Uhuru Will Not Surrender Power Even If He Loses Elections

[Omollo]

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He is arming himself. He is deploying loyal policemen to strategic areas and opposition strongholds. And he is prepared to face and beat demonstrations.

I understand some of the killer monsters are from General Motors (I doubt it and think it's fudging by The Ethnic Rag to cover their Chinese origin):

General Motors East Africa, which will be responsible for servicing and maintaining them.

[RV Pundit]

They don't look like demonstration vehicles destine for Kisumu- I am thinking they are heading to northern kenya - and places like transmara, pokot and marakwet - where they are needed. It time we armed our police so we don't break the law by having KDF battle civilians.

Way forward to tame the wild north.

[Omollo]

This is what we were told before the monsters landed in Kisumu: here is how The Standard reported it:

Security has beefed up in parts of Nyanza with two giant anti-riot water canons on standby as police prepare for demonstrations after a push for dialogue on electoral reforms collapsed.

The water cannons, driven into Kisumu city under the cover of darkness last week, are likely to be used to keep protesters away from the officers of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC).

Kisumu residents got a rare glimpse of the imposing behemoths when they were driven along Dunga Road and some got to see them being filled with water at Lake Victoria.

Sources said the government purchased 10 such machines from China this year to help in crowd controlhttps://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000204090/water-cannons-deployed-to-kisumu-as-police-brace-for-demonstrations

The Opposition should be prepared and must research to find out how to disable or seize those things. Turkish civilians devised methods of disabling them or even seizing them.

They don't look like demonstration vehicles destine for Kisumu- I am thinking they are heading to northern kenya - and places like transmara, pokot and marakwet - where they are needed. It time we armed our police so we don't break the law by having KDF battle civilians.

Way forward to tame the wild north.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If this is not the usual PR, then these will find their way to Kisumu and Kibera.

[Kichwa]

Opposition should not be intimidated or deterred.  First, offer hope to the country not just by listing the problems but also telling the people that they can resolve the problems and their vision of the country.  Win the elections and then we can deal with Ouru's refusal to leave office once he is defeated. 

[Omollo]

The Opposition should start making preparations on how to counter these tools of oppression. They should start openly training people on how to disable water cannons, and APCs.

Waiting until you are well beaten to scream is not the strategy I would support for 2017

Opposition should not be intimidated or deterred.  First, offer hope to the country not just by listing the problems but also telling the people that they can resolve the problems and their vision of the country.  Win the elections and then we can deal with Ouru's refusal to leave office once he is defeated. 

[RV Pundit]

Why do they need training and that would be illegal anyway. In 2007 in our place people were innovating as they went by - so much - ICC and some fools though it was pre-planned. For instance people simply parking long transit trucks on Kisumu roads - will stop the cops from reaching say Kondele - and maiming people. Felling huge trees, digging out tarmac, bringing down bridges, bringing huge bolders to block roads.....you don't need to be trained or armed..you have to do it yourself. But Luos simply never want to think - they just come armed with stones - and police fill Kisumu morgues in a day - so predictable. It was so bad in 2007 - people in my place were doing pro-bono work to stop reinforcement reaching Kisumu by digging out huge trenches and felling trees on roads leading to Kisumu.In kericho - I saw people blow up transformers - and all sorts of home-made bombs - that sparked huge explosion.

Asking Raila to arm you is treason. This is so hopeless I don't even know how CORD will resist Jubilee win - whether rigged or not. You simply don't have what it takes to bring gov to it's knees - thank goodness for Kalenjin stepping up in 2007. In Kapsoit people stormed the police station and killed the cop who was shooting people - took all the 12 guns in the armoury. There are many cops including I think two DOS who were killed in revenge attacks in Kalenjin for engaging in extra-judicial killing - even hapo mogogosiek - people burnt a cop together with DO office.

Read here - In South rift in one day!

Thirty Government offices, a newspaper van and police houses were set ablaze as post-election violence escalated in the South Rift.Provincial administrators and senior Government officers were targeted in new attacks in Bomet, Bureti, Kericho, Sotik and Kipkelion districts.Rioting groups torched the Konoin DO's office at Mogogosiek ... At least 30 offices belonging to chiefs and their assistants had been burnt in the ...

The Opposition should start making preparations on how to counter these tools of oppression. They should start openly training people on how to disable water cannons, and APCs.

Waiting until you are well beaten to scream is not the strategy I would support for 2017

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

In 2007 wasn't the bulk of the killer cops already prepositioned in Kisumu? Felling trees in RV... not sure how it would have helped.  In any case I am sure Luos can figure stuff like that out.  Kisumu and Nairobi had the lion's share of state armed killers.

[Omollo]

Pundit

Thanks for the advice. I understand you are not really helping us against Jubilee but that is your sense of moral and civic duty. I disagree that civil resistance is a crime.

