What Jesus said about hell

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What Jesus Said About Hell
Jesus used two Greek terms, hades and gehenna , to
speak about death and the punishment of the unrighteous.
Given the popular belief in the meaning "hell," we need to
consider it carefully.
Hades is equivalent to the Hebrew , the most
common Old Testament term for the realm of the dead.
These names simply represent the grave or the place to
which all descend at death, with no connotation of
punishment or reward. There is one text, however, where
hades gehenna , from the Hebrew name , "Valley of
Hinnom." According to the Old Testament, in this gorge
south of Jerusalem, kings Ahaz and Manasseh conducted
the horrendous pagan rite of burning children to Molech (2
Chron. 28:3 , 33:6 ) . Later, godly king Josiah brought the
practice to a halt (2 Kings 23:10 ). Because of the sins
perpetrated in it, Jeremiah prophesied that God would
make the place a "valley of slaughter" (Jer. 7:32-33 ; 19:6 ).
Hence, for the Jews, the valley became a symbol of the
last judgment and the punishment of the impenitent. Jesus
used the name figuratively, without explaining any details
regarding the time and place of the punishment, which we
find in other biblical passages. Hell, though, is not a place
of eternal punishment.

[Kababe]

So what do you believe happens after death? What state/place is the soul in between death and resurrection (of the dead)?

[GeeMail]

The Resurrection and the Judgment
What we have studied so far could lead us to think that
the resurrection will be for only a few. But Jesus affirmed
that a time will come when "all

[vooke]

dAILYbREAD,
Could you be kind enough to point out ANY parable of Christ that is remotely unrealistic in the imagery it uses be it coins,Labourers,stewards,sower and so forth?

To claim that Jesus uses a 'heretical' image of souls fully conscious past death to communicate a truth is theological circus.

Besides, let's test your theory of souls sleeping in the grave. Methuselah is dead perhaps destroyed by the Flood. His memory can't exist outside him so it perishes as well. Only God knows what deeds Methuselah did. At resurrection, say in 2044AD, some 5000 years after his death,God resurrects him. Actually, he RECREATES him seeing NOTHING exists of this man except bones and even those are most likely gone. Fossilization is very rare; most bones suffer decay. This recreated thing is NOT Methuselah. It has a fresh brain,body. God proceeds to sentence this 'fresh' Methuselah to eternal damnation. What did it do? God called it the Methuselah that perished 5000 years ago! That aside, the freshly recreated Methuselah must be loaded with the original Methuselah memory,otherwise the judgement is a farce.

This is what soul-sleep theology boils down to; a God who punishes creatures for sins that they never did, and rewards others for righteousness or good deeds they never did. What's the point of judgement anyway? Why can't God recreate me before I die and judge the cloned me in advance?

Now, contrast that with angels who once they sinned say 6000 years ago are the same creatures who will be punished in 2044AD

[vooke]

And something else dAILY bREAD,
Please quote the source of your messages. We was almost shut out of .com over copyright spats

Here's your source
http://Http://ssnet.org/lessons/14c/less12.html
http://Http://stalbans.adventistchurch.org.uk/sabbath-school

[Omollo]

If you are convinced or have the evidence of copy right infringement then delete the thing. You are a Mod, are you not?

[GeeMail]

And something else dAILY bREAD,
Please quote the source of your messages. We was almost shut out of .com over copyright spats

Here's your source
http://Http://ssnet.org/lessons/14c/less12.html
http://Http://stalbans.adventistchurch.org.uk/sabbath-school

Thanks for the advice. I can tell you for free that Sabbath School.net allows free sharing of its messages. However, acknowledgment of source is essential. Are you Adventist?

[vooke]

Am a Christian, no idea who/ what Adventists are, but I can guess; they worship Ellen G. White

And something else dAILY bREAD,
Please quote the source of your messages. We was almost shut out of .com over copyright spats

Here's your source
http://Http://ssnet.org/lessons/14c/less12.html
http://Http://stalbans.adventistchurch.org.uk/sabbath-school

Thanks for the advice. I can tell you for free that Sabbath School.net allows free sharing of its messages. However, acknowledgment of source is essential. Are you Adventist?

