebukati is not averse to appointing himself returning officer for each of the 290 constituencies.  That he won't turn his current ROs to be messengers.  Whatever would stop him I am sure it has nothing to do with moral rectitude.
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2017, 04:30:54 AM »
This Wafula Chebukati - is he really ODM life member or is that Pundit's spin?

I am struggling mightily to rule out that Chebukati is not averse to appointing himself returning officer for each of the 290 constituencies.  That he won't turn his current ROs to be messengers.  Whatever would stop him I am sure it has nothing to do with moral rectitude.

I don't know his history.  Pundit uses tribe to make judgments of everybody.  It doesn't work like that with government operatives though.
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2017, 10:14:21 AM »
William Ruto is life member number 3 of ODM.

This Wafula Chebukati - is he really ODM life member or is that Pundit's spin?
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2017, 10:34:13 AM »
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Pundit is taunting NASA. Ruto met Chebukati and the Maa guy to size them up. He then decided to go with Chebukati. Nobody knows what deal they made.

The information we have is that Ruto talks to Chebukati daily and Chebukati is grateful to Ruto. Uhuru's "man" in the IEBC is Consolata Nkanatha Butcher Maina - who is the real power in the iEBC.

Pundit is is taunting NASA because they believe Raila appointed Hassan and then Hassan turned against him; Now they say Chebukati is an ODM member (something Pundit knows cannot be true for an IEBC commissioner / Chair) and yet he is working against NASA. It is a childish taunt that he enjoys.

When done with that he claims that Oswago came from Siaya and was put in place to steal the elections for Raila.

No sooner is he done with that than he returns to call me a rumor monger, propagandist etc!
 
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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2017, 11:17:12 AM »
He was until he applied for IEBC job. He contested for MP seat in 2007 - in ODM - and lost - but remain an ODM life member since then. Chebukaiti is hapless fellow - CEO ran IEBC secretariat - ROs have always been the guys who rig election - and now they have  unfettered powers to do so.

Chebukait is figure head who will take the blame from all bitter loses come 2017 - fom MCA to PORK(Raila).

This Wafula Chebukati - is he really ODM life member or is that Pundit's spin?

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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2017, 11:22:23 AM »
National Tallying Center is not closed door. It most observed and monitored tallying center. I don't know how you guys plan to monitor polling station in insecure 2/3 of kenya....from Kitale to turkana.. from Meru to Moyale...from mwingi to mandera...from malindi to lamu...that is where GoK will basically have a field day. Uhuru is already assured of 43-44% of vote from GEMA+Kalenjin - he just need 1.5m votes from rest of the country - his rigging plan is not easy - nobody in Nairobi will notice anything a miss - just budget unga 5B for ROs...each RO get 100M & security to kick out NASA agents - declare final results. You go to SCOK and chebukati says summon all the 290s and ask them questions.
Pundit, relax and read the opinion.  All those issues were addressed in the arguments before the court. Election fraud is a very serious crime and in the unlikely event that the scenario you just described occurs, I'd rather it be handled by court instead of chabukati behind closed doors at  Bomas of Kenya. I say unlikely because Nasa will also have its agents at the polls to sign-off.

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Re: IEBC versus NASA - Presidential tallying - who is the final
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2017, 01:59:13 PM »
Uhuruto do not need to rig anything, you do them a disservice. You tell us Ruto is a force of nature then he needs to rig?? This is for posterity not just 2017. In any case the rigging opportunity in 2/3 insecure Kenya already existed. This just eliminates the extra layer of mischief at Bomas.

National Tallying Center is not closed door. It most observed and monitored tallying center. I don't know how you guys plan to monitor polling station in insecure 2/3 of kenya....from Kitale to turkana.. from Meru to Moyale...from mwingi to mandera...from malindi to lamu...that is where GoK will basically have a field day. Uhuru is already assured of 43-44% of vote from GEMA+Kalenjin - he just need 1.5m votes from rest of the country - his rigging plan is not easy - nobody in Nairobi will notice anything a miss - just budget unga 5B for ROs...each RO get 100M & security to kick out NASA agents - declare final results. You go to SCOK and chebukati says summon all the 290s and ask them questions.
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