For many years I was a member of the civil resistance in a European country. All Western European countries actively set up such units to defend civilians and empower them to offer resistance - even armed resistance - in event of an enemy invading and occupying the country. The enemy at the time was Communist.

Uganda has invaded and occupied Migingo Islands. It could do the same to Busia, Bungoma, Siaya etc. We have Tanzania touching Migori, RV and Western (through Lake Victoria). So what is illegal about that. The party shall not be forming a militia.

Not all people openly state what they did in 2007. I have over the years been researching what transpired in different places and know that there were gallant efforts all over the country. My adoptive home of Pwani played a major role that has gone unsung. The Kibaki government wanted to create the impression that Pwani was not in it.

Which is why if you look at Shelly Beach area - all grabbed land has been surrendered and the thieves have fled. Those who didn't sell have lost it.

Why do they need training and that would be illegal anyway. In 2007 in our place people were innovating as they went by - so much - ICC and some fools though it was pre-planned. For instance people simply parking long transit trucks on Kisumu roads - will stop the cops from reaching say Kondele - and maiming people. Felling huge trees, digging out tarmac, bringing down bridges, bringing huge bolders to block roads.....you don't need to be trained or armed..you have to do it yourself. But Luos simply never want to think - they just come armed with stones - and police fill Kisumu morgues in a day - so predictable. It was so bad in 2007 - people in my place were doing pro-bono work to stop reinforcement reaching Kisumu by digging out huge trenches and felling trees on roads leading to Kisumu.In kericho - I saw people blow up transformers - and all sorts of home-made bombs - that sparked huge explosion.

Asking Raila to arm you is treason. This is so hopeless I don't even know how CORD will resist Jubilee win - whether rigged or not. You simply don't have what it takes to bring gov to it's knees - thank goodness for Kalenjin stepping up in 2007. In Kapsoit people stormed the police station and killed the cop who was shooting people - took all the 12 guns in the armoury. There are many cops including I think two DOS who were killed in revenge attacks in Kalenjin for engaging in extra-judicial killing - even hapo mogogosiek - people burnt a cop together with DO office.

Read here - In South rift in one day!

Thirty Government offices, a newspaper van and police houses were set ablaze as post-election violence escalated in the South Rift.Provincial administrators and senior Government officers were targeted in new attacks in Bomet, Bureti, Kericho, Sotik and Kipkelion districts.Rioting groups torched the Konoin DO's office at Mogogosiek ... At least 30 offices belonging to chiefs and their assistants had been burnt in the ...

The Opposition should start making preparations on how to counter these tools of oppression. They should start openly training people on how to disable water cannons, and APCs.

Waiting until you are well beaten to scream is not the strategy I would support for 2017

[RV Pundit]

They were but more were sent on the road and when that become difficult they were flown. Luo modus operandi since 1960 has not changed one bit. They demo, burn old tires and throw stones - cops respond with batons or rubber or live bullets. They keep coming until the morgues are full. In my place, day one, people came to demo with placards, then cops start shooting people, people went back to their homes and armed themselves - and came to fight. They realized cops were shooting to kill. Many cops were killed in RV. RV put lots of roadblocks on the road and that reduce the carnage in nyanza and western which were cops killing fields.

Why the Luos are yet to figure this..is beyond me.

In 2007 wasn't the bulk of the killer cops already prepositioned in Kisumu? Felling trees in RV... not sure how it would have helped.  In any case I am sure Luos can figure stuff like that out.  Kisumu and Nairobi had the lion's share of state armed killers.

[RV Pundit]

I agree. Peole have the moral and civic duty to self-defence against authority when it goes rogue. Most countries in Europe or America or Arab world do this regularly.

Pundit

Thanks for the advice. I understand you are not really helping us against Jubilee but that is your sense of moral and civic duty. I disagree that civil resistance is a crime.

For many years I was a member of the civil resistance in a European country. All Western European countries actively set up such units to defend civilians and empower them to offer resistance - even armed resistance - in event of an enemy invading and occupying the country. The enemy at the time was Communist.

Uganda has invaded and occupied Migingo Islands. It could do the same to Busia, Bungoma, Siaya etc. We have Tanzania touching Migori, RV and Western (through Lake Victoria). So what is illegal about that. The party shall not be forming a militia.

Not all people openly state what they did in 2007. I have over the years been researching what transpired in different places and know that there were gallant efforts all over the country. My adoptive home of Pwani played a major role that has gone unsung. The Kibaki government wanted to create the impression that Pwani was not in it.

Which is why if you look at Shelly Beach area - all grabbed land has been surrendered and the thieves have fled. Those who didn't sell have lost it.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

They were but more were sent on the road and when that become difficult they were flown. Luo modus operandi since 1960 has not changed one bit. They demo, burn old tires and throw stones - cops respond with batons or rubber or live bullets. They keep coming until the morgues are full. In my place, day one, people came to demo with placards, then cops start shooting people, people went back to their homes and armed themselves - and came to fight. They realized cops were shooting to kill. Many cops were killed in RV. RV put lots of roadblocks on the road and that reduce the carnage in nyanza and western which were cops killing fields.

Why the Luos are yet to figure this..is beyond me.

In 2007 wasn't the bulk of the killer cops already prepositioned in Kisumu? Felling trees in RV... not sure how it would have helped.  In any case I am sure Luos can figure stuff like that out.  Kisumu and Nairobi had the lion's share of state armed killers.

This idea that Luos can't do roadblocks and the likes ... it sounds almost racist.  Just the whole idea of underestimating a group of people's intelligence in general really.  Especially when you consider one of the lasting images one gets from riots in Kisumu are the roadblocks they set up.

[Omollo]

Pundit and Termie

There has been advances made in Civil Resistance over the years and in all countries especially where the police tend to be heavy handed. Once the police shoot to kill people and win the first round the next round is never a walk over.

Grace Kaindi did fill up morgues in Kisumu the first few days but she soon had her hands full with IDPs in her stations and the police stretched thin. Remember the Police to citizen ratio in Kenya and take note that injured and dead police cannot be redeployed.

My estimation of what happened in Kenya in 07-08 remains that given another two weeks or if the Annan talks had failed, Civilians would have done what they do best - Destroy the Police. Burnt police stations cannot be repaired and fortified afresh. These are people with families and they often come from outside of the areas to which they are posted to work. They begin worrying about their families and you know the chaos there is in police housing. They kill with impunity because they are "foreigners" but then again the civilians attack them mercilessly because of the same reasons.

The difference between Kisumu and RV was that RVs were merciless and went out to kill: Luos simply wanted the foreigners (Police and Kibaki supporters)n out. Thus they would supervise a family pack and even assist them to get transport out of the area. There is some taboo about killings. Thus I have been asking to know the name of a single Kikuyu killed in Nyanza (outside Kisii) without any answers forthcoming.

This will change. That is because the planning of Uhuru is to kill the leaders unlike Michuki who opted for the ordinary demonstrators. That will change things rather sharply.

I hope they will have a re-think as they plan the genocide.

The police in Kenya is a divided force. Tribalism runs through and through. The idea that your people would be killed and you take part in it is not feasible. I know two women police officers who were over enthusiastic killers. One was killed by local policemen in Nyakach and another in Vihiga. frankly I did not see how the police as a unit could remain intact had that gone on for two more weeks.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit and Termie

There has been advances made in Civil Resistance over the years and in all countries especially where the police tend to be heavy handed. Once the police shoot to kill people and win the first round the next round is never a walk over.

Grace Kaindi did fill up morgues in Kisumu the first few days but she soon had her hands full with IDPs in her stations and the police stretched thin. Remember the Police to citizen ratio in Kenya and take note that injured and dead police cannot be redeployed.

My estimation of what happened in Kenya in 07-08 remains that given another two weeks or if the Annan talks had failed, Civilians would have done what they do best - Destroy the Police. Burnt police stations cannot be repaired and fortified afresh. These are people with families and they often come from outside of the areas to which they are posted to work. They begin worrying about their families and you know the chaos there is in police housing. They kill with impunity because they are "foreigners" but then again the civilians attack them mercilessly because of the same reasons.

The difference between Kisumu and RV was that RVs were merciless and went out to kill: Luos simply wanted the foreigners (Police and Kibaki supporters)n out. Thus they would supervise a family pack and even assist them to get transport out of the area. There is some taboo about killings. Thus I have been asking to know the name of a single Kikuyu killed in Nyanza (outside Kisii) without any answers forthcoming.

This will change. That is because the planning of Uhuru is to kill the leaders unlike Michuki who opted for the ordinary demonstrators. That will change things rather sharply.

I hope they will have a re-think as they plan the genocide.

The police in Kenya is a divided force. Tribalism runs through and through. The idea that your people would be killed and you take part in it is not feasible. I know two women police officers who were over enthusiastic killers. One was killed by local policemen in Nyakach and another in Vihiga. frankly I did not see how the police as a unit could remain intact had that gone on for two more weeks.

There are definitely valid explanations for why Luos faced more police slaughter relative to RV.  To me the most obvious is because they were targeted for that - Kibaki assumed only Luos would protest; I don't think they anticipated any reaction from the Kalenjin.  In fact it appears RV was under-policed in addition to the different intentions of the residents, resulting in more civilian induced carnage.  Free reign for the warriors and zero protection for their targets.  As for your claims about taboos on life...Luos killed people in Nairobi.

The last thing any group wants to do in Kenya right now is to underestimate each other.  One wants to think that plenty of examples in the neighborhood should be enough,  Kenya doesn't need to go through the hard knocks itself.