[Kababe]

Am a Christian, no idea who/ what Adventists are, but I can guess; they worship Ellen G. White

And something else dAILY bREAD,
Please quote the source of your messages. We was almost shut out of .com over copyright spats

Here's your source
http://Http://ssnet.org/lessons/14c/less12.html
http://Http://stalbans.adventistchurch.org.uk/sabbath-school

Thanks for the advice. I can tell you for free that Sabbath School.net allows free sharing of its messages. However, acknowledgment of source is essential. Are you Adventist?

No they don't. Stop slander. They believe she had visions from God aka a prophetess. They worship the Triune God and the incarnate Word.

[vooke]

I was guessing and I said as much.

SO we have the apostles, the last one dying around 100 AD. Then there is a spiritual blackout lasting 1700 years UNTIL a woman called Ellen Gould White is born to 'restore' the church to 'true worship' aka sabbath keeping.

No they don't. Stop slander. They believe she had visions from God aka a prophetess. They worship the Triune God and the incarnate Word.

[GeeMail]

Vooke thanks for response. I am Adventist, meaning I wait for the Lord Jesus Christ's soon return. Anybody who is looking forward to this, also called the Second Advent, is an Adventist even if they are not Sabbath-keepers. Bible lessons are not based on guesswork. If you want to learn more about the Sabbath, I invite you to a series of seven lessons that I will be posting soon.

[vooke]

Do you have Christians who are not waiting for Christ's soon return?
I noticve you conveniently ignored my questions from the Lazarus parable above. How would we nourish each other if your copied sermons by MEN can't be questioned by MEN?

Vooke thanks for response. I am Adventist, meaning I wait for the Lord Jesus Christ's soon return. Anybody who is looking forward to this, also called the Second Advent, is an Adventist even if they are not Sabbath-keepers. Bible lessons are not based on guesswork. If you want to learn more about the Sabbath, I invite you to a series of seven lessons that I will be posting soon.

[GeeMail]

thanks once again for your response. Do not marvel that there are Christians who are not waiting for Christ to return. In Kenya pastors are arming themselves with guns as if they are permanent and pensionable residents on earth. Some think Christ will return "like a thief in the night" and find them not ready. Some Christians think Christ has returned already, and some Christians are calling themselves Christ.

I did not ignore your questions on Lazarus. I don't want to court religious controversy. I have posted on Lazarus on a different page. The copied sermons explain themselves very well.

[vooke]

 dAILY bREAD,
If the copied sermons answered my questions, I would not be aksing.
You know they don't,but you are not even the author of the sermons so technically you are not answerable for whatever the sermons are saying or not saying

Shouldn't you follow Peter's admonition

1 Peter 3:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

And like Paul, explain your faith?


Acts 17:18-19 King James Version (KJV)

18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?

or would you rather he had avoided 'religious controversies'?

thanks once again for your response. Do not marvel that there are Christians who are not waiting for Christ to return. In Kenya pastors are arming themselves with guns as if they are permanent and pensionable residents on earth. Some think Christ will return "like a thief in the night" and find them not ready. Some Christians think Christ has returned already, and some Christians are calling themselves Christ.

I did not ignore your questions on Lazarus. I don't want to court religious controversy. I have posted on Lazarus on a different page. The copied sermons explain themselves very well.

[GeeMail]

I do not want to be drawn into controversy. The message I posted is well explained from the Bible and I have no problems with it. It explains what Jesus said about hell and I am convinced that it is the true position. I believe if Peter had read it he would have no problems with it.

[vooke]

Did Jesus in the parable imply consciousness past death in any way from that parable?

I do not want to be drawn into controversy. The message I posted is well explained from the Bible and I have no problems with it. It explains what Jesus said about hell and I am convinced that it is the true position. I believe if Peter had read it he would have no problems with it.

[GeeMail]

I do not see the implication about consciousness after death. Even if such an implication existed, the lesson Jesus is teaching is on hell and judgment.

[vooke]

So what part of the rich man was in hell and what part of Lazarus was at Abraham's bosom? They both clearly were dead abd the richman felt a resurrection miracle could convince his living brothers

I do not see the implication about consciousness after death. Even if such an implication existed, the lesson Jesus is teaching is on hell and judgment.

[bittertruth]

That makes me revisit the big Question "Is SDA a Cult?"

[vooke]

Nobody will admit nothing

That makes me revisit the big Question "Is SDA a Cult